Iran refused Indian Air Force aircraft to fly over its territory

[Jihad]

Strict, solid, and straightforward.
The way our leadership should be aswell.

 

[Goodperson]

Can you please provide a source of your statement or is it just that you think so ?

Editorial: India-Iran pact: new dangers for Pakistan

According to unconfirmed Indian reports, an accord signed between India and Iran on January 19 will allow New Delhi to use Iranian military bases in the event of a war with Pakistan. The agreement will also boost Indian armament exports to Iran and base Indian intelligence, security and military experts in Iran to train their Iranian counterparts. Appropriately, the “strategic alliance” came just days ahead of the January 26 visit to India of Iranian President Mohammad Khatami. What should Pakistan make of this?

One thing is clear: If Iran were to actually allow India use of its (Iran’s) military bases in the event of an India-Pakistan war, it would be considered a hostile act on the part of Tehran. That is perhaps why Pakistan’s Foreign Office has rubbished such reports, pointing out it is inconceivable that Iran would do anything of the sort. Apparently, when President Khatami visited Pakistan recently, he was at pains to establish good neighbourly relations with Pakistan and gave many assurances in this regard.

But one needs to go beyond the “if there is a war” scenario to discuss the implications of the budding new military cooperation agreement between India and Iran. The fact is that to all intents and purposes, India and Pakistan are already at “war”. Given the changing dynamics of conflict, as well as the nuclear capabilities on both sides, “war” (or more appropriately covert operations) is now being conducted at multiple levels, including at the sub-conventional level. This means that any Indian presence on Iranian military bases, even if it is for training the Iranians, would theoretically allow New Delhi a more subtle “operational” use of such facilities: early warning, intelligence gathering, and even, conceivably planning and monitoring terrorist attacks on Pakistan. That India has already set up such bases in Afghanistan is now an open secret. Therefore it would make sense for it to link its presence in Iran with similar “training bases” in Afghanistan to “encircle” Pakistan. An Indian military presence in Iran with or without strike capability would enable India in the event of war with Pakistan to create a “holding threat” along its western borders.

India has been making overtures to Iran for a few years now. Indeed, Indian leverage with Iran has steadily grown with the souring of ties between Pakistan and Iran. How have Pakistan and Iran come to this pass – Iran, from basing Pakistani aircraft in 1965 and 1971 to allowing India access to its bases with potentially hostile intent towards Pakistan? Ironically, this situation is the product of Pakistan’s policy to avoid a two-front situation. That policy, woven around Afghanistan, set Pakistan on the path of conflict with Iran. The situation was exacerbated not only by events inside Pakistan – sectarian conflict – but also because of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

Fortunately, though, Iran is unlikely to signal overt hostility towards Islamabad. There is a complex array of domestic factors that makes it very difficult to define Iran at this stage. The real Iran is still unfolding. This is why the US is having such difficulty in formulating a viable Iran policy. Also, Iranian support for the Shiite Lebanese Hezbollah militia and the PLO makes it the number one threat for Israel in the “outer circle”. But over the last three years, Israel has become the second largest exporter of weapons to India and India-Israel co-operation continues to grow. India is also eager to be a “strategic partner” of the United States. But the US does not look kindly at Iran’s efforts to develop nuclear-weapons capability. Similarly, Iran cannot resolve Afghanistan with India: whenever that happens, geographic constraints dictate that it will have to resolve it with Pakistan.

In the event, both India and Iran will have to juggle quite a few balls to be able to make this so-called “strategic alliance” work. But there may be openings here for both. India seems embarked on a policy that keeps its regional security requirements separate from its aspirations beyond the region, though there is a dialectic between the two strands at least as far as India’s relations with the US and its hostility towards Pakistan are concerned. Also, to say that it is absolutely impossible for India to court Iran while trying to woo the US is not right. During the Cold War, Pakistan managed to keep strategic partnerships with both China and the United States. In the end, it was in a position to actually serve as a bridge between the two. India could conceivably play the same role between Iran and the US, especially if internal struggles in Iran begin to shape up in favour of the reformists.

Therefore the situation certainly poses a danger to Pakistan. A clear Indian military presence in Iran would require Islamabad to seriously review its regional policy not just with Afghanistan but also with Iran and India. Unfortunately, however, we see no signs of this taking place in Islamabad. In fact, no one is even asking questions of those who supported the way our intelligence agencies conducted the Afghan policy for over a decade or shrugged off the need to have a friendly Iran on our western borders. *


Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[Imran Khan]

According to unconfirmed Indian reports
Tuesday, January 28, 2003

first line of article show his whole story

 

[Peace Rocks~]

Strict, solid, and straightforward.
The way our leadership should be aswell.

So are you saying that Pakistan should just confess to the USA that it doesn't like being forced to do some "stuff" like arresting the man behind the mumbai attacks and the so called "war on terror"?

 

[Goodperson]

first line of article show his whole story

The article is from Dailytimes they do not have access to agreement media gets only leaked news. The agreement exists you will find several others on Web.
Its upto Pakistan to believe or not I put the link from Pak media to reply to x_man's query.

 

[TOPGUN]

Mr Peace rocks ! Who likes doing ones dirty work !! if your country was in the same place trust me they wouldnt even move there lips hahaha so dont state silly lines that make no sense boss!

 

[Imran Khan]

The article is from Dailytimes they do not have access to agreement media gets only leaked news. The agreement exists you will find several others on Web.
Its upto Pakistan to believe or not I put the link from Pak media to reply to x_man's query.

comon man be serius iran india honey moon finished same day when india vote against iran in IAEA.after that day they open there eyes and moved too far as we can see.whats new develpments we seen? they not allowed india to cross there air space and our bollywood inspaires indians dreams that they allowed you to use there bases against pakistan in case war wow.they don't know pakistan is missle and nuclear power.when we fight just we will in battle graund no one come to help you or us no one wana go to hell when two nukes power fight.

 

[Peace Rocks~]

My country would rather see the terrorists dead than see them attacking our own reigons and killing our people.And if you think killing terrorists is dirty work,I could find a lot of people who could do that work.And can i ask under what basis you called my statements silly?

 

[dr.umer]

So are you saying that Pakistan should just confess to the USA that it doesn't like being forced to do some "stuff" like arresting the man behind the mumbai attacks and the so called "war on terror"?

Is Mumbai attack related to this thread ?

Please stick to topic and don't try to derail thread.

 

[Goodperson]

comon man be serius iran india honey moon finished same day when india vote against iran in IAEA.after that day they open there eyes and moved too far as we can see.whats new develpments we seen? they not allowed india to cross there air space and our bollywood inspaires indians dreams that they allowed you to use there bases against pakistan in case war wow.they don't know pakistan is missle and nuclear power.when we fight just we will in battle graund no one come to help you or us no one wana go to hell when two nukes power fight.

Perhaps, Iran did get a jolt, But Iran is still India's gateway to Afghanistan, Iran realizes India's importance both in political and Economic fields. This can be gaged from fact that it is still waiting for positive response from India on IPI pipeline. Mumbai attacks will justify India's stance.

 

[Jihad]

So are you saying that Pakistan should just confess to the USA that it doesn't like being forced to do some "stuff" like arresting the man behind the mumbai attacks and the so called "war on terror"?

That's not quite what I meant, but I guess you are somewhere in the right direction with your post.

 

[metalfalcon]

As per IAF sources, IRAN's message was clear- "if you are flying to the US, you cannot fly over our country". It was not out of any conflict between India and Iran.
There is even a strategic pact between India and Iran. India is to gain access to Iranian airfields, should there be a breakout of tensions against Pakistan

Will Iran allow Indian access to Iranian airfields or not ? is a different question for your Kind Information PAF has used Iranian airfields in the Past and, Iran will sure help India after Indian defence relations with Israel and Especially after Indian hesitation to participate in Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline on American Objection.

 

[metalfalcon]

All though India's vote against Iran in IAEA was a set-back in India-Iran relation, the economic cooperation between 2 nations has increased much in past 1-2 years. Trade volume was record high in 2007. India will oppose any military action against Iran. Both India and Iran collaborate and support Anti-Taliban government in Afghanistan. The new highway between Iran and Afghanistan (Zaranj-Delaram Highway) is funded by Indian government.

Shia - sunni conflict is another factor which will affect Iran’s relation with Pakistan

Indian Vote was against Iran just to get the Nuclear deal with USA and Indian opposition to attack on Iran is just verbal in reality India will be in favor of attacking Iran as USA will seek Indian help in the region because USA will be stuck in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan and only country who can help USA in that case will be India.

Shia - sunni conflict is another factor which will affect Iran’s relation with Pakistan

Thats the issue with Iran relations with Afghanistan, with Pakistan shia sunni is not an issue, and even if it was there are many other issues that Bind Iran and Pakistan together.

highway between Iran and Afghanistan (Zaranj-Delaram Highway) is funded by Indian government.

There are many other things in Afghanistan as well which are getting heavy funding from India as India has 9 consulates in Afghanistan, Sometimes i wonder how many Afghans want to come to India that India needs 9 consulates in Afghanistan

 

[bozorgmehr]

All though India's vote against Iran in IAEA was a set-back in India-Iran relation, the economic cooperation between 2 nations has increased much in past 1-2 years. Trade volume was record high in 2007. India will oppose any military action against Iran. Both India and Iran collaborate and support Anti-Taliban government in Afghanistan. The new highway between Iran and Afghanistan (Zaranj-Delaram Highway) is funded by Indian government.

Shia - sunni conflict is another factor which will affect Iran’s relation with Pakistan

Yeah... and please do come again if you have money left for building roads and railways and such...

With that out of the way, I will say that Indian boys are dreaming if they think Iran is gonna seriously side with India against Pakistan. And furthermore, they're delusional if they believe Iran will offer her airfields in a possible conflict against Pakistan.

They've been repeating that crap since Khatami visited in 02, which the Iranians didn't even dignify with a response at first. I remember at the time I went on to Bharat rakshak and told them as much.

Iran will not trust India for as far as she can throw her. Sure they can buy gas and oil from us. And they're more than come and build roads and railways in far off places. But have no illusions about who's in control of that situation. And if anybody knows anything about Iranians, they don't respect the slave mentality, be it by Indians or the Persian Gulf Arab shieks.

 

[Imran Khan]

nice answer man i hope you stay here with us in seriud debete