Iran Equips Destroyer with Upgraded Surface-to-Air Missile

[scythian500]

With my and Iranian standards Occupied Palestine is a theocracy Jewish dictatorship in its best,,.. and seems many other people including LA times, Haaretz and many others are seeing it too... The expression that "Israel is the only democratic country in ME" if you search it you can find out that it is all repeated by Israeli rulers to justify their ruthless invasion of Palestine and to justify killing defenseless Palestinian kids and women.... How do Turkish people feel if Iran come and get eastern half of Turkey, claiming it is written in our history books that it was Iranian and then we claim a democratic state there... asking the world to help us against Turkey!!!!
Seriously... Israeli concept of being a country and attacking innocent people is as baseless as this claim of mine...
From my point of view... Occupied Palestine (Israel) can not make any serious weapons with high tech... they are all either imported in parts and sub systems and assembled or funded, designed and made by foreign experts became citizen recently... or are assembled through using the info and tech stolen by espionage and backstabbing their main friend.//
PS: ASR radar on Iranian Frigate only announced to be a Digital Navy based Phased Array Radar... My guess is that it is a PESA radar...
PSS: Iran has AESA radar being built in Iran and it is a sure thing for me...but Israel having the ability to build AESA is just a rumor... I won't believe AESA is Israel level unless I see it my own eyes it is working.... actually my own guess is that Israel can make nothing serious by its own if left alone...
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[Draco.IMF]

afaik, the RQ-170 drone was equipped with an AESA radar system
so Iran has it at least since 2011

 

[Aryan122]

My occupied Palestinian friend don't be fooled by your propaganda
Israel is a theocracy elected Jewish Dictatorship.. when beside election has no other aspects of a democracy... by this Standard, Iran is an elected democracy... all Iranian representatives are either:

Directly elected by people:

- President: Elected directly by people
- Parliament Members: Elected directly by people
- Khobregan council members : Elected directly by people

Indirectly elected by people:

- Chief of Judge is elected by leader who was himself elected by Khobregan council whose member are elected directly by people
- Mayors: Elected by City Council members who are elected directly by people
- Ministers of Cabinet: Elected by the president who is elected by people.
Therefore, by standard democratic rules, Iranian Islamic republic is one of the most democratic nations on earth...

Even the Term ISLAMIC REPUBLIC was selected democratically by direct votes of people when asked if they like to have an Islamic Republic and people approved it by %99.8 of YES votes.
It is fair to say that Occupied Palestine with its failed system is still more democratic than USA.. where only two parties are allowed to have the rule in reality... Where there is Senators who are not in any way a democratically elected representative!! Actually all countries with Senate and Senators are not democratic in whole.. maybe some aspects yes..

So Israel in its best aspects is nothing more than an Elected Theocracy Jewish Dictatorship: World knows this but as media has fear from Jewish lobbies in US and West in total, they can not object it openly.. although, you still can hear the scream of democratic and human right NGOs and fair minds that Israel is an Elected Theocracy Jewish Dictatorship and it must be changed:
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In 1979 more than half of the people of Iran were illiterate. The constitutional monarchy was also approved by the people of Iran, nearly 50 years before the Islamic revolution. Khomeini himself said:
اگر پدران ما انتخاب كردن كه مثلا نظام شاهي بر سر كار باشه حقي ندارند تعيين كننده براي آينده خودشان باشند
A rough translation would be who the hell are our fathers to decide for our future.

In Iraq during Saddam Husein's rein there were elections with huge turnouts. In soviet union there were elections. In north Korea they have elections. Having elections is NOT the right indicator of a country's level of democracy.
In Iran liberal parties are banned. Nationalist parties are banned. Socialist and Marxist parties are banned. Secular parties are banned. Dr Mossadegh's party is banned, its leaders are in jail. Only a select group of people approved by the guardian council are allowed to run. Even Islamists with slightly liberal views are not tolerated Election without political parties is just a joke.

