Iran, major powers reach historic nuclear deal

[xenon54 out]

Congrats to Iranians, we are energy hungry and you are investment hungry, no doubt the trade will explode once sanction are lifted.

 

[MoshteAhani]

No. Iran per UNSC resolution is not allowed to import and export any weapons currently. The weapons that Iran export for example to Iraq are actually against UNSC resolution. But the world powers are ignoring that because firstly they do not want to make Iran angry over just little conventional weapon export and also because the situation in Iraq is so dire that they have no other option.

But this five years limit is also irrelevant technically. Since if you order any modern weapon system (not second hand retired and rusting equipment in a warehouse) it takes five years from negotiation to the point that weapons are actually ready to be delivered. Often even more time is needed. Iran can negotiate now, just can not import them right away. For example Iran can negotiate with Russians over PAK FA and S-400, right now. Even if this 5 years was not there, still it will take five years from now to delivery. So this is basically a formality. After all Obama has to show something to his hardliners, otherwise he will be lynched for having signed this deal.

But more important than these military stuff is the non-military things. For example Iran really needs geostationary satellites. Both for civilian use as well as for drones. Things of this nature can be done quickly from now.

I see. But i read something along these lines ''arms embargo lifted.. limited, fully after 5 years''... i cant find the source anymore but do you think this is likely ?

 

[Daneshmand]

Those willy nilly amendments don't mean anything. Most of them were worded in a way that essentially asked, "do you oppose Iran getting a bomb?". Of course, everyone will vote yes on that.

I'm telling you, Obama has this in the bag per excerpt below from a NYT article this morning.

"Although some provisions, including the arms embargo, are expected to be especially contentious in Congress, Mr. Obama’s chances of ultimately prevailing are considered high. Even if the accord is voted down by one or both houses, he could veto that action, and he is likely to have the votes he would need to prevail in an effort to override the veto. But he has told aides that for an accord as important as this one — which he hopes will usher in a virtual truce with a country that has been a major American adversary for 35 years — he wants a congressional endorsement."

Lets see what happens. Israel still has huge influence in DC and the Israelis are very angry.

I see. But i read something along these lines ''arms embargo lifted.. limited, fully after 5 years''... i cant find the source anymore but do you think this is likely ?

I do not know, I have not read the text completely, just skimmed some portions of it. Will look through it later on. It is 150 pages. Almost a book.

 

[-SINAN-]

If i understood correctly, sanctions will be lifted when the IAEA has reached the Broader Conclusion that all nuclear material in Iran remains in peaceful activities, right ?

 

[Daneshmand]

If i understood correctly, sanctions will be lifted when the IAEA has reached the Broader Conclusion that all nuclear material in Iran remains in peaceful activities, right ?

No. That is not the case. The sanctions are going to be lifted simultaneously as Iran holds up its part of the deal. If Iran pulls out of the deal, 65 days later sanctions return. So basically it is not really a inspection regime. It is a DEAL. Iran gives this and gets that. Simple.

 

[-SINAN-]

No. That is not the case. The sanctions are going to be lifted simultaneously as Iran holds up its part of the deal. If Iran pulls out of the deal, 65 days later sanctions return. So basically it is not really a inspection regime. It is a DEAL. Iran gives this and gets that. Simple.

Is it not the something...It is the IAEA which is going to verify if Iran holds up the end of the deal.

If you say other wise can you share the source from the text ?

 

[500]

One of the important parts of the deal as the reports suggest:

At first, U.S refused to lift any of arms embargo until an unknown time in the future (and certainly they don't like it to be lifted ever), but after Iranian negotiators stood firm on their stance, latest reports suggest that an agreement on lifting of arms embargo was reached as below:

For 5 years, the embargo will be partially lifted, so Iran can sell arms to any country it wants and buy certain weapons (perhaps not big weapons like jets,missiles).

After 5 years, the arms embargo will be completely lifted and Iran will be like any other country in the world.

There are already reports that Russia is planning to sell a big number of PAK FA 5th gen fighter jets, specifically built for Iran, after 2020.

