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The family behind the Iran is Great van: 'what happened to us was serendipity' | World news | The Guardian

The family behind the Iran is Great van: 'what happened to us was serendipity'
Counter-terrorism police were called this week to investigate a family van parked in central London, with ‘Iran is Great’ emblazoned on its sides

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The Ivans explain why they love Iran in their family video


At 1pm on Monday, a family van parked outside the Science Museum in central London. Within two hours, as the family of four including eight-year-old Lucas and his younger sister Emilea returned from the nearby Natural History Museum, they found their windows had been smashed.

There must have been a burglary, they thought; in fact, as they found later, their vehicle had been at the centre of a major security alert involving the bomb squad. Counter-terrorism police had evacuated the museum and closed roads before breaking into the van, suspecting it contained a bomb. Instead, they found dolls and stationery scattered around inside.

Cristian Ivan, the Romanian father, had no idea the big “Iran is Great” sign emblazoned on both sides of his van could cause such a commotion.



Cristian Florin Ivan and his family with their Iran van outside the Science Museum, London. Photograph: Ivan family/Facebook
Cristian, his French wife, Audrey, and German-born children had arrived a week earlier to participate in a festival in Wales, their first visit to the UK. In the five years since they started to live and travel in their van around the world, visiting museums has become an essential part of the home schooling of their kids. It was during a trip to Iran that they fell in love with the country and later decided to start their own campaign encouraging others to visit.

“Visiting museums is like school for our children,” Cristian said. “We parked the car in front of the Science Museum; when we came out we were confused – why would the police do something like that? We were told it was because of the message written on the van.”

Cristian particularly felt agitated that the police had not left any note behind, explaining what had happened. “I went to the police station and they accused me of provoking the whole thing, they wanted me to feel responsible for expressing my views about this country, Iran.” He has not received an apology.

Later that day at the station, a policewoman told Cristian in an episode that has since been posted online: “We had to block the road, we had to call out the bomb squad, we had to call up supervisors to come down, we had to close everywhere off because your vehicle was parked in a higher security hotspot in London with that written on the sides. That’s the justification, it doesn’t say ‘Spain is Great’, ‘Italy is Great’, whatever.”

A Metropolitan police spokeswoman told the Guardian on Thursday: “There was a security alert in the Kensington area on Monday as a result of a suspicious vehicle.” When pressed if the police has since apologised, the Met said it has not received an official request of such.


Cristian Ivan cleans up his van after a window is smashed outside the Science Museum
“Do I have to beg for an apology?” Cristian complained. “They broke into my private property, they damaged my property, it’s where we live. Our children are frightened, they don’t feel secure, they were so scared they slept in our bed.”

“I’m not blaming the police for what they did, I’m blaming them for what they did not,” he said. “I understand they need to do their job but they could have left a note ‘we damaged your car’, ‘sorry’ or at least saying ‘it was us, please call us’.”

Falling in love with Iran
The Ivan family began their new lifestyle five years ago. Cristian met Audrey in Germany where he was studying economics and then engineering. They made enough money to buy a house in Kassel, Germany, and later decided to rent it out to fund an adventure in their van across the globe. A monthly income of €2,000 has been more than enough.

Their first destination was India but in order to get there overland they had to cross into Iran. They initially hesitated but then decided to go. What they saw there took them by surprise.



Cristian Florin Ivan and his family with their Iran vis Great an in Paris. Photograph: Ivan family/Facebook
“We planned to stay five days; we ended up staying two months,” Cristian said. “During the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad years, Iran had a particularly negative image in Europe. We went there anyway, we were overwhelmed by the beauty of the country and how people treated us; something we had never experienced in any country before and after.”

“We expected thieves, terrorists to attack us, instead we saw people waving at us and welcoming us and giving us gifts and saying how honoured they were that we were visiting their country.”

What happened earlier this week in London was not the first incident involving their van. In 2013, while visiting Iran for the second time, they were actually robbed when staying in the city of Karaj, west of the capital, Tehran. Thieves took all their money and documents, including passports. Without them, they couldn’t leave the country.

“We were in deep trouble, we had to apply for Romanian, French, German passports,” he said. “When thieves took our things we put a sign up saying ‘dear thieves, please at least give us our paper back, we want to go home’, it was so desperate.”

The Iranians, he said, reacted overwhelmingly. “There was a lot of reaction online, there was a hype, many many people knew about our situation when there were meeting us in the metro in Tehran, for example. They would ask us going to their house, they would say ‘can I give you some money?’, ‘please forgive us’, ‘this is not the real Iran’,” he said. “We were already in love with Iran but that showed us that we can do something in return to these people.”

Could he compare that incident in Iran to the trouble in London? “In Iran we had a better experience afterwards. OK, we had a bad moment, but then the reaction of the people and the authorities in Iran was tremendous, overwhelming,” he said. “It was the moment our project was born, it was born in a very desperate moment but it was born of the reaction of Iranians and authorities, the way they treated us. The high ranking officials invited us to their offices, they said sorry for what happened, it’s something I’m still missing from the British authorities.”

Their 2013 trip to Iran was intended for a month but they ended up staying for half a year before their documents were retrieved. “At the end it was the trick for us to discover the real Iran, we stayed longer, we had more interaction with people,” he said. During that say, did they visit an Iranian home? “I would say we accepted a thousand invitations, we can’t count the number of the times we went to people’s houses.” He added in Persian: “This is how I learned Farsi language.”

Cristian stressed that their Iran is Great project is purely a family project, not funded by any Iranian official. “We are not making publicity for the Iranian authorities, we are only trying to encourage people to go to Iran and build their own opinion about this magnificent country.” The vehicle carries a message of peace, he said. It also carries a poem from the ancient Persian poet Saadi on the top of its front window: “Human beings are members of a whole, in creation of one essence and soul.”

What about the children and school? “No, they don’t need to go to school, they don’t have time for school,” he chuckled. “Because they are busy with educating themselves.” Although the law in Germany is complicated, the kids are registered in France, a country that allows home schooling. He reassured: “We are not doing this illegally.”

But would the kid be able to make enough friends, since they are always travelling? “We have a problem here,” he said. “We have too many friends. We have many friends in many countries, in Iran as well. Our kids learned Persian because they interacted with Iranian friends, we have friends everywhere.”

“It is our dream to travel and educate our kids in a free way, and go to museum, we do that very often,” he said. “Not going to school doesn’t mean we don’t learn, in fact we learn a lot more.”

Despite all, both incidents in Iran and London have not left the family with bad feelings. “Do you know the word serendipity?” he asked. “Unfortunately it doesn’t exist in my language. What happened to us in Iran was serendipity, what happened to us in London was also serendipity. There couldn’t have been a better unexpected publicity for our project.”
 
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God knows how much miseries the 1979 revolution has brought to the Iranian people, and their public image. It used to be that the Iranian passport was welcomed and respected in most of the civilized parts of the world. Iranian students were sent on scholarships paid by the state to the best universities in North America and elsewhere. Far too many countries didn't require visas for Iranian travelers.

Now all of that has vanished, and the image of Iranians has been fully demonized in the media and every other news outlet. Not a small number of Iranians prefer to say that they are Persians (when they are abroad), or put signs that say "Persian Restaurant" or "Persian Rugs" on stores to avoid the unfriendly feeling the word "Iranian" can cause.
 
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God knows how much miseries the 1979 revolution has brought to the Iranian people, and their public image. It used to be that the Iranian passport was welcomed and respected in most of the civilized parts of the world. Iranian students were sent on scholarships paid by the state to the best universities in North America and elsewhere. Far too many countries didn't require visas for Iranian travelers.

Now all of that has vanished, and the image of Iranians has been fully demonized in the media and every other news outlet. Not a small number of Iranians prefer to say that they are Persians (when they are abroad), or put signs that say "Persian Restaurant" or "Persian Rugs" on stores to avoid the unfriendly feeling the word "Iranian" can cause.

Given how much Saudi has sold itself out to the west, giving its land to US army, and doing whatever Uncle Sam says, your passport is ranked, 57, while our is 70. That's all that begging, and lowering yourself, gave you? That's it? I mean, I'd understand it if your passport was ranked #1, Made In Saudi products were the love of the world, young western people desperately wanted to pretend to be Saudi, Saudi pop culture from songs, movies, and music was adored every corner in the world, going to Saudi was on every person's bucket list (not counting Muslim's hajj which has nothing to do with your country), and so on, but nothing. I've never seen a country sell out itself so much and get so little in return!

