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The 19-second video published by the New York Times last week showing the moment an Iranian missile hit a passenger jet has prompted much social media skepticism.

Questions arise about the improbable timing and circumstances of recording the precise moment when the plane was hit.

The newspaper ran the splash story on January 9, the day after a Ukrainian airliner was brought down near Tehran. It was headlined: 'Video Shows Ukrainian Plane Being Hit Over Iran'. All 176 people onboard were killed. Two days later, the Iranian military admitted that one of its air defense units had fired at the plane in the mistaken belief that it was an incoming enemy cruise missile.

"A smoking gun" was how NY Times' journalist Christiaan Triebert described the video in a tweet. Triebert works in the visual investigations team at the paper. In the same tweet, he thanked - "a very big shout out" - to an Iranian national by the name of Nariman Gharib "who provided it [the video] to the NY Times, and the videographer, who would like to remain anonymous".


The anonymous videographer is the person who caught the 19-second clip which shows a missile striking Flight PS752 shortly after take-off from Tehran's Imam Khomenei airport at around 6.15 am. This person, who remains silent during the filming while smoking a cigarette (the smoke briefly wafts over the screen), is standing in the suburb of Parand looking northwest. His location was verified by the NY Times using satellite data. The rapid way the newspaper's technical resources were marshaled raises a curious question about how a seemingly random video submission was afforded such punctilious attention.

But the big question which many people on social media are asking is: why was this "videographer" standing in a derelict industrial area outside Tehran at around six o'clock in the morning with a mobile phone camera training on a fixed angle to the darkened sky? The airliner is barely visible, yet the sky-watching person has the camera pointed and ready to film a most dramatic event, seconds before it happened. That strongly suggests foreknowledge.

Given that something awful has just been witnessed it is all the more strange that the person holding the camera remains calm and unshaken. There is no audible expression of shock or even the slightest disquiet.

Turns out that Nariman Gharib, the guy who received the video and credited by the NY Times for submitting it, is a vociferous anti-Iranian government dissident who does not live in Iran. He ardently promotes regime change in his social media posts.

Christiaan Triebert, the NY Times' video expert, who collaborated closely with Gharib to get the story out within hours of the incident, previously worked as a senior investigator at Bellingcat. Bellingcat calls itself an independent online investigative journalism project, but numerous critics accuse it of being a media adjunct to Western military intelligence. Bellingcat has been a big proponent of media narratives smearing the Russian and Syrian governments over the MH17 shoot-down in Ukraine in 2014 and chemical weapons attacks.

In the latest shoot-down of the airliner above Tehran, the tight liaison between a suspiciously placed anonymous videographer on the ground and an expatriate Iranian dissident who then gets the prompt and generous technical attention of the NY Times suggests a level of orchestration, not, as we are led to believe, a random happenstance submission. More sinisterly, the fateful incident was a setup.




It seems reasonable to speculate that in the early hours of January 8 a calamitous incident was contrived to happen. The shoot-down occurred only four hours after Iran attacked two US military bases in Iraq. Those attacks were in revenge for the American drone assassination on January 3 of Iran's top military commander, Maj. General Qassem Soleimani.

Subsequently, Iranian air-defense systems were on high alert for a possible counter-strike by US forces. Several reports indicate that the Iranian defense radars were detecting warnings of incoming enemy warplanes and cruise missiles on the morning of 8 January. It does seem odd why the Iranian authorities did not cancel all commercial flights out of Tehran during that period. Perhaps because civilian airliners can normally be differentiated by radar and other signals from military objects.

However, with the electronic warfare (EW) technology that the United States has developed in recent years it is entirely feasible for enemy military radars to be "spoofed" by phantom objects. One such EW developed by the Pentagon is Miniature Air-Launched Decoy (MALD) which can create deceptive signals on enemy radar systems of incoming warheads.

What we contend therefore is this: the Americans exploited a brink-of-war scenario in which they anticipated Iranian air-defense systems to be on a hair-trigger. Add to this tension an assault by electronic warfare on Iranian military radars in which it would be technically feasible to distort a civilian airliner's data as an offensive target. The Iranian military has claimed this was the nature of the shoot-down error. It seems plausible given the existing electronic warfare used by the Pentagon.

It's a fair, albeit nefarious, bet that the flight paths out of Tehran were deliberately put in an extremely dangerous position by the malicious assault from American electronic warfare. A guy placed on the ground scoping the outward flight paths - times known by publicly available schedules - would be thus on hand to catch the provoked errant missile shot.

The shoot-down setup would explain why Western intelligence were so quick to confidently assert what happened, contradicting Iran's initial claims of a technical onboard plane failure.
 
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The 19-second video published by the New York Times last week showing the moment an Iranian missile hit a passenger jet has prompted much social media skepticism.

Questions arise about the improbable timing and circumstances of recording the precise moment when the plane was hit.

The newspaper ran the splash story on January 9, the day after a Ukrainian airliner was brought down near Tehran. It was headlined: 'Video Shows Ukrainian Plane Being Hit Over Iran'. All 176 people onboard were killed. Two days later, the Iranian military admitted that one of its air defense units had fired at the plane in the mistaken belief that it was an incoming enemy cruise missile.

"A smoking gun" was how NY Times' journalist Christiaan Triebert described the video in a tweet. Triebert works in the visual investigations team at the paper. In the same tweet, he thanked - "a very big shout out" - to an Iranian national by the name of Nariman Gharib "who provided it [the video] to the NY Times, and the videographer, who would like to remain anonymous".


The anonymous videographer is the person who caught the 19-second clip which shows a missile striking Flight PS752 shortly after take-off from Tehran's Imam Khomenei airport at around 6.15 am. This person, who remains silent during the filming while smoking a cigarette (the smoke briefly wafts over the screen), is standing in the suburb of Parand looking northwest. His location was verified by the NY Times using satellite data. The rapid way the newspaper's technical resources were marshaled raises a curious question about how a seemingly random video submission was afforded such punctilious attention.

But the big question which many people on social media are asking is: why was this "videographer" standing in a derelict industrial area outside Tehran at around six o'clock in the morning with a mobile phone camera training on a fixed angle to the darkened sky? The airliner is barely visible, yet the sky-watching person has the camera pointed and ready to film a most dramatic event, seconds before it happened. That strongly suggests foreknowledge.

Given that something awful has just been witnessed it is all the more strange that the person holding the camera remains calm and unshaken. There is no audible expression of shock or even the slightest disquiet.

Turns out that Nariman Gharib, the guy who received the video and credited by the NY Times for submitting it, is a vociferous anti-Iranian government dissident who does not live in Iran. He ardently promotes regime change in his social media posts.

Christiaan Triebert, the NY Times' video expert, who collaborated closely with Gharib to get the story out within hours of the incident, previously worked as a senior investigator at Bellingcat. Bellingcat calls itself an independent online investigative journalism project, but numerous critics accuse it of being a media adjunct to Western military intelligence. Bellingcat has been a big proponent of media narratives smearing the Russian and Syrian governments over the MH17 shoot-down in Ukraine in 2014 and chemical weapons attacks.

In the latest shoot-down of the airliner above Tehran, the tight liaison between a suspiciously placed anonymous videographer on the ground and an expatriate Iranian dissident who then gets the prompt and generous technical attention of the NY Times suggests a level of orchestration, not, as we are led to believe, a random happenstance submission. More sinisterly, the fateful incident was a setup.




It seems reasonable to speculate that in the early hours of January 8 a calamitous incident was contrived to happen. The shoot-down occurred only four hours after Iran attacked two US military bases in Iraq. Those attacks were in revenge for the American drone assassination on January 3 of Iran's top military commander, Maj. General Qