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Iran and India have similar views on Afghanistan

Sri Lanka and Bangladesh pressurize India ? Do you know India has more soldiers, warplanes, ships and weapons than Pakistan, Srilanka, Bangladesh combined.

China won't go to war on behalf of Pakistan against India. We are good for business for them.

China and Russia still supports Iran even if Russia refused to give some weapons. China still imports large amount of oil from Iran.

If I remember correctly, KSA is also working along with India regarding terrorism and it handed over Jundal even when Pakistan asked them to give it to you. They have also asked for stopping terrorist camps in your country.

Look at all aspects especially the economic aspect. India is a huge market and trusted ally of Iran. We didn't stop importing oil from Iran even when US asked to do so. In the end, they made us exception to trade with Iran.

Iranian people knows who left them in time of need and they know India didn't. Of course, we did it for our national interest and maintained our relations with Iran but we also showed our support to Iran too.

Sri Lanka has already let you down with the Tamils you supported. BD's military is growing. Soon they will get JF-17s and J-10s. The bottom line is China and Pakistan have created their intelligence bases and the next target is Assam.

Now lets go back to middle east's situation.

KSA backed Pakistan in every war. Heck they funded our nuclear program and went as far as offering India money to buy Kashmir. No mater how much we and Iran disagree with each other, we will not loose each other. The Taliban, the Baluchistan unrest, and the U.S invasion on Iran's nuclear sites from Pakistan will stay as a matter for concern. So buckle up your seat belt cuz Pakistan is not loosing both KSA and Iran. The Shah days of Iran and the Faisal days of Saudi Arabia were both all time high in one period. This previous success is what we are trying to come back to.

India can do whatever it wants. Be it make money out of the relation, we Pakistanis don't give a damn. Its your government and your personal thing. Yes if you are going to go and make policies that will be seen trying to destabilize us, then we will have to raise our voices. In my previous post, i mentioned what could happen if you were to put us into a war situation.
 
Sri Lanka has already let you down with the Tamils you supported. BD's military is growing. Soon they will get JF-17s and J-10s. The bottom line is China and Pakistan have created their intelligence bases and the next target is Assam.
Now lets go back to middle east's situation.
KSA backed Pakistan in every war. Heck they funded our nuclear program and went as far as offering India money to buy Kashmir. No mater how much we and Iran disagree with each other, we will not loose each other. The Taliban, the Baluchistan unrest, and the U.S invasion on Iran's nuclear sites from Pakistan will stay as a matter for concern. So buckle up your seat belt cuz Pakistan is not loosing both KSA and Iran. The Shah days of Iran and the Faisal days of Saudi Arabia were both all time high in one period. This previous success is what we are trying to come back to.
India can do whatever it wants. Be it make money out of the relation, we Pakistanis don't give a damn. Its your government and your personal thing. Yes if you are going to go and make policies that will be seen trying to destabilize us, then we will have to raise our voices. In my previous post, i mentioned what could happen if you were to put us into a war situation.
You said few mins and took hours to respond ? You got held up at some place?

BTW Srilanka and Bangladesh don't even have one squadron comparable to Indian ones. Even Pakistan is waiting for J-10Bs and you are expecting BD to buy this 4.5 gen plane. Anything they are going to buy in near future are F-7 BGI which are not even better than Mig-21 Bison. By the time they will start buying something like J-10Bs, India will have Rafale (starting by 2015 )and FGFA (starting by 2020) in its inventory along with AESA and Brahmos equipped Super Sukhois. I won't even bring AESA equipped LCA MK-II ( starting by 2016-2017).

Compare Indian navy with Pakistan, Srilanka and BD combined. Our Carrier Battle group with Mig-29K on Vikramaditya with escort by Destroyers, Kolkata class frigates and Scorpene submarines which will be sufficient for either for Srilanka or Bangladesh alone.

As for next target for Assam, Pakistan will be occupied at its western front for years to come. Baluchistan is whole other problem. China is already moving forward to increase its ties with India and what Indian media say about China and India's relation is not true.

The time when KSA used to back Pakistan is over. Ask any senior pakistani member whether they see KSA as an important ally of Pakistan in future, they will tell you how the dynamics have changed. As I said, India offers much more to KSA than Pakistan does. KSA is trying to diversify its economy from oil. That's why it is keen to invest hundreds of billions of dollars in India. Do you think at one place they will invest in India and at the same time support anti-India elements ?