A small number of Iranians might call themselves Persian, but whatever we call ourselves, it's better than calling ourselves a name that is based on a family that gave its name to a land (wtf?). "I'm Saudi". "Do you mean you are from the Al Saud family?" "No, no, I'm from the land which the Saudi family named it after themselves but I'm not from their family. " "...ok"

So embarrassing.
 
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Given how much Saudi has sold itself out to the west, giving its land to US army, and doing whatever Uncle Sam says, your passport is ranked, 57, while our is 70. That's all that begging, and lowering yourself, gave you? That's it? I mean, I'd understand it if your passport was ranked #1, Made In Saudi products were the love of the world, young western people desperately wanted to pretend to be Saudi, Saudi pop culture from songs, movies, and music was adored every corner in the world, going to Saudi was on every person's bucket list (not counting Muslim's hajj which has nothing to do with your country), and so on, but nothing. I've never seen a country sell out itself so much and get so little in return!

A small number of Iranians might call themselves Persian, but whatever we call ourselves, it's better than calling ourselves a name that is based on a family that gave its name to a land (wtf?). "I'm Saudi". "Do you mean you are from the Al Saud family?" "No, no, I'm from the land which the Saudi family named it after themselves but I'm not from their family. " "...ok"

So embarrassing.

You are in denial dude. No where in my post I have said or indicated that KSA is a perfect place or the Saudi passport is a top one. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be looking back and talking about the enormous damage the 1979 revolution has caused. Stay in denial if you want, and keep believing in the revolutionary literature which fed people nothing but propaganda. Iran didn't do well after the revolution, it did much worse economically, and politically. Its public image was thoroughly vilified.

All of its International relationships were either ruined or badly affected (except for North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela). The frustration among Iranians is very obvious. 5 million Iranians have already escaped their revolutionary heaven to live elsewhere. Living in the U.S which the Mullahs scream against everyday became a dream for many many Iranians. So living in the enemy's country became a dream, how great is that?

You and your family had to live among the Arabs you abhor so much in order to have a better life. Obviously, that wasn't possible in your revolutionary heaven. After 36 years of struggle and agony, the Mullahs return to square number 1, they agreed on the US inspecting their rear ends at their convenience. Long and painful way to declare defeat (the fantastic deal which you personally opposed).
 
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God knows how much miseries the 1979 revolution has brought to the Iranian people, and their public image. It used to be that the Iranian passport was welcomed and respected in most of the civilized parts of the world. Iranian students were sent on scholarships paid by the state to the best universities in North America and elsewhere. Far too many countries didn't require visas for Iranian travelers.

Now all of that has vanished, and the image of Iranians has been fully demonized in the media and every other news outlet. Not a small number of Iranians prefer to say that they are Persians (when they are abroad), or put signs that say "Persian Restaurant" or "Persian Rugs" on stores to avoid the unfriendly feeling the word "Iranian" can cause.

Iran does suck , but it is still a more liberal society than the arabia , women can drive in iran , causal relationships exist outside of the bound of marriage , while arabs like to bound themselves to what the 1979 revolution brought about for them , iranian expats might not enjoy the comfort arabs do but well screw them
 
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too bad for the family they wants peace and friends ship
now they are taunted like they are terrorist
 
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Given how much Saudi has sold itself out to the west, giving its land to US army, and doing whatever Uncle Sam says, your passport is ranked, 57, while our is 70. That's all that begging, and lowering yourself, gave you? That's it? I mean, I'd understand it if your passport was ranked #1, Made In Saudi products were the love of the world, young western people desperately wanted to pretend to be Saudi, Saudi pop culture from songs, movies, and music was adored every corner in the world, going to Saudi was on every person's bucket list (not counting Muslim's hajj which has nothing to do with your country), and so on, but nothing. I've never seen a country sell out itself so much and get so little in return!