Khobregan is just another sick show of " democacy " by the mullas. Alam al hoda, one of the members of the council explicitly said we have no power in observing the leader's performance.
مشهد- ایرنا- امام جمعه مشهد گفت: خبرگان، ناظر بر عملکرد رهبری نیستند چون رهبر ولی همه است و خبرگان نمی توانند بر عملکرد ولی خود نظارت کنند.

If participation in elections shows support for the ruling elite, in the last Israeli election 65 percent of Israeli Arabs participted. Hence, 2.5 million Arab residents of Israel are satisfied with what they have.

The reason Iranians are not in the streets is because under the current circumstances we recognize that the weakening of the central government could lead to the collapse of the entire country and ultimately its partition. The costs of a revolution is just too high. That's why we are giving the gradual reformation a chance.

 

[scythian500]

In 1979 more than half of the people of Iran were illiterate. The constitutional monarchy was also approved by the people of Iran, nearly 50 years before the Islamic revolution. Khomeini himself said:
اگر پدران ما انتخاب كردن كه مثلا نظام شاهي بر سر كار باشه حقي ندارند تعيين كننده براي آينده خودشان باشند
A rough translation would be who the hell are our fathers to decide for our future.

In Iraq during Saddam Husein's rein there were elections with huge turnouts. In soviet union there were elections. In north Korea they have elections. Having elections is NOT the right indicator of a country's level of democracy.
In Iran liberal parties are banned. Nationalist parties are banned. Socialist and Marxist parties are banned. Secular parties are banned. Dr Mossadegh's party is banned, its leaders are in jail. Only a select group of people approved by the guardian council are allowed to run. Even Islamists with slightly liberal views are not tolerated Election without political parties is just a joke.

Khobregan is just another sick show of " democacy " by the mullas. Alam al hoda, one of the members of the council explicitly said we have no power in observing the leader's performance.
مشهد- ایرنا- امام جمعه مشهد گفت: خبرگان، ناظر بر عملکرد رهبری نیستند چون رهبر ولی همه است و خبرگان نمی توانند بر عملکرد ولی خود نظارت کنند.

If participation in elections shows support for the ruling elite, in the last Israeli election 65 percent of Israeli Arabs participted. Hence, 2.5 million Arab residents of Israel are satisfied with what they have.

The reason Iranians are not in the streets is because under the current circumstances we recognize that the weakening of the central government could lead to the collapse of the entire country and ultimately its partition. The costs of a revolution is just too high. That's why we are giving the gradual reformation a chance.

Being illiterate does n,t mean their vote can not be counted as effective... In USA that most people are literate the majority of people have no sense of politic and who is who in reality.. democracy is that people chooses for itself..no matter how and what they choose... Today Iranian people are more than %95 literate... but still when it comes to approving the current Islamic Republic, the majority support it....

Alam al hoda is a psycho and everybody knows he is very extremist... Khobregan can do this if the conditions are ready... for now, the leader is well fit into the criteria... I personally was an enemy of him...but recently I realized that he is a very reliable leader who is smart and very capable and is very good for Iran and Iranians in whole..


I agree our fathers should not decide our fate... But most democratic states in world today have their form of government formed decades ago if not centuries... This is the norm that people get tired of one system... they will make arevolution again and change it... then after a while through elections people get asked if they still support the system... This is what people do in France or USA or Iran...

Have no doubt for one second that if the majority of Iranians do not want current Islamic republic then they will never come supporting it through even SHOW elections or memorandums and marches and other forms of democracy...

I used to be in your state of mind for a long time.. I always looked at around me and conclude that because my friends and family is watching foreign satellite TVs and object each and every issue of current government and go to parties and drink then Iran as a whole is like us and people don't want this system...

But after I got older and engaged with different peoples from different classes and religions of Iran, I easily saw that whether we like it or not, Iranian still are in support of this system and to my surprise, I feel people are growing in their support for current Iran as it is... I even had very anti-gov friends that are now a supporter...

Most of my friends are now satisfied that Iranian people are shia and most of them loves this religion and want it to be their system,... they are satisfied that current Iranian government despite its weaknesses and some bad points, still is a good government that are helping Iranians getting what they lost a while ago...

