Iran successfully sends living creature in to space, recovers it alive.

[jayhoon]

Congratulations!

 

[jayhoon]

Congratulations again

 

[jayhoon]

Congratulations one last time

 

[Anonymous_CryptoSpy]

Thank you Anonymous_CryptoSpy if what you say pertains to NK! If you are congratulating Iran, still thank you.

I have very little idea about NK minus their failed ballistic missile,

 

[jayhoon]

@jayhoon

[forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=32399.0]Simorgh IRILV Analysis - Soheil Esmaeel Zadeh[/url]

& base on western propaganda , Iran helped NK in Unha-3 launch (12.12.2012)

Thanks again Soheil,

I was unaware of your debate with the German guy. You seem to be a serious person/expert and a patriotic Iranian.

As to the extent of NK and Iranian connection, it is "the engines" that really matter. So let's wait and see.

Also, if a joint project with NK was cancelled as you said (how did you know it existed and was cancelled? I am wondering if you have information only Iranians have access to), why did the Iranians attend the test flights in North Korea in 2006, 2009, (and 2012?). This could be a rumor though.

Also, why would Iran help NK with Unha-3 as you claim if the joint project was cancelled? What do you gain in return? (In contrast, NK needs your oil money.)

Also, you argue that Iran is helping NK (under a non-joint development then?). However, although your postings may counterargue the German guy's analysis based on photos, they still don't prove that Iran helped NK with Unha-3. Why would Iran test its own rocket in North Korea first as you claim?

I did not join this forum to argue that NK has helped Iran. I did join because some people including you were saying Iran helped NK even though I can see NK is ahead of Iran.

According to South Korean media, North Korea may reveal another model of road mobile ICBM on July 27, i.e., this Saturday (in addition to the one NK showed in public last year). NK does not need Iran's assistance when it comes to rockets (and many other important areas that you may not know well). North Korea is currently clearly ahead of Iran. If you are a (well-informed) scientist or engineer, you should know.

My final words:

1. I will not "assert" NK helped Iran.

2. As to the joint projects between Iran and NK, I "believe", if I have to choose, that they existed.

3. If so, I would argue that NK was the supplier of technology to Iran, not vice versa.

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If you show me some concrete evidence, I will listen to you. (You still have not given me any evidence regarding your comment that NK Unha-3 relied on Iranian products to which I objected)

If not, this will be my last posting. Man be jahan-e man mi-ravam.

 

[jayhoon]

I have very little idea about NK minus their failed ballistic missile,

You don't have to know about NK but if you know something, know correctly if you don't want to embarrass yourself.

Unless I am ignorant, I would not say "I have very little idea about India minus their failed ballistic missile."

 

[Anonymous_CryptoSpy]

oh god,thnx god,NK. have super restricted internet......wat a troll... its won't worth a penny knowing about NK.
knowing about SK is worth 100 times then NK.wanna give me knowledge how great Nk is and this and that?
THANKS BUT NO THANKS!

You don't have to know about NK but if you know something, know correctly if you don't want to embarrass yourself.

Unless I am ignorant, I would not say "I have very little idea about India minus their failed ballistic missile."

 

[jayhoon]

oh god,thnx god,NK. have super restricted internet......wat a troll... its won't worth a penny knowing about NK.
knowing about SK is worth 100 times then NK.wanna give me knowledge how great Nk is and this and that?
THANKS BUT NO THANKS!

I never told you or asked you to know about NK. I just remarked that you should know correctly about something (even) if you don't know much about it so that you don't end up being both ignorant and stupid.


By the way, I am a great admirer of India. I admire your great rockets too.

 

[Anonymous_CryptoSpy]

well thnx... i think u r not "that" troller i was thinking.but I still hate how NK govt made the country internet black hole.btw m fan of SK movies. u from NK or SK?

I never told you or asked you to know about NK. I just remarked that you should know correctly about something (even) if you don't know much about it so that you don't end up being both ignorant and stupid.


By the way, I am a great admirer of India. I admire your great rockets too.

 

[SOHEIL]

@jayhoon

Iran & NK have good relation , Actually in rockets too !

but we are working on diffrent projects ... for example Sejjil is completely Iranian ...

never mind ... time will say ...

Congratulations to NK

please contact me : soheil_esy@yahoo.com

 

[jayhoon]

More information on why NK is advanced:

On December 14, 2012, 2 days after the launch, North Korea proudly announced that Unha-3 launch revealed North Korea's technical excellence because

1) "the successful launch took place in severe winter..." (the mountains surrounding the launch site were covered with snow. The temperature was minus 10 or something?)

2) "the second stage changed its course during its flight towards the South Pole to avoid flying close to other countries (Taiwan or Philippines?) ..."

ytn.co.kr/_ln/0101_201212141758295626 (in Korean)

According to North Korea, no space powers tried these in earlier stage of development. If you are an expert, you will know what NK is saying.

This level could not have been attained without previous successes or progresses.

(By this announcement, North Koreans are also trying to demonstrate that their ICBMs are reliable and that US Missile Defence system is useless)

A correction:

2) "the second stage changed its course during its flight towards the South Pole to avoid flying close to other countries (Taiwan or Philippines?) ..."

===> 2) "In order to drop our second stage of the rocket to safe areas far from other countries (probably Taiwan or Philippines) and shipping routes, our satellite had to circle around (?) making a bend using a guidance system, which experts all know is a very difficult technology ... no space powers began with such high level technology (winter launch and change of path) ..." (direct quotation)

 

[jayhoon]

@jayhoon

Iran & NK have good relation , Actually in rockets too !

but we are working on diffrent projects ... for example Sejjil is completely Iranian ...

never mind ... time will say ...

Congratulations to NK

please contact me :

I agree with you and believe will learn a lot from you if possible.

Merci dustam, man be shoma khaham-nevesht (ba'adan).

 

[jayhoon]

well thnx... i think u r not "that" troller i was thinking.but I still hate how NK govt made the country internet black hole.btw m fan of SK movies. u from NK or SK?

I am also a fan of Bollywood and Telegu movies, as well as a long admirer of past and present India.

NK believes "isolation" is better than "subjugation" (not than freedom). This may be wrong. But just as we should not judge India solely based on the Indian caste system, which I detest, for instance, we should also consider NK's other positive sides which are not very well known outside of both Koreas. I am not going to talk about them here in a Pakistani forum discussing a great Iranian achievement.

A lot of people in the West surprisingly don't know much about Iran. Many have only negative views of Iran (although true intellectuals or specialists in Iranian history and culture know far better and admire Iran). This is mainly because Iran has been an enemy of USA. Same for NK.

By the way, I am a Korean Canadian identifying with both Koreas. This will be hopefully my last posting.

 

[RangerPK]

Is it real or is it one of Iran's poorly done photoshops? All I see is a monkey with a rocket...and thats it... I doubt it can be verified as real or not...

 

[SOHEIL]

^^^

you are working like a propaganda machine ...

this is really bad you guys can't do the same because of your backwardness ...

It was the first step of Iran for sending the human into space, after some years, Iran will send human into space ...

but what about you ? what are you really doing ? you are still thinking about killing each other ( killing shias )

I feel pity for you ...