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You are deluded if you think that this is a victory for India. There is a reason why, according to media reports, India is still trying to change Tehran's mind.

Iran gave India more leniency and credit in this project because India discovered the gas field. But Indian subservience to American policy has shattered Iran's patience.
Forget US, Name one European bank that has agreed to provide loans for economic projects in Iran.
That's right, not a single one. Of course India can't do anything as Iran's reputation is so low no major global banks will provide loans for projects in Iran.
Infact not just loans, European banks refused to provide even banking channels that were needed for this project as certain oil field equipment are made by western companies only.
 
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There is a reason why, according to media reports, India is still trying to change Tehran's mind.
That isnjust feel good report for media. India knows nothing can happen as no European company will provide the necessary support for the project. It's Irans job to convince Europe to be lenient on Iran and not India's
 
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India’s Loss of Farzad-B is Only the Beginning

The PTI news agency has quoted ‘sources’ in New Delhi to the effect that the Farzad-B gas field project in Iran is slipping out of India’s hands. The curtain seems to have come down on the negotiations between the ONGC Videsh and Iran’s National Iranian Oil Company.

The official narrative is that there was a gap in pricing that couldn’t be bridged. Others say Iran lost interest.

Oil and gas are strategic minerals and it is only very rarely that ‘friendly price’ is offered. If at all, it will be for political reasons of an exceptional nature.

When it comes to Farzad-B gas fields, three other factors also come into play. One, the gas fields contain massive reserves (estimated to be around 21.7 trillion cubic feet.) That is to say, even tiny price variations can make exponential difference to Iran’s income.

Second, Iran may be sceptical about ONGC’s capacity to handle Farzad-B. ONGC Videsh is a minority shareholder in most of its projects overseas. It has 14 producing assets across several countries but depends predominantly (around 60 percent) on Russia for its annual output.

Recent reports suggested that due to a natural decline in fields and production cut commitments by key producers (following the OPEC+ decisions), ONGC Videsh is scaling down its capex plans (as, indeed, most upstream companies worldwide.)

Third, ONGC Videsh is also involved in exploration work in Israel as part of an Indian Consortium of government companies with participating interest of 25 percent. Now, Farzad-B is located on the Iran-Saudi maritime boundary in the Persian Gulf which is a hugely sensitive area.

Israel is increasingly a factor now in the geopolitics of the Gulf. Suffice to say, it was an incredibly foolish move on the part of the government to have pushed the ONGC Videsh into acquiring exploratory assets in Israel. (It followed PM Modi’s high-profile visit to Israel in July 2017.)

It seems the Modi government got bamboozled by the Israelis. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu does quick thinking usually, and his intention might have been to torpedo the ONGC Videsh’s Farzad-B project where the Indian company had successfully done exploration work as far back as in 2008, established the huge potential for business and was on the home stretch negotiating the terms for production and marketing.

The ONGC Videsh’s contract in Israel runs till 2021. A sensational report with a shrill title in the Oil Price magazine today suggests that Israelis are smirking that they successfully killed a mega energy project that would have given a massive boost to India-Iran relations for a very long time to come.

Meanwhile, a 25-year, $400 billion economic pact between China and Iran is in the final stages of approval. Iran’s foreign policies are pragmatic and flexible but far from ad-hoc. Iran is a regional power and in the long game globally.

If the estimation was that a stopover in Tehran by External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar in September would mollify Iran, things didn’t happen exactly that way. The lesson from Farzad-B is: Friendship should not be taken for granted and a beneficial relationship needs to be based on mutual interest and mutual respect.

But the loss of Farzad-B is only the beginning. The India-Iran relationship awaits a strategic setback. Looking ahead, the forthcoming Malabar Exercise with Australia’s participation heralds a tumultuous period ahead where India and Iran’s core interests will no longer be reconcilable.

Without doubt, India’s Quad strategy will complicate its relations with Iran. None of the Persian Gulf states (or Israel) will want to be part of the Quad, either, since they are in the same predicament as the ASEAN countries — stakeholders in a thriving economic partnership with China.

As the Quad navvies cruise together “submarine-hunting” in the Indian Ocean from their bases in India or Diego Garcia, the military alliance will loom large in Iran’s security calculus as a security challenge, especially in the northern tier of the Arabian Sea where Iran has a string of naval bases.

To be sure, the unfolding militarisation of the Indian Ocean” will only be seen as an expansionist policy by a host of regional powers — not only China but also Pakistan, Iran and, possibly, Russia — and most littoral states along Africa’s east coast.

It will isolate India in its region and will provoke counter-strategies eventually to contain India’s ambitions. After all, there is nothing like absolute security. No amount of waffling by Indian diplomats that Quad is not be regarded as anything more than the BRICS or SCO will convince India’s neighbours.

Agree, it's a tough balancing act for India, especially given India's close political and military ties with Israel and even more so India's semi alliance with the U.S in Quad in India Ocean which seats close to Iran's Persian gulf and will be negatively viewed by Tehran as a threat to its interests. Its a tricky one for India since they also need US help to balance China's superior position vis a vis them, however getting too close to the U.S or allying with the U.S also has its own risks of affecting India's relations with it's other partners like Iran and most of all Russia.
However, i believe looking at things from a bigger perspective, If India can't prioritise solving its border dispute with China (this will involve both sides making concessions), then the best course of action is for them to fully ally themselves with the U.S . Since they can receive more benefits doing so, that's if they cant solve their issue with China(which is merely a border dispute issue). .
 
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Good decision for Iran. If you can develop it yourself all benefits
I am surprised that we are seeing tectonic events take place on our western borders but little coverage is being given by Pakistani media and or discussed on PDF. Thanks for tagging me. The two events are -

  • Afghanistan. Taliban are now well on their way to gaining some share in the power structure of Kabul. This means reduced Indian influence. Notice reduced. I don't think we can go back to pre 2001 but still compared to what has been the status quo for last 18 years this is fantastic news for Pakistan and a disaster for India. Pakistan's policy of secretly supporting Taliban has been vindicated. The changes taking place now in Pakistan offer immense scope for Pakistan with help of China to squeeze India out. We saw Gulbudin Hikmatyar's recent visit to Pakistan underling the change.

  • Iran. Until recently Indian's on this very forum used to taunt us and sing songs about Chah Bahar and some of our sectarian zombies would claim Iran would give Chah to Indian Navy. I always argued that India's sucking of US and Israeli testicles was conficting with Indian embrace of Iran and at sometime push would come to shove when India would have to make a hard choice. USA or Iran. I also told the Indians and Iranians India would drop Iran. The Indian's would reply with "we are not Pakistan". We don't get pushed etc.

Well, well. Thanks to Trump [we badly need Trump to win again as he is the best thing that could happen for Pakistan] Iran was hot hard and India effectively had to make a choice when New Delhi was told "stop buying Iranian oil". I would love to ask all those bragging Indians today how much oil does India buy from Iran this year? India has stopped buying Iranian oil and looks to Arab suppliers now etc.

Even better China has moved into Iran and signed a $400 billion deal. Thus Pakistan's ally is gaining ground in Iran. All this again offers Pakistan working with China immense opportunities in Iran.

From my perspective I have always said we made a choice in 1947. We did not want to be part of a Indian order. If we turned our back to the east in 1947 the natural choice is look west and north. With north [China] we have done well. Now we need to sorrt out our relationships ith neighbours to the west which offers untold opportunities. CPEC can be enlarged into a larger Af-Pak Iran China Corridor to later spread into Central Asia and link up with Turkey.
I always said this would happen. If there are members from few years ago they will know my thoughts on this subject.
Have I had interaction with you before?

Can Pakistan get through US pressure to buy Iranian gas etc though? Indians already flapped it.
 
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No, the same. If I recall, we last commented on a thread relating to Iran's deal with China, but it was literally just one comment.
I ask because there were couple of Iranian members that resonated with my views. One I believe was a doctor. Dunno if he is still around. I have forgotten his name. That is why I asked. And you know I have always regarded Iran as a pivot state. At the point of sounding arrogant most PDF members are semi- literate kids barking away. But the reality is Iran holds the key to our regions prosperity. Pakistani;s may sing more about Turkey or Saudia but our future rests in Tehran. A quick review of history will show that. I will develop on this later.
 
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Members are advised to not Insult / Flamebait / Troll each other. These posts lead to unproductive chain of responses and ruin ongoing conversation by extension. Even REPORTING becomes pointless in this dynamic.

Next responses should be mature.
 
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Today's news:

Iran expresses readiness to accept Pakistani investment in Chabahar

Islamabad, Oct 21, IRNA -- Islamic Republic of Iran has announced its readiness to accept the investment from Pakistani businessmen and companies in Chabahar Special Economic Zone, Mirjaveh and the new Rimdan border crossing.

Iran has ben saying same thing for 3 yrs now but nothing has happened as Pakistani minister himself admitted Pak-Iran ties strangled by USAs sanctions. The volume of Pak Iran trade itself proves it:
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Can Pakistan get through US pressure to buy Iranian gas etc though? Indians already flapped it.
Not in the next few years but that possibility exists and is contingent on rise of China. As it rises and it is every year US ability to dictate Pakistan reduces. The Iran-China compact is now inevitable. You can see India moving over to USA, Saudia Arabia, UAE opening to Israel. As PMIK saiud Pakistan's future is with China. All else follows from that.
Can Pakistan get through US pressure to buy Iranian gas etc though? Indians already flapped it.
The reason I have always had pro Iran bias is not just my love of history and Persia's incredible role in our part of the world. There are more realistic reasons for that.

Think. What is crippling Pakistan? Energy. Now think. Who has some of worlds largest gas and oil reserves? Right next door to us in Iran. We should be drowning in cheap energy. But alas because of American policy and our sectarian hatreds it been denied. Now also think about the Iranian marker. A huge prpsperous market for our products. If Iran and Pakistan worked together it would be win win and I believe this will happen under Chinese oversight as we move forward and the dragons economic power gains ground.
 
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UAE and GCC will also see this.
UAE and the GCC are in it for the market, and likely will continue to engage with India so long as they see the potential to make money.

Sanctions on Iran made it extremely hard for India to engage with Iran economically - we'll have to wait and see if that remains the case if/when US sanctions are removed from Iran.

All nations act in their own interests after all.
 
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UAE and the GCC are in it for the market, and likely will continue to engage with India so long as they see the potential to make money.

Sanctions on Iran made it extremely hard for India to engage with Iran economically - we'll have to wait and see if that remains the case if/when US sanctions are removed from Iran.

All nations act in their own interests after all.
The Indian dream is to partner USA and become the next tool to potentially control the growth of China. Naturally for India there was no “choice” or “decision pending” - the decision to ditch future expansions with Iran was an easy one.
Frankly have a lot of admiration for the way Iran has managed to duck and dive and survive with all the sanctions and pressure thrown upon them. The relationship was seemed to fail from the start....
 
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and yet just 1 city in alone gets more tourist then your entire nation.
I think most of them are caught by the Muslim heritage and not the local sewer life. Example being the Taj Mahal which India uses as it's brand logo.
The Indian dream is to partner USA
The Americans fooled by few brahmins and ex-pat trading Gujjus and dozen Parsee's think India will be what Germany became for them in Europe. They will be sorely disappointed.
 
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The Indian dream is to partner USA and become the next tool to potentially control the growth of China. Naturally for India there was no “choice” or “decision pending” - the decision to ditch future expansions with Iran was an easy one.
Frankly have a lot of admiration for the way Iran has managed to duck and dive and survive with all the sanctions and pressure thrown upon them. The relationship was seemed to fail from the start....




Now why would india need to partner up with america when the indians on pdf have been telling us for over a decade that india is a superpower?......... :disagree:
 
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