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Nothing wrong with the West. Historically, Iranians were always looking to the West. Either to conquer them, or to learn from them. Even Muslims studied mostly Greco scientific works. The Middle East has always been looking more to the West than to the East. And vica-versa too. Europeans were always looking to the Middle East. Either to conquer it, or to learn from it.

don't mix historic with this ...

anyway , Iran look to east more than west but the problem is that eastern and our ancestor didn't wrote their history carefully , so only history from our relationship with west is left .....

for example , we have more fights with Kushan empire than Room empire in Sassanid era but no one knew about those fight , while we have full story of every battle with Room ....

even in Shahnameh , our history/legends ( Iranian legends not Iran/India legends ) are focused on east ...
 
Do not waste your time with this barefoot arab he just know how to cook lizard in their land
 
From ancient texts. The Assyrians named some of the people who were inhabiting Iran, but most lands probably weren't. Only the border region between Iran and Iraq was greatly populated. The rest had some population, but not very large communities. If they were was any, we would probably had heard about them.



Yes, most people in the Middle East (as well as Iranians) have Middle Eastern (or West Asian) origins. But the difference is that we have a large Indo-European input, while Arabs have a large Semitic input. And South Europe is indeed more closer to us than to others. Although you should't forget that according to many racialists, the meditterean race originated in the Middle East according to them. And they believe that Nordic Europeans are depigmented Mediterreans.



Not exactly true. They weren't Indo-Iranian, but they weren't the oldest civilization in Iran. The Jiroft civilization is older:

Jiroft culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I don't think they were a small elite. In fact, Assyrians suddenly spoke about huge communities of Iranians. And we don't know the genetic affinity of the older Iranians to compare. They were probably mixed too.

Well, if we look past from the interior of Iran which has somewhat of a harsh climate/little rainfall then the regions near Iraq and the coastal regions of the Gulf opposite of the Arabian Peninsula which was were the Elamites were mainly based were fertile. At least back then. Then all of Northern Iran as well. So I find it very hard to believe that very few people lived in those regions.

Semitic people, aside from being originally from Africa as all other people if we believe science, were very much native to the Middle East in particular the Arabian Peninsula and the Levant region and Mesopotamia. Indo-Iranians were not. So the comparisons are different IMO.

Well, genetics confirm that the first Europeans who settled in large numbers came from the Middle East. So that is no secret. But since then there have been many population movements.

So this is why Northern Europeans and Eastern Europeans in particular have close to no connection to the Middle East and its people UNLIKE the Southern Europeans.

Jiroft is not really a civilization but more a culture as your like even say. And according to that link it originated in the late 3rd millennium BC. The Elamites have an attested presence from 2800 BC. So I would still say that the Elamites are older. And they were an civilization actually whom we know fairly a lot about.

There are similar cultures in all of the Middle East that predate the more well-known civilization but they are not usually called civilizations but rather cultures.

Small as in that they could by no means have exceeded the number of natives otherwise modern day DNA studies would have shown that which they don't.

Language and origins are two separate things.
 
i have a suggestion......why dont you iranian guys start a thread on your cinema,which really is world class....with your personal review... i think it would be great.:bounce::bounce:

the problem is that Iranian don't care about those movies that are shown in western congress like Oscar .......

the last Iranian film that I saw was The kingdom of Solomon .... and I think it was 2-3-4 years ago ...
 
Well, if we look past from the interior of Iran which has somewhat of a harsh climate/little rainfall then the regions near Iraq and the coastal regions of the Gulf opposite of the Arabian Peninsula which was were the Elamites were mainly based were fertile. At least back then. Then all of Northern Iran as well. So I find it very hard to believe that very few people lived in those regions.

Semitic people, aside from being originally from Africa as all other people if we believe science, were very much native to the Middle East in particular the Arabian Peninsula and the Levant region and Mesopotamia. Indo-Iranians were not. So the comparisons are different IMO.

Well, genetics confirm that the first Europeans who settled in large numbers came from the Middle East. So that is no secret. But since then there have been many population movements.

So this is why Northern Europeans and Eastern Europeans in particular have close to no connection to the Middle East and its people UNLIKE the Southern Europeans.

Jiroft is not really a civilization but more a culture as your like even say. And according to that link it originated in the late 3rd millennium BC. The Elamites have an attested presence from 2800 BC. So I would still say that the Elamites are older. And they were an civilization actually whom we know fairly a lot about.

There are similar cultures in all of the Middle East that predate the more well-known civilization but they are not usually called civilizations but rather cultures.

Small as in that they could by no means have exceeded the number of natives otherwise modern day DNA studies would have shown that which they don't.

Language and origins are two separate things.

Isn't it counted backwards???
 
the problem is that Iranian don't care about those movies that are shown in western congress like Oscar .......

the last Iranian film that I saw was The kingdom of Solomon .... and I think it was 2-3-4 years ago ...
what about A. Kiarostami??people dont like his work??
 
what about A. Kiarostami??people dont like his work??


I doubt anyone see his work .... except some people who calling themselves intellectual and their followers ...

our most successful director is Dehnamaki ( an "Hardliner" according of our liberal and reformist countrymen ) ...

Ekhrajiha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Masoud Dehnamaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

you can see his films in youtube ...

IMO those so called intellectuals crushed our cinema , they only make films for movies congress like Oscar , Kan not for ordinary people ....
 
Something natural (animal, vegetable or fruit) being native to your area is not a achievement. Bedouin. An achievement is if you can develop something that comes from your area into something valuable. You Arabs had animals walking around in your neighborhood, but you needed Persians to teach you how to develop it.

And the source I provided is not 'Farsi', but a Western horse expert.

Ignorant bedouin.


Ammm, as i recall it, it was Arab conquest of Persia and not the other way around.
 
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