I had two friends who were brothers, they went working as managers in different countries... they were in Kuwait, Iraq,
Doha, Seul, Australia and after long years they are back home... they are changed dramatically... They now say, "we did not know what we have in Iran and we did not appreciate it before".... Despite failure in economy due to many factors, they are well convinced that Iran is better in science, tech, literacy, modern life style, good infrastructure even in distant rural areas, security, political and military strength and how Iranians rising up again as an empire... IF you ask them they clearly have objections regarding many issues of Iran after revolution but when asked if you prefer previous regime or an European style liberal state, they say, Iranian style is better for Iranians... We have to agree that with Iranian culture, religion and emotional life style, a society like liberal gay promoters of europe w'on,t work in Iran...

I agree that Iranian system must let other different parties to compete under republic constitution but I be fair that parties with absolute gay promoter liberals and communists or such parties are better not being in Iran...

I personally never sell my culture and religion to any imported democracy... Iran is a shia democratic republic, has miles to go to be perfect but still is a good example and it works for Iranians...

Believe me my younger brother, Iranian in majority love this system whatever it is... since they love it,,, it is a democracy... I think if Iran continue to play big and bring more pride to its citizens while improving its economy, Iranians will keep supporting this system until it is not working...

Fathers can not decide for us, but what if the current generation also support the system?

based on my observations, if we take all Iranians inside Iran into account, at least %75 to %80 of people are supporting this system... let us not forget that even 15 or %20 opposition is a big number and could exceed 15 million Iranians who don't like current system...but still majority is majority...we can not be a democracy supporter and then ask for minority to decide for whole nation... Altough, I think Iran should give more space to Iranian who oppose current system to live their desired life style... I support hacing night clubs, khaneye efaf, unisex beaches and mosques, religious preaching, family oriented teachings on state TV... This is my ideal system

 

[Aryan122]

Being illiterate does n,t mean their vote can not be counted as effective... In USA that most people are literate the majority of people have no sense of politic and who is who in reality.. democracy is that people chooses for itself..no matter how and what they choose... Today Iranian people are more than %95 literate... but still when it comes to approving the current Islamic Republic, the majority support it....

you are right. Being illiterate doesn't mean their vote can not be counted. But the fact the nearly half were illiterate gives us the reason to believe the a lot of them had absolutely no clue what they were stepping into. In 1930 and 1932 the people of Germany voted to National socialists(Nazis). Hitler rose to power through democratic elections. Don't forget that even groups like MEK and sepertist groups like Al-ahwaz voted for Islamic republic in that referendum because someone like Bazargan had promised them Self-rule ( خودمختاری ). You say today the majority support it. How do you know? Through what verifiable mechanism have the Iranian people demonstrated this support?

You say the leader is very capable and very smart. Smart in what sense? You judge a leader based on his actions. You judge a leader or the system he runs based on the fruits that his policies have bared. we can look at Iran's place in the world, in the prosperity index, in human development index, in poverty, in drug and alcohol consumption. water management( ranked 132 out of 132), freedom of press, entrepreneurship, inflation, economic progress, and more. In almost all these categorize Iran is ranked among the worst. you and your friends really have low standards. We are not comparing Iran to Germany or France or Japan. No. In a simple comparison with the neighboring countries, you can see the despite their lack of resources they are advanced in the fields that Iran can dream of.

No body talked about a pro gay liberal state, we are talking about the incompetence and the undemocratic nature of the current system. you have stories from your friends. I can also tell you about thousands of Iranians who hated the regime from the bottom of their hearts. It is not for you to decide which party should be allowed in the country or not. If those communist or gay promoting liberal parties are hated by Iranians and are not in line within the Iranian psyche and culture then in case of a demicratic election they will not be elected. So whether they exist or not should not be a problem. In Turkey, there are Islamist parties, Hard core secular parties nationalist parties pro gay liberal parties , you name it. But at the end of the Day when the Turkish people come to the polling stations, they vote for Islamist parties.

It does not work for Iranians. Any reasonable person who would take the time to cross-examine the fruits of the Islamic Republic would be convinced that this is not a competent system of governance and needs to go under mass reformation. We can go and discuss this issue in greater details about the failure of Islamic republic to provide basic necessities. Its economic policies have failed miserably. Its cultural policies have failed. Its lack of management is evident in every sector.

I ask you to produce your proof that 80 percent of Iranians love this system.

 

[scythian500]

you are right. Being illiterate doesn't mean their vote can not be counted. But the fact the nearly half were illiterate gives us the reason to believe the a lot of them had absolutely no clue what they were stepping into. In 1930 and 1932 the people of Germany voted to National socialists(Nazis). Hitler rose to power through democratic elections. Don't forget that even groups like MEK and sepertist groups like Al-ahwaz voted for Islamic republic in that referendum because someone like Bazargan had promised them Self-rule ( خودمختاری ). You say today the majority support it. How do you know? Through what verifiable mechanism have the Iranian people demonstrated this support?

You say the leader is very capable and very smart. Smart in what sense? You judge a leader based on his actions. You judge a leader or the system he runs based on the fruits that his policies have bared. we can look at Iran's place in the world, in the prosperity index, in human development index, in poverty, in drug and alcohol consumption. water management( ranked 132 out of 132), freedom of press, entrepreneurship, inflation, economic progress, and more. In almost all these categorize Iran is ranked among the worst. you and your friends really have low standards. We are not comparing Iran to Germany or France or Japan. No. In a simple comparison with the neighboring countries, you can see the despite their lack of resources they are advanced in the fields that Iran can dream of.

No body talked about a pro gay liberal state, we are talking about the incompetence and the undemocratic nature of the current system. you have stories from your friends. I can also tell you about thousands of Iranians who hated the regime from the bottom of their hearts. It is not for you to decide which party should be allowed in the country or not. If those communist or gay promoting liberal parties are hated by Iranians and are not in line within the Iranian psyche and culture then in case of a demicratic election they will not be elected. So whether they exist or not should not be a problem. In Turkey, there are Islamist parties, Hard core secular parties nationalist parties pro gay liberal parties , you name it. But at the end of the Day when the Turkish people come to the polling stations, they vote for Islamist parties.

It does not work for Iranians. Any reasonable person who would take the time to cross-examine the fruits of the Islamic Republic would be convinced that this is not a competent system of governance and needs to go under mass reformation. We can go and discuss this issue in greater details about the failure of Islamic republic to provide basic necessities. Its economic policies have failed miserably. Its cultural policies have failed. Its lack of management is evident in every sector.

I ask you to produce your proof that 80 percent of Iranians love this system.

You have only two options in this world to be able provide and secure a good present and future for your citizens:

1- Become a colonized state by all means... economically, socially, culturally, militarily, etc and enjoy the mercy of other major powers of world... This is risky because you have no control on your fate... most second hand incompetent countries in our region are of this kind

2- bare all the hardship... plan targets... resist all the "NO"s and pressures from world masters... work harder... believe in yourself and your abilities... prove yourself... get so strong that masters of the world have no choice but to let you join the game of monsters: specially when you,re a Muslim shia nation that has many enemies behind the curtains.... There is no single super power in this world that did not pass this path before... It is a jungle.. you have to either be tiger or the lion or be eaten like a rabbit...

I explained how I came to realize the majority support current democratic system... so it is as I said my personal observation... While I acknowledge some aspects of Iran needing to be changed, I consider it a democracy that fits well with the culture and dreams of Shia Iranians who are the majority... to my eyes, Iran has a very bright future with current system under the leadership of current leader and president. Iran in 2015 is million times better than Iran 1978.

I have been to many different villages around the country... from different ethnic backgrounds... they share their support for current system... take last 2 presidential elections as case studies... how many of Iranians really disapproved current system? less than %20...

I,m not an extremist.. I,m fair and realist... I can not understand both side of this extremist game... some people hate everything about Iran and their culture and religion just because they hate the governmental system!! There are many examples of them among Iranian members here... I also don't understand right winger extremists who support unconditionally. One must be fair and realist... I am... I have been to many countries... born abroad... lived in Iran for a long time too... I can easily see Iran and its after revolution system is working very well in some aspects while failing in others..overall, I see current system the right path... Iran will rise again and its people too accordingly... very soon... The mismanagement in Iran has nothing to do with governments.. it was something cultural reached us from incompetent Qajar kings.. It is changing rapidly.. New generation is much better than previous... they are correcting their bad habits and this will show itself in a more brilliant future... Iranian economy as the most failure among all fields can not be seen only through how governments acted... This was a legacy of previous Shah era... it is changing fast... economy will be fine soon... Although, in equal conditions (no sanctions), Iranian economy is way better than all its neighbors... and no neighbor of Iran is successful... they all failures... they all failures in most aspects... some less failure...some more...

This is my personal perception of Iran... I don't expect you to change your mind and I,m not trying to... I shared my views...whether it is right or wrong to you...

PS: I cleared my personal idea, you cleared your idea... let us agree to disagree and finish it at this point... there were many discussions about this to no avail... so let us get back to military issues on other topics

PSS: zemnan inja pore gorghayee hast ke doost nadaran sar be tane Iran va Irani bashe...che tarafdare nezham va che mokhalef... havaset bashe ke doshmanan aryan haye Irani inja mikhoonand nazarateto va ba,adan az haminha estefade mikonan bar zedemoon... agar system ro doost nadari be vatan va mardomet ergh nadari ke baeed midoonam bedoon ke khodet ham jozve Iraniha mahsoob mishi...pas dar moghabele tazi haye shire shotor khor va soosmar khor zerang bash... wahabi ha va turkha inja man barha bahashoon bahs kardam va inha doshmane nezhade ma va khake ma hastand va az harfe khode bazi memberhaye irooni mokhalef nezham bar zede keshvar va tahghir mardomemoon estefade mikonan... motmaen to ham ye Irani asil hasti va midooni cheotr ba zerangi ekhtelafat ro dakheili negah dari va be jash gheirateto neshoon bedi be khareji ha .... merci dooste golam... zemnan khosh amadi be forum
THE END

 

[Aryan122]

You have only two options in this world to be able provide and secure a good present and future for your citizens:

1- Become a colonized state by all means... economically, socially, culturally, militarily, etc and enjoy the mercy of other major powers of world... This is risky because you have no control on your fate... most second hand incompetent countries in our region are of this kind

2- bare all the hardship... plan targets... resist all the "NO"s and pressures from world masters... work harder... believe in yourself and your abilities... prove yourself... get so strong that masters of the world have no choice but to let you join the game of monsters: specially when you,re a Muslim shia nation that has many enemies behind the curtains.... There is no single super power in this world that did not pass this path before... It is a jungle.. you have to either be tiger or the lion or be eaten like a rabbit...

THE END

These two ideas resemble the pure form of communism. A view that has produced absolutely nothing for the nations following it. Are Malasyia, Brazil, South Africa, or Turkey colonized countries? Has India become a puppet state? Non of these countries have control over their fates? you say " believe in yourself and your abilities .... prove yourself". When you face a challenge you basically have two options. 1 - you can emulate the example set by others or you can use your own creativity and intelligence to formulate new Ideas. The Islamic republic had nearly 4 decades to prove itself. Both economically and culturally. It failed and it failed miserably. you don't need four decades to prove the competence of your system. The Islamists in Turkey in less than 15 years completely transformed the economy of their country from a 200 billion dollars economy into an 800 B economy. The Nazis in Germany in less than 10 years. What the west did in 200 years, south Korea did in less than 50 years. Unfortunately, people like you don't understand that when nations fail to develop they become vulnerable to collapse in security and stability. I also believe in Iran's abilities, I also believe in Hard work. But nation building is the result of intense efforts and planning. The Islamic republic has not been able to build a sport complex as big as Azadi after 4 decades. It has failed to build a decent internationally recognized airport. Imam khomeini after 40 years looks like a local airport when compared to Dubai, Abudhabi or Istanbul. We can judge its ranking and its performance on various grounds. And it fails the test. Therefore, we conclude that the regime is incapable to turn Iran into a Hi-tech or Economic super-power, judging from its poor performance in economy, management, planning, and its refusal to embrace reformation.

my personal observation is suggesting otherwise. I feel that the vast majority of Iranians not only hate the Regime but have become even self-hating religiously due to the regim's policies. " it reached us from Qajar kings, a legacy of shah era". Alright. You had 4 decades to reform this culture. You had 4 decades to transform Iran, and yet you admit you failed.
Turkey is a good example. UAE is a good example too. Give credit when credit is due. UAE in particular is example of what can be done when God blesses a country with unselfish leaders. When leaders grant people the love and care they deserve. The Islamic republic is exactly the opposite. In the sense that the interests and destiny of one individual and a regime are more important than those of a whole nation.