A small number of Iranians might call themselves Persian, but whatever we call ourselves, it's better than calling ourselves a name that is based on a family that gave its name to a land (wtf?). "I'm Saudi". "Do you mean you are from the Al Saud family?" "No, no, I'm from the land which the Saudi family named it after themselves but I'm not from their family. " "...ok"

So embarrassing.
What's so wrong with you people? I mean are you people sure you don't need some one to teach you guys how to breath?
Is learning and understanding the principles and basics of debating that too hard for you people to learn, after all this time?
He is stating some facts, if you got anything worth telling to oppose or counter or prove his claims, then make busy of those fingers of yours, and if else you'd better keep them in your pocket and held your mouth shut.
I mean, no one ever form Germany or Switzerland or,.. would ever waste his precious time commenting on your backward country, it's all about these people around from Saudi, Iraq, Pakistan ... and etc, and all you guys do replying them is to close your eyes open your mouth and to start blabbering via some random shi..ts.
How much does it take you guys to learn the basics? ah ah ah
 
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You are in denial dude. No where in my post I have said or indicated that KSA is a perfect place or the Saudi passport is a top one. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be looking back and talking about the enormous damage the 1979 revolution has caused. Stay in denial if you want, and keep believing in the revolutionary literature which fed people nothing but propaganda. Iran didn't do well after the revolution, it did much worse economically, and politically. Its public image was thoroughly vilified.

All of its International relationships were either ruined or badly affected (except for North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela). The frustration among Iranians is very obvious. 5 million Iranians have already escaped their revolutionary heaven to live elsewhere. Living in the U.S which the Mullahs scream against everyday became a dream for many many Iranians. So living in the enemy's country became a dream, how great is that?

You and your family had to live among the Arabs you abhor so much in order to have a better life. Obviously, that wasn't possible in your revolutionary heaven. After 36 years of struggle and agony, the Mullahs return to square number 1, they agreed on the US inspecting their rear ends at their convenience. Long and painful way to declare defeat (the fantastic deal which you personally opposed).
1- If you think the image of Iran in some imperialist states are important to Iranians.. then you don't understand the whole shia Iranian religious, cultural and political system. In Iran, Sharaf va al Ezzah is way more precious than getting approved by West... Actually, the biggest motive behind Islamic revolution in 79 was getting out of the control of West, being independent, perform whatever the majority of people want (Democracy .. right?)

2- Iranian political performance was enormous as you can see from its range of international influence. In ME Iran is the absolute power to decide (at least in many parts of ME), Iran became a nation that 6 biggest states find it impossible to fight but willingly come to a table to reach a deal with another NOW a BIG BOY...

3- Economical performance is not something to be proud of, but I guarantee you that non other country, even bigger ones, could stand what Iran gone through in 36 years and still have a high HDI quality of life, the vast scientific and industrial infrastructure + a very promising economy. Iran experienced a big revolution that literally flapped everything up side down for at least 3 years up to 1982. Iran experienced a devastating invasion by demon forces supported by so called Muslim brothers and evil Western and Eastern powers. When you read history of IRan-Iraq war and the helping hands behind, I really feel very sorry for Muslim nations as a whole more than what West has done to IRan... IRan experienced a unprecedented all-in Sanctions that no other state ever been through. Only one of these evil actions against Iran is enough for a bigger country to come to its knees asking for pardon. So Iran did a good job if not extra-ordinary regarding economy.

4- Iran managed to become an Industrial Nation through standing on its own feet. Iran currently is a future-maker in very critical fields of advancement. Iran is a leading nation in Future Science and Technologies . Even though, Iran still lacks behind other industrial nations on some fields but she is determent to change its rule in future. Last time that science and tech were exercised in West, not only Iran but all other Eastern nations where totally ASLEEP. Today we are in a very critical point again. Today, future science and tech pioneers are getting formed. This time, this Islamic Republic is making every Muslim nation proud and is in the league of pioneers.

5- Iran never were after so called Western approval in form of treating him like other slaves... West never wants a Muslim country to become a pioneer, because it is a substantial danger to their system. This is why, Muslim countries earn friendly treatment by West, only when they submit to them in every aspect. Any person that thinks selling natural resources like oil and then building a superficial, useless infra in form of more oil wells, more +1000m towers, more ferraries and then giving the money away to their citizens as a hand out out of generosity is a way to be proud of is an absolute idiot. If only few more capable Muslim nations (Egypt, KSA, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia) do what Iran is doing, then we as Muslims could be proud and wait for a very close future in which Muslim nations are treated nice just because they earned it not because they submitted to Non-Muslims.

