Iran successfully sends living creature in to space, recovers it alive.

[jayhoon]

By the way, congratulations Iran! I see the rebirth of the Persian Empire!

 

[jayhoon]

This is called ignorance then.How come we copy North Korea Nodong and send satellites to space, but NK itself which has the original design couldn't send it Until one month ago?

I don't mean to be rude or side with 500 but do know that NK succeeded in putting a satellite into orbit using Baekdusan rocket (known as Taepodong 1) for the first time in 1998. NK joined the Space club 10 years before Iran.

For the proof,

1. go to NASA website and search for "Worldwide Space Launches - 1998" and "download" the Excel file. Then check the tab named 1998 and look for August 29. Then you will know. (However, this information was recently deleted from the table itself. That is why you need to download the Excel file.)


2. "N. Korean launch has U.S., S. Korea worried":

"Sen. Craig Thomas, R-Wyo., offered another detail on the controversy, saying "NASA believes the launch placed a satellite - albeit apparently a nonfunctioning one - into orbit."

===> (add www to) deseretnews.com/article/651487/N-Korean-launch-has-US-S-Korea-worried.html?pg=all



3. "Russia Spots North Korean Satellite" (AFP) 1998
===> (add www to) fas.org/news/dprk/1998/980905-dprk-afp.htm

 

[jayhoon]

That is very true.

Iran was successfully launching satellites at a time when North Korea's satellite launches all failed.

Iran is also capable of launching animals into space and returning them unharmed, which only a handful of nations in the entire world can do.

Allow me to correct you Chinese-Dragon. I thought Chinese people would be better informed about its only serious ally in Asia.

NK succeeded in putting a satellite into orbit for the first time in 1998. NK joined the space club 10 years before Iran and 10 years after Israel. Check my previous postings.

The 2009 launch was not a failure "rocket wise" either (or even satellite wise). In 2012, NK put a satellite into "a sun synchronous orbit" at an altitude of 500 kilometers. I hope you know what this means.

Iran will probably or definitely benefit from the next generation NK rocket (post-Unha 3) to send a man into space by 2019, which is 6 years from now.

I say this because Iran should first develop Simorgh 1(?) rocket and then produce another more powerful rocket with a thrust of at least 300t in the next 5 years. China, India, Japan, and France all needed more time to develop powerful rockets after they first put small satellites into orbit using their 1st generation rockets. North Korea, for instance, took almost 10 years to develop their second rocket (120t) and, according to their plan, need 4 more years from now to produce their third rocket (300-400t) which will be used to put a communications satellite to GEO by 2016.

That is why Iran may need NK (or other foreign) assistance. I do know Iranians are very clever but Iranians are human beings too. If Iran achieves its goal in 2019 without foreign assistance, Iran not China is the candidate for the next superpower.

 

[SOHEIL]

@jayhoon

Simorgh IRILV Analysis - Soheil Esmaeel Zadeh

& base on western propaganda , Iran helped NK in Unha-3 launch (12.12.2012)

 

[SOHEIL]

NK succeeded in putting a satellite into the orbit using Baekdusan rocket (known as Taepodong 1) for the first time in 1998. NK joined the Space club 10 years before Iran.

The first launch of the Taepo-Dong 1 (now Paektusan) was made in August 1998, although this test used a three stage missile with an additional solid-propellant third stage added. The launch was made from the test facility near Musudan-ri and it is reported that the third stage flew for around 4,000 km. The launch site had a single open mesh square launch platform. Preparations were reported for a second launch in November 1998, but no further flights have been made.
North Korea described the launch in 1998 as a satellite launch vehicle test, stating that the third stage placed a small satellite into an elliptical orbit. US and other reports suggested that the satellite did not go into orbit as the third stage failed during motor burn.
North Korea reported the launch of its first satellite. This announcement was followed on September 14, 1998 by the release of a photograph of the satellite and the claim that the satellite had completed its 100th orbit of the earth. Video of the launch, the satellite, and an animation of the satellite in orbit around the earth were distributed to foreign news agencies the following weekend.
Despite these claims no foreign observer ever detected the satellite visually, by radar, or picked up its radio signals. What seems to have happened is that the third stage either failed and fell into the Pacific or misfired and put the satellite into a low orbit where it decayed very quickly before it could be detected by foreign observers.

Paektusan

 

[SOHEIL]

Iran will probably or definitely benefit from the next generation NK rocket to send a man into space.

Charles Vick made this claims based on my concepts !!!

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[SOHEIL]

A German expert (Norbert Brügge) also believes that Unha-1 may be Safir and that Simorgh is based on Unha-2.

===> b14643.de/Spacerockets_1/Diverse/Nodong_Safir/index.htm
b14643.de/Spacerockets_1/Diverse/Unha-2/index.htm
b14643.de/Spacerockets_1/Rest_World/Simorgh-IRILV/Description/Frame.htm
b14643.de/Spacerockets_1/Rest_World/Safir-1-IRILV/Description/Frame.htm

 

[kollang]

 

[jayhoon]

@jayhoon
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& base on western propaganda , Iran helped NK in Unha-3 launch (12.12.2012)

I will only say that speculations and factual information should be distinguished. I won't present conjectures here.

By the way, last year, in April, when North Korea invited foreign journalists to their launch site to prove that they were not testing an ICBM (Unha-3 rocket is too big to be used as an ICBM), a foreign journalist asked the director of the launch site, Mr. Chang, if Iran was helping NK with Unha-3-1. Do you know what Mr. Chang said?

"I am quite disappointed to hear that. We are more advanced than Iran." You can find this dialogue on Youtube too.

 

[Anonymous_CryptoSpy]

with the mammoth santions ,restrictions and isolation... this is no kids play,
may be little late but still its sucessfull!
Congratulations!!

 

[jayhoon]

I don't know what you are trying to prove with this but did you check all the relevant pages including the following page?

b14643.de/Spacerockets_1/Diverse/Nodong_Safir/index.htm

 

[jayhoon]

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Again, I don't know what you are trying to say. If you want to believe that Unha-3 (probably an improved version of the Unha-2 rocket that was successfully tested in 2009. Not talking about the satellite) is based on Simorgh, whose production is still incomplete, not vice versa, you may do so. I don't want to argue here.

Time will tell Inshallah.

 

[jayhoon]

with the mammoth santions ,restrictions and isolation... this is no kids play,
may be little late but still its sucessfull!
Congratulations!!

Thank you Anonymous_CryptoSpy if what you say pertains to NK! If you are congratulating Iran, still thank you.

 

[jayhoon]

Charles Vick made this claims based on my concepts !!!

Does this mean you agree with him? I don't know what you are trying to prove. But anyway, thanks.

Let me repeat what I wrote above.

Iran will or more likely should benefit from the next generation NK rocket (post-Unha 3) to send a man into space by 2019, which is 6 years from now.

I say this because Iran should first develop Simorgh 1(?) rocket and then produce another more powerful rocket with a thrust of at least 300t in the next 5 years. China, India, Japan, and France all needed more time to develop powerful rockets after they first put small satellites into orbit using their 1st generation rockets. North Korea, for instance, took almost 10 years to develop their second rocket (120t) and, according to their plan, need 4 more years from now to produce their third rocket (300-400t) which will be used to put a communications satellite to GEO by 2016.

That is why Iran may need NK (or other foreign) assistance. I do know Iranians are very clever but Iranians are human beings too. If Iran achieves its goal in 2019 without foreign assistance, Iran not China is the candidate for the next superpower.

 

[jayhoon]

The first launch of the Taepo-Dong 1 (now Paektusan) was made in August 1998, although this test used a three stage missile with an additional solid-propellant third stage added. The launch was made from the test facility near Musudan-ri and it is reported that the third stage flew for around 4,000 km. The launch site had a single open mesh square launch platform. Preparations were reported for a second launch in November 1998, but no further flights have been made.
North Korea described the launch in 1998 as a satellite launch vehicle test, stating that the third stage placed a small satellite into an elliptical orbit. US and other reports suggested that the satellite did not go into orbit as the third stage failed during motor burn.
North Korea reported the launch of its first satellite. This announcement was followed on September 14, 1998 by the release of a photograph of the satellite and the claim that the satellite had completed its 100th orbit of the earth. Video of the launch, the satellite, and an animation of the satellite in orbit around the earth were distributed to foreign news agencies the following weekend.
Despite these claims no foreign observer ever detected the satellite visually, by radar, or picked up its radio signals. What seems to have happened is that the third stage either failed and fell into the Pacific or misfired and put the satellite into a low orbit where it decayed very quickly before it could be detected by foreign observers.

[Paektusan[/url]

So you are simply going to ignore/close your eyes to the proofs that North Korea put a satellite into orbit in 1998 I presented and instead you quote the guy you don't trust so much?

It's not your fault if you have been misinformed until now. I provided you with new evidences now. You are acting like a sceptical American who distrusts Iran. As I mentioned earlier, you cannot succeed in placing a satellite into "a sun synchronous orbit" as NK did last year without being able to put a smaller, non-functioning (as senator Craig mentioned. That is probably why radio signals were not detected) satellite into low elliptical orbit. Do know that until the completion of Simorgh, Iran cannot attempt to send a satellite into the sun synchronous orbit.

The first NK satellite launch took place on August 31, 1998 (local time). However, US and Japan thought NK had tested a missile that flew over Japan. They did not even know that the satellite launch had taken place. US was humiliated when NK revealed this by Sep. 5. To save face, US dismissed North Korea's claim as a lie for about 2 weeks. US later had to acknowledge that a satellite launch had taken place after all. But the US government, unlike NASA or Russia, began saying that the satellite (the 3rd stage) had failed to reach the orbit. Then, world media just began repeating this.

In contrast, North Korea even showed this satellite to public when it passed across Pyongyang's night sky. Do you think NK is a shameless liar? You/Iranians suffer from US propaganda too, don't you? Then you should give credit to NK.

Anyways, North Korea's last year's successful launch of an observation satellite into the sun synchronous orbit would not have been possible if NK had not succeeded the far more easier 1998 satellite launch and the easier 2009 satellite launch (the later needs further proof though).


More information on why NK is advanced:

On December 14, 2012, 2 days after the launch, North Korea proudly announced that Unha-3 launch revealed North Korea's technical excellence because

1) the successful launch took place in severe winter. (the mountains surrounding the launch site were covered with snow. The temperature was minus 10 or something?)

2) the second stage changed its course during its flight towards the South Pole to avoid flying close to other countries (Taiwan or Philippines?)

ytn.co.kr/_ln/0101_201212141758295626 (in Korean)

According to North Korea, no space powers tried these in earlier stage of development. If you are an expert, you will know what NK is saying.

This level could not have been attained without previous successes or progresses.

(By this announcement, North Koreans are also trying to demonstrate that their ICBMs are reliable and that US Missile Defence system is useless)