PSS: in araba va turka che ma az in harfa bezanim ya nazanim az ma motenaferan. be ghole khareji ha " someone who is looking for an excuse, does't have to go far he can find it in the coner". siasathaye jomhuree islamee naghsh ziadi dar in tanafor be voojood amade bazi mikone. shoma mikhaye defa bokoni bokon ama exaggeration shoma ham dige kheili ziade inke 80 darsad mardom az in nezam hemayat mikonan ..... hata dar keshvarhay scandinvi rate aprroval dolathashon intori nist. in dalil nemishe az har sasat ghalat defaa bokonim.yaani az nazar man chize ziadi baraye defaa kardan nist. khobe khodeth am migi araba va turka chikar israelie dari? kam doshman hast to in forum

 

[James David]

Behold!
The Somali "Pirate" class destroyer.

Specs:
- Displacement: Classified.
- Automation has reached a level that only a crew of 1 is needed to operate the destroyer.
- Firepower: Is known to take on 100,000 tonne ships.
- Radar: Advanced Eyeball.v1
- Can deploy 3 fully armed Pirates for special operations.

hey buddy @SipahSalar , I'm just curious, is this "DESTROYER" nuclear powered!??!

 

[rmi5]

In 1979 more than half of the people of Iran were illiterate. The constitutional monarchy was also approved by the people of Iran, nearly 50 years before the Islamic revolution. Khomeini himself said:
اگر پدران ما انتخاب كردن كه مثلا نظام شاهي بر سر كار باشه حقي ندارند تعيين كننده براي آينده خودشان باشند
A rough translation would be who the hell are our fathers to decide for our future.

In Iraq during Saddam Husein's rein there were elections with huge turnouts. In soviet union there were elections. In north Korea they have elections. Having elections is NOT the right indicator of a country's level of democracy.
In Iran liberal parties are banned. Nationalist parties are banned. Socialist and Marxist parties are banned. Secular parties are banned. Dr Mossadegh's party is banned, its leaders are in jail. Only a select group of people approved by the guardian council are allowed to run. Even Islamists with slightly liberal views are not tolerated Election without political parties is just a joke.

Khobregan is just another sick show of " democacy " by the mullas. Alam al hoda, one of the members of the council explicitly said we have no power in observing the leader's performance.
مشهد- ایرنا- امام جمعه مشهد گفت: خبرگان، ناظر بر عملکرد رهبری نیستند چون رهبر ولی همه است و خبرگان نمی توانند بر عملکرد ولی خود نظارت کنند.

If participation in elections shows support for the ruling elite, in the last Israeli election 65 percent of Israeli Arabs participted. Hence, 2.5 million Arab residents of Israel are satisfied with what they have.

The reason Iranians are not in the streets is because under the current circumstances we recognize that the weakening of the central government could lead to the collapse of the entire country and ultimately its partition. The costs of a revolution is just too high. That's why we are giving the gradual reformation a chance.

Sir, your posts are truly amazing.

 

[Siavash]

The reason Iranians are not in the streets is because under the current circumstances we recognize that the weakening of the central government could lead to the collapse of the entire country and ultimately its partition. The costs of a revolution is just too high. That's why we are giving the gradual reformation a chance.

Well said! the rest was good I liked this most! Since Mongol time Iranian population has showed they do their best to change from within but if that blocked they will not stay idle! Velayat Faghih if proven to be an obstacle to Iran's political growth, with all its power would not stand a chance by popular movement that will inform Iranians of its nuisance and if this is widespread and believed by most Iranians at any time the establishment days are numbered. Don't doubt it. Right now as the above member said its collective conscious understanding that there is a bigger fish to fry! and country is in danger.