As for Iran, Shah days are well gone. Iran has been supporter of Northern alliance so has been India. Iran and India have important stakes in Afghanistan. Iran wants Sunni dominant Taliban out of power to ensure security conditions of Iran at its border with Pakistan. They want Shia majority or neutral power in Afghanistan. Hell, even Iran gave intelligence to US during its raid against Afghanistan. India has already invested billions in Chahbhar port and is important trade partner of sanction hit Iran. Iran can't let go ally like India who is still importing oil from it even after US pressure.

India is using its economy and its market to get allies of Pakistan to either come to its side or to remain neutral. India is already successful in blocking important funds allocation to Pakistan by ADB and WB.

India won't create war like situation with Pakistan at its borders. Why would we ? India's focus is on supporting pro-India govt. in Afghanistan. US has already shown its stay in Afghanistan post-2014 where it has planned to station 25,000 troops in Afghanistan to assist ANA and in non-combat operations, i.e ensuring training and improvement of ANA.

India has more to offer to any country than Pakistan does. Only country that is beside Pakistan is China which in recent times have shown its opposition and worry regarding Islamic terrorist organizations working on Pakistan's soil which is threat to its Muslim dominant Xinjiang province.

Kindly look at all aspects. There are no real friends or foes in International Diplomacy. All that matters is National Interest. And in this time, most of the nations see better ties with India as more important for their national interest. It all comes down to who offers more and I think you know the answer.
 
We should strengthen our ties with Iran even more. Iran will turn out to be important ally especially in field of science and technology after few years. We should start laying foundation for better relations with Iran.

Considering their growth in Science and technology, they can also start cooperative development with us. Knowledge transfer will be beneficial for both the countries. We should look beyond a decade.


We should strengthen our ties with Iran even more. Iran will turn out to be important ally especially in field of science and technology after few years. We should start laying foundation for better relations with Iran.

Why haven't you done this already?

Considering their growth in Science and technology, they can also start cooperative development with us. Knowledge transfer will be beneficial for both the countries. We should look beyond a decade.

Knowledge transfer? Buddy my University has more knowledge than your two nations combined.
 
Yes,But we don't kill Afghans or other people for sake of Iranians,that's the difference.

US is whole another story,they are used to kill people of other countries for sake of their own people,and you did the same.

who said pakistanis killed afghans?? you guys have been closer to soviets than we have been and pakistan had to endure millions of afghan refugees both pashtuns and iran loving shias, the way pakistan treats afghan refugees the afghan would only dream of in iran
 
Why haven't you done this already?
Knowledge transfer? Buddy my University has more knowledge than your two nations combined.
We are already building strong ties with Iran.

And btw which University do you study ? Don't make idiotic claims. Can your University send probe to moon ?
 
who said pakistanis killed afghans?? you guys have been closer to soviets than we have been and pakistan had to endure millions of afghan refugees both pashtuns and iran loving shias, the way pakistan treats afghan refugees the afghan would only dream of in iran

I didn't say you killed,I said you supported the group (Taliban) that killed thousands of Afghans and now is killing even Pakistanis.
 
You said few mins and took hours to respond ? You got held up at some place?

BTW Srilanka and Bangladesh don't even have one squadron comparable to Indian ones. Even Pakistan is waiting for J-10Bs and you are expecting BD to buy this 4.5 gen plane. Anything they are going to buy in near future are F-7 BGI which are not even better than Mig-21 Bison. By the time they will start buying something like J-10Bs, India will have Rafale and PAK-FA in its inventory along with AESA and Brahmos equipped Super Sukhois. I won't even bring AESA equipped LCA MK-II.

Compare Indian navy with Pakistan, Srilanka and BD combined. Our Carrier Battle grup with Mig-29K on Vikramaditya with escort with Kolkata class frigates and Scorpene submarines will be sufficient for either for Srilanka or Bangladesh alone.

As for next target for Assam, Pakistan will be occupied at its western front for years to come. Baluchistan is whole other problem. China is already moving forward to increase its ties with India and what Indian media say about China and India's relation is not true.