* Sorry, to disappoint u, but arms embargo is not lifted.
* Your country is in deep economic crisis and u dream about super expensive toys.
* Dont forget that u still need to give billions upon billions to ur beloved genocidal maniac Assad.

 

[Daneshmand]

Is it not the something...It is the IAEA which is going to verify if Iran holds up the end of the deal.

If you say other wise can you share the source from the text ?

Not really again. This is a political case and not one of inspections really. If you read the text, you will find out that there will be a board which will decide issues relating to differences between IAEA and Iran. The board will be the P5 plus Germany and Iran. So it is basically a political decision. IAEA is just going to be a contractor on the ground. Decisions are going to be political. This whole deal is actually a political deal. Some body had put the link up in this thread. You can download it from there.

 

[xenon54 out]

Sorry, to disappoint u, but arms embargo is not lifted.

Not all arms though, in the radio the said arms like missile technology, do you think fighter jets are also included?

 

[Winchester]

With all the criticism leveled at Obama
He got the U.S out of two wars
Inherited an economy that was in recession and got it back on track
Reconciled with Cuba
And now this
He hasn't done too bad actually

 

[Norwegian]

With all the criticism leveled at Obama
He got the U.S out of two wars
Inherited an economy that was in recession and got it back on track
Reconciled with Cuba
And now this
He hasn't done too bad actually

Tell that to Obama-hater @LeveragedBuyout

 

[Daneshmand]

* Sorry, to disappoint u, but arms embargo is not lifted.
* Your country is in deep economic crisis and u dream about super expensive toys.
* Dont forget that u still need to give billions upon billions to ur beloved genocidal maniac Assad.

* Arms embargo will automatically lift in 5 years which is about the time when one starts negotiating for an arms deal and deliveries start. Iran will start weapon purchase negotiations with countries like China and Russia, and weapons will be delivered right on time. Obama has thought out everything perfectly.

* Iran's situation is not actually that dire: Here's how Iran might spend its massive economic windfall from a nuclear deal

Israel's situation though is seriously dire. It is getting isolated and its leader portrayed as a war mongering maniac bent on destruction almost like a caricature character. Expect serious criticism of Israel in the days ahead both in Western media and among politicians and public. The sort of criticism Israel has not experienced since its creation.

* Don't worry about Dr Assad. He will be fine. Worry about Nutandyahoo.

 

[500]

Not all arms though, in the radio the said arms like missile technology, do you think fighter jets are also included?

There is no any change. SAM missiles were never part of the embargo.

* Arms embargo will automatically lift in 5 years which is about the time when one starts negotiating for an arms deal and deliveries start. Iran will start weapon purchase negotiations with countries like China and Russia, and weapons will be delivered right on time. Obama has thought out everything perfectly.

There is no any mention of lifting sanctions in 5 years.

* Iran's situation is not actually that dire: Here's how Iran might spend its massive economic windfall from a nuclear deal

Sanctions are only 1 reason for Iran economic crisis. Others are:

1) Ineffective socialist mullahconomy.
2) Low oil prices (which dropped even more because of the deal).
3) Need to pay nearly 10 billions a year to giraffe serial murderer.

Israel's situation though is seriously dire. It is getting isolated and its leader portrayed as a war mongering maniac bent on destruction almost like a caricature character. Expect serious criticism of Israel in the days ahead both in Western media and among politicians and public. The sort of criticism Israel has not experienced since its creation.

Your GNP per capita in constant dollars is lower than it was in 1976

* Don't worry about Dr Assad. He will be fine. Worry about Nutandyahoo.

Giraffe lost half of the country despite Iranian billions and mercenaries.

 

[Hakan]

Something fishy is going on here. They are going to let Iran make billions while it is still funding armed groups in the region? The israeli lobby in the U.S could not pressure Obama enough? They are going to allow Iran to buy advanced weapons from outside? Why? If I was Iranian I would watch my back.

In the meantime the world makes money, everyone benefits monetarily.

 

[Arminkh]

Great News!

Congratulations to all Iranians especially those living in Iran. One of the best news ever!