6- Iranian Immigrants number is very low comparing to other comparable nations.

A) Heck, Turkey has nearly 10 million immigrants to Europe only! Turks in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

total number of Turkish immigrants - Google Search

B)Germans Immigrants are nearly 80 millions:
In the United States census of 1990, 57 million people were fully or partly of German ancestry, forming the largest single ethnic group in the country. According to the United States Ancestry Census of 2009, there were 50,764,352 people of German descent.[1] People of German ancestry form an important minority group in several countries, including Canada (roughly 10% of the population),Argentina (roughly 7.5% of the population),[2]Australia (roughly 4.5% of the population),[3]Chile (roughly 3% of the population),[4]Namibia, and in central and eastern Europe—(Poland, Hungary, Romania, and Russia).
German diaspora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

C) United States has around 8 million Immigrant diaspora in other countries: American diaspora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

D) British Citizens: According to The Foreign and Commonwealth Office there were 13.1 million British nationals living abroad in 2004–05. These figures are taken from the consular annual returns from overseas posts. There is no requirement for UK citizens to register with British missions overseas and therefore these figures are based on the most reliable information that can be obtained e.g. from host government official statistics.[2]

E) The French diaspora designates the diaspora from France and their descendants. Countries with significant numbers of members of the French diaspora include the United States, Canada, Australia and several countries of Latin America. As of 2009, it is estimated that the diaspora includes over 30 million people

F) Korea has nearly 7 millions too...


I understand your hate toward Iranians but I had a perception of you that you are a fair person.

If Iran desperately is seeking Western approval to their system then one of your points is true... but the problem is that although most of Iranian civilian citizens don't have any problems with people of USA or even with the people of Israel, but I can guarantee you that still the majority of Iranians, rather to have no friendship ties with West than finding themselves having a respected passport while submitted to their norms and crushing the national, religious pride of Iranians...

Iran is a good example of what a determent nation can do even though under harsh sanctions and wars in decades... Here most of us don't believe that the era of Shah of Iran was a good era. We see some strengths but it was mostly a failure... he was a better copy of most of today GCC states...

You never will be able to understand and analyse Iranian situation unless you understand how rich Iranian culture and religion is and how Iranians are people of values and how they are ready to fight than simply submitting to evil powers just because we think they are stronger! This culture is non-existent among Iranians... This is why, we bare harsh sanctions very easy, fight a devastating 8 year long war with bare hands, believe in ourselves trying to revive again as a leading nation. Iran stayed strong and resisted to reach its ideals. I can assure you that Iran successfully passed at least half of its ideals today... I can assure you that from now on, you only witness a leading nation... be it scientifically, technologically, culturally, politically, militarily, etc... Many of our caltivated seeds are about to fruit.

I expect other Muslim nations with huge potentials to leave their pathetic system, don't be fooled by Western totalitarians who want all.. fix their political system in a way that you satisfy both democracy and your local culture... Leave your OIL and OIL and CONSUMERISM culture and start to work yourself and work hard... Start to make the world respect you for your greatness and achievement and not for your oil money that brings no respect but slavery...

World is a jungle... you won't be seen as great if you are not great... You must earn your greatness... You can not buy it by money... World will laugh at you... eat you... enslave you if you are a weak dependent nation...

Remember the history of how German or Japanese or Italian passport holders were once on the same situation as Irans'. Where are they now? They earned the respect...

Don't fool yourself be satisfied with your current total failure system... You gotta work to change that... No big nation will respect you for your oil money..specially when despite 10 million barrels of oil export per day you still have nearly %30 unemployment rate among young saudis... having 6 million foreign workers but not having enough educated or work-seeker saudis to reduce your horrible unemployment rate... I personally seen how Europeans saying Mocking words about KSA and its citizens when they see Saudis feel respected... I know you know what I mean... This is not what a Muslim must be...

Wake up... instead of trying to stain the almost clean sheet of Iran, go tear up your whole dark paper, start all over new...

If only Saudi leaders were smart enough to step in the same route where IRan and Turkey and Malasyia already made miracles, we would have much less problems for being a Muslim...

I'm in no way saying Iran is now PERFECT or has no huge problems in its system, but I know Iran strived million miles a head after revolution in many aspects, although, still is nothing to be satisfied with.... so, despite its weaknesses... Be fair even if you hate something... Credit goes where it is due

Iran does suck
Yes, Iran sucks... Afghanistan Rocks!!
 
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Saudi Arabia's growing problem of poverty
Kevin Sullivan for the Washington Post

In a country with vast oil wealth and lavish royalty, an estimated quarter of Saudis live below the poverty line

A few kilometres from the blinged-out shopping malls of Saudi Arabia's capital, Souad al-Shamir lives in a concrete house on a trash-strewn alley. She has no job, no money, five children under 14 and an unemployed husband who is laid up with chronic heart problems.

"We are at the bottom," she said, sobbing hard behind a black veil that left only her eyes visible. "My kids are crying and I can't provide for them."

Millions of Saudis struggle on the fringes of one of the world's most powerful economies, where jobs and welfare programmes have failed to keep pace with a population that has soared from 6 million in 1970 to 28 million today.

Under King Abdullah, the Saudi government has spent billions to help the growing numbers of poor, estimated to be as much as a quarter of the native Saudi population. But critics complain that those programmes are inadequate, and that some royals seem more concerned with the country's image than with helping the needy. In 2011, for example, three Saudi video bloggers were jailed for two weeks after they made an online film about poverty in Saudi Arabia.

"The state hides the poor very well," said Rosie Bsheer, a Saudi scholar who has written extensively on development and poverty. "The elite don't see the suffering of the poor. People are hungry."

The kingdom has a two-tier economy made up of about 16 million Saudis, with most of the rest foreign workers. The poverty rate among Saudis continues to rise as youth unemployment skyrockets. More than two-thirds of Saudis are under 30, and nearly three-quarters of all unemployed Saudis are in their 20s, according to government statistics.

In just seven decades as a nation, Saudi Arabia has grown from an impoverished backwater of desert nomads to an economic powerhouse with an oil industry that brought in $300bn last year.

Forbes magazine estimates King Abdullah's personal fortune at $18bn, making him the world's third-richest royal, behind the rulers of Thailand and Brunei. The king last year also announced plans to spend $37bn on housing, wage increases, unemployment benefits and other programmes, which was widely seen as an effort to placate middle-class Saudis and head off any Arab Spring-style discontent.

For many years, image-conscious Saudi officials denied the existence of poverty. It was a taboo subject avoided by state-run media until 2002, when Abdullah, then the crown prince, visited a Riyadh slum. News coverage was the first time many Saudis saw poverty in their country.

Despite those efforts, poverty and anger over corruption continue to grow. Vast sums of money end up in the pockets of the royal family through a web of nepotism, corruption and cozy government contracts, according to Saudi and US analysts.Bsheer said some Saudi royals enrich themselves through corrupt schemes, such as confiscating land from often-poor private owners, then selling it to the government at exorbitant prices.

Under Islamic law, men are required to financially support women and their children. So women who find themselves without a man's income struggle, especially because the kingdom's strict religious and cultural constraints make it hard for women to find jobs.

The situation for many families, including Shamir's, is worse because they are "stateless" and not officially recognised as Saudi citizens, even though they were born in the country.

The UN estimates that there are 70,000 stateless people in Saudi Arabia, most of them descended from nomadic tribes whose traditional territory included parts of several countries. Their legal limbo makes it harder for them to receive government benefits.

Shamir, 35, lives in the shadow of a huge cement factory. The houses and streets are covered in a haze of smoke and dust. Her concrete house is down a narrow alley, where graffiti covers the cracked walls and litter piles up in the street. Her landlord is threatening to kick her out, and a local shop owner has cut off her credit for food and gas for her stove. She lives mainly on charity from wealthy Saudis who show up with food and clothes.

One recent morning, her children ran to the door to help unload food being dropped off by a middle-class Riyadh couple in an SUV. Shamir said donations help her pay for the electricity to run an air conditioner, but she does not have enough to buy school supplies for her children.

Shamir's 14-year-old daughter, Norah, has never sent an email or seen Facebook. Her husband has a second wife who has another 10 children. Most of them are unemployed. "I've been patient all these years," Shamir said. "I hope that God will reward me with a better life for my children."

• This story appeared in Guardian Weekly, which incorporates material from the Washington Post
 
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