 

[SipahSalar]

hey buddy @SipahSalar , I'm just curious, is this "DESTROYER" nuclear powered!??!

It has left nuclear power far behind, it is powered by an advanced "biological-mechanical" turbine.

 

[Archie]

I cant understand, as to why does Iran Classify a 1400 Ton warship as a destroyer
while its classification in international naval parlance is a Corvette or Missile Boat.

Indian Navy's 1800 Ton Sukanya class warships which carry the Nuclear capable Dhanush Ballistic missiles are classified as Off shore Patrol Vessels in the Indian Navy

 

[The Last of us]

I cant understand, as to why does Iran Classify a 1400 Ton warship as a destroyer
while its classification in international naval parlance is a Corvette or Missile Boat.

Indian Navy's 1800 Ton Sukanya class warships which carry the Nuclear capable Dhanush Ballistic missiles are classified as Off shore Patrol Vessels in the Indian Navy

How many times do Iranian members have to address this?

There is no such thing as a "destroyer" in Iranian vocabulary. They call naval warship as "nev shakan" which can translate to either frigate, destroyer etc etc. There is no specific words for destroyer and frigate. Besides, you're acting as if there is a objective definition of a destroyer. These definitions are arbitrary to begin with.

 

[scythian500]

If participation in elections shows support for the ruling elite, in the last Israeli election 65 percent of Israeli Arabs participted. Hence, 2.5 million Arab residents of Israel are satisfied with what they have.

the same goes to Iranian rates of election participation... if it is true then the majority of Iranians are satisfied with what they have!!

. siasathaye jomhuree islamee naghsh ziadi dar in tanafor be voojood amade bazi mikone.

in nefrate 2tarafe sad ha sale ke be hamin sheddat ya hatta gahan ghavitar vojoud dashte... etefaghan IR be nazare man ba hameye talash resane haye arabi, hanooz mahboobtar az regime shahanshahi nazde MARDOME torko arab hastesh... ba ghesmati az harfat ham movafegham vali ba ye ghasmatish ham mokhalef... IR dar ye janbe hayee khoob ta ali amal karde..dar barkhi janbe ha zaeef ta eftezah amal karde... vali in dalil nemishe biam ba doshmanan iran va irani bekham darde del konam va bade keshvaram ro begam....niyatet harchi bashe daste akhar, asaresh manfi hast...ham baraye keshvar, mardomesh va ham khodam... tamame mardome donya vaghti raje be keshvareshoon sohbat mikonan na tanha eghragh mikonan balke saresh mijangan... Iran dar 100 sale gozashte ro agar motale'e koni mibini ke ba hameye bala hayee ke sare keshvar oomade...che az bi orzegi va che az bad shansi... irane sale 2015 ziad ham bad naboode...doroste hanooz be jaygahe khodesh nareside... ishallah mirese...be sharti ke har kodoom az ma irooni ha bejaye ghor ghor bikhod...ya hamdasti ba doshmanane khooni in mardom va mihan, bargardim iran, ya az hamoon kharej, baraye pishrafte hame janebeye keshvar kar konim...har kasi be nobeye khodesh... enteghad va jangidan baraye taghir dar dakhel va beine khodi ha bayad bashe...vali hamin ke be khareji ha resid bayad faghat az iran khoob goft va defa kard... hich doshmane irani az inke shoma biay raje be keshvaret bad begi (harchand reality bashe) narahat nemishe va behet ahsant nemifresteh...

vali besharat midam be hameye irooni ha... iran varede faze jadidi az tarikhesh shode.. in faz ichallah faze sarbolandi va eftekhar va pishrafte... inbar omidvaram mardom ham be nobeye khodeshoon khoob amal konan va komaki bashand baraye khok va mardomeshoon

 

[Madali]

the same goes to Iranian rates of election participation... if it is true then the majority of Iranians are satisfied with what they have!!


in nefrate 2tarafe sad ha sale ke be hamin sheddat ya hatta gahan ghavitar vojoud dashte... etefaghan IR be nazare man ba hameye talash resane haye arabi, hanooz mahboobtar az regime shahanshahi nazde MARDOME torko arab hastesh... ba ghesmati az harfat ham movafegham vali ba ye ghasmatish ham mokhalef... IR dar ye janbe hayee khoob ta ali amal karde..dar barkhi janbe ha zaeef ta eftezah amal karde... vali in dalil nemishe biam ba doshmanan iran va irani bekham darde del konam va bade keshvaram ro begam....niyatet harchi bashe daste akhar, asaresh manfi hast...ham baraye keshvar, mardomesh va ham khodam... tamame mardome donya vaghti raje be keshvareshoon sohbat mikonan na tanha eghragh mikonan balke saresh mijangan... Iran dar 100 sale gozashte ro agar motale'e koni mibini ke ba hameye bala hayee ke sare keshvar oomade...che az bi orzegi va che az bad shansi... irane sale 2015 ziad ham bad naboode...doroste hanooz be jaygahe khodesh nareside... ishallah mirese...be sharti ke har kodoom az ma irooni ha bejaye ghor ghor bikhod...ya hamdasti ba doshmanane khooni in mardom va mihan, bargardim iran, ya az hamoon kharej, baraye pishrafte hame janebeye keshvar kar konim...har kasi be nobeye khodesh... enteghad va jangidan baraye taghir dar dakhel va beine khodi ha bayad bashe...vali hamin ke be khareji ha resid bayad faghat az iran khoob goft va defa kard... hich doshmane irani az inke shoma biay raje be keshvaret bad begi (harchand reality bashe) narahat nemishe va behet ahsant nemifresteh...

vali besharat midam be hameye irooni ha... iran varede faze jadidi az tarikhesh shode.. in faz ichallah faze sarbolandi va eftekhar va pishrafte... inbar omidvaram mardom ham be nobeye khodeshoon khoob amal konan va komaki bashand baraye khok va mardomeshoon

The proof, as they say, is in the pudding.

Iranians haven't revolted en masse against the current government, so, logically, it has enough support.

Does this mean everyone loves IRI and agrees on every single thing, and has pictures of Khameini in their wallet? No, of course not. You have 80 million people with 80 million views.

Even among the government, you won't find people thinking the same. Even among the Guardian Council or Majlis or Assembly of Experts, they don't agree on a lot of things.

Keep in mind that IRI is an evolving system, that's the best thing about it. We used to have a Prime Minister! We don't anymore. Laws are constantly changing. I remember a time when families hid their music tapes in their house and now you have concerts in Burj Milad. Should be there be more concerts? Some believe so and are pushing for it. Should there be less concerns? Some believe so and are pushing for it.

The changes that are happening in Iran are a constant struggle between various groups to bring in the changes they believe in. But most reforms are LOCAL reforms, which is why we have one of the most stable countries in the region, EVEN though we have so many enemies!

One final thing. I sincerely believe Iran is one of the most democratic countries in the world. First of all, we need to define what democracy means. Democracy is a system of government, it's not a system of values! I've seen the word "democracy" be used in a lot of silly ways. For example, they say, if a country doesn't have certain rights for its people, then it's not democratic. Why? What has that got to do with the meaning of the word?

So, here's one definition,
"A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives"

It has nothing to do with equal rights or tolerance or loving each other or not setting anyone on fire. It's a political structure. We like to make every word emotionally laden which, of course, makes it hard for people to understand reality.

As an example, imagine a small village in the middle of nowhere. These village has 100 citizens. They decide to have a democratic system. They vote in 5 people to form a council to pass laws. The first law they pass is to execute anyone with red hair. The village has 99 people with black hair and most of them hate people with red heads. They have a stupid belief that anyone with red hair is the child of the devil. There are a few tolerant people among them, but as a whole, they all hate red heads. So, once the vote is passed, everyone is happy. To make it even more democratic, they take a vote on the law, and find that 90% of them vote "YES" on "LAW 3833 EXECUTE RED?"

That might be morally repulsive, but it's democratic.