The time when KSA used to back Pakistan is over. Ask any senior pakistani member whether they see KSA as an important ally of Pakistan in future, they will tell you how the dynamics have changed. As I said, India offers much more to KSA than Pakistan does. KSA is trying to diversify its economy from oil. That's why it is keen to invest hundreds of billions of dollars in India. Do you think at one place they will invest in India and at the same time support anti-India elements ?

As for Iran, Shah days are well gone. Iran has been supporter of Northern alliance so has been India. Iran and India have important stakes in Afghanistan. Iran wants Sunni dominant Taliban out of power to ensure security conditions of Iran at its border with Pakistan. They want Shia majority or neutral power in Afghanistan. Hell, even Iran gave intelligence to US during its raid against Afghanistan. India has already invested billions in Chahbhar port and is important trade partner of sanction hit Iran. Iran can't let go ally like India who is still importing oil from it even after US pressure.

India is using its economy and its market to get allies of Pakistan to either come to its side or to remain neutral. India is already successful in blocking important funds allocation to Pakistan by ADB and WB.

India won't create war like situation with Pakistan at its borders. Why would we ? India's focus is on supporting pro-India govt. in Afghanistan. US has already shown its stay in Afghanistan post-2014 where it has planned to station 25,000 troops in Afghanistan to assist ANA and in non-combat operations, i.e ensuring training and improvement of ANA.

India has more to offer to any country than Pakistan does. Only country that is beside Pakistan is China which in recent times have shown its opposition and worry regarding Islamic terrorist organizations working on Pakistan's soil which is threat to its Muslim dominant Xinjiang province.

Kindly look at all aspects. There are no real friends or foes in International Diplomacy. All that matters is National Interest. And in this time, most of the nations see better ties with India as more important for their national interest. It all comes down to who offers more and I think you know the answer.


Yes yes we all know that you will get LCA MK2, maybe after we see the MK1 develop first. No doubt PAKFA and Rafales will be on board. We have discussed all this in military threads. Its nothing but yet another future and one sided response. :rofl:

How about if i mention PAF getting JF-17 Block 2 (with AESA radar), JF-17 Block 3 (Stealthy), F-16 Block 52s, J-10B and J-31 eh?Sorry but it goes all back to square one. Like it or not BD and Sri Lanka and BD are one of fastest growing economies in South Asia. It automatically means an increase in defence spending.

India has a lot to offer, but not what Pakistan is known and made its mark for. Did India fight with those Arab nations against Israel? How about standing by Iran against Israel? Absolutely NOT! We are an Islamic country, and proud to have a history of being part of the Islamic Civilization. We will always come first. You can make money from them (Arabs or Iranians) all you want, it was proven from the Islamic empire days that you were very good traders. So its nothing new. We realize your skill, but you can't make us fight or replace us !

After they (Iranians) see what you will do to our Balochistan, then i'll see the relationship with India...
 
I didn't say you killed,I said you supported the group (Taliban) that killed thousands of Afghans and now is killing even Pakistanis.
You are wasting your time. They always blame others for their problem. At one place they take credit of defeating Soviets by helping Taliban whereas at the same time say they don't have anything to do with Taliban.

Most of the Pakistanis believe in some external hand in every problem of theirs. This denial from admitting their own faults is the main reason for their problems.
 
You are wasting your time. They always blame others for their problem. At one place they take credit of defeating Soviets by helping Taliban whereas at the same time say they don't have anything to do with Taliban.

Most of the Pakistanis believe in some external hand in every problem of theirs. This denial from admitting their own faults is the main reason for their problems.

Don't twist the context. You were sitting in Soviet lap to invade Afghanistan.
Also please refrain from your Chanakya's philosophies, one of which included taking over Iran.
 
Yes yes we all know that you will get LCA MK2, maybe after we see the MK1 develop first. No doubt PAKFA and Rafales will be on board. We have discussed all this in military threads. Its nothing but yet another future and one sided response. :rofl:

How about if i mention PAF getting JF-17 Block 2 (with AESA radar), JF-17 Block 3 (Stealthy), F-16 Block 52s, J-10B and J-31 eh?Sorry but it goes all back to square one. Like it or not BD and Sri Lanka and BD are one of fastest growing economies in South Asia. It automatically means an increase in defence spending.
India has a lot to offer, but not what Pakistan is known and made its mark for. Did India fight with those Arab nations against Israel? How about standing by Iran against Israel? Absolutely NOT! We are an Islamic country, and proud to have a history of being part of the Islamic Civilization. We will always come first. You can make money from them (Arabs or Iranians) all you want, it was proven from the Islamic empire days that you were very good traders. So its nothing new. We realize your skill, but you can't make us fight!
After they (Iranians) see what you will do to our Balochistan, then i'll see...
What Islamic brotherhood ? Iraq used chemical weapons on Iran. Even KSA has said it will allow Israel to let them use its airspace if Israel attack Iran. UAE don't want Gwadar to develop. You have conflict within your various sects We don't have to make you fight with them. All we can do is take them away from you. If you want to ignore recent events and years, you can do that. Live in denial and this virtual world of United Islamic front. Iran and KSA will never back Pakistan against India.

What I told you are done deals even if I take out LCA and PAK-FA. Still Super Sukhois and Rafale are way ahead in technological edge. Nuclear submarine, Anti-Ballistic Missile Defense, spy satellites etc. India have all these. Srilanka and BD are kids in case of military might. Go to any military thread about India's beefing up its military. So I won't lecture on military might as you are expecting BEST case scenario for BD and Srilanka whereas WORST case scenario for India. Even then, odds are in India's favor. Better take advice from some senior poster regarding Indian military's future and where it stands against Srilanka and BD.
 
Don't twist the context. You were sitting in Soviet lap to invade Afghanistan.
Also please refrain from your Chankiya's philosophies, one of which included taking over Iran.
Buddy you need to read more threads on PDF and history. Of course we wanted Soviet to succeed in Afghanistan but we were not going to invade Afghanistan.

India never wanted and want taking over Iran. They are our allies.
 
What Islamic brotherhood. Iraq used chemical weapons on Iran. Even KSA has said it will allow Israel to use its airspace if they attack Iran. UAE don't want Gwadar to develop. We don't have to make you fight with them. All we can do is take them away from you. If you want to ignore recent events and years, you can do that. Live in denial and this virtual world of United Islamic front. Iran and KSA will never back Pakistan against India.

What I told you are done deals even if I take out LCA and PAK-FA. Still Super Sukhois and Rafale are way ahead in technological edge. Nuclear submarine, Anti-Ballistic Missile Defense, spy satellites etc. India have all these. Srilanka and BD are kids in case of military might. Go to any military thread about India's beefing up its military. So I won't lecture on military might as you are expecting BEST case scenario for BD and Srilanka whereas WORST case scenario for India. Even then, odds are in India's favor. Better take advice from some senior poster regarding Indian military's future and where it stands against Srilanka and BD.

It was the U.S and Israel who made them fight. Everyone knows that they supplied weapons to both Iraq and Iran.

KSA allowing air space to Israel is still a mystery. Innocent until proven guilty.

As far as Iran and Saudi Arabia's support to Pakistan is concerned, they have done that always. Please stop deluding yourself every time.

Sure money makes the world go round. However keep in mind of this analogy. 'Thalee do haath say baaj thee hain' (Clapping starts from two hands) :azn:

And BTW, we have done deals.
JF-17 Block2, Block3 and J-10B. Most likely J-31 will be exported.
Besides, 120+ nuclear warheads and stealthy missiles (cruise) is the edge.
 
It was the U.S and Israel who made them fight. Everyone knows that they supplied weapons to both Iraq and Iran.

KSA allowing air space to Israel is still a mystery. Innocent until proven guilty.

As far as Iran and Saudi Arabia's support to Pakistan is concerned, they have done that always. Please stop deluding yourself every time.

Sure money makes the world go round. However keep in mind of this analogy. 'Thalee do haath say baaj thee hain' (Clapping starts from two hands) :azn:

And BTW, we have done deals.
JF-17 Block2, Block3 and J-10B. Most likely J-31 will be exported.
Besides, 120+ nuclear warheads and stealthy missiles (cruise) is the edge.

That is not the edge but the destruction of the whole of South Asia and radiation across the rest of the world. :disagree:
 
^ Well I can't make anyone accept the today's reality who is still stuck in pre 9/11 era.

BTW ask Oscar about when you will be getting J-10B. And as for J-31, well...:lol:

Take my suggestion and read the thread posted in Senior's cafe regarding changing scenario w.r.t. Pakistan and its allies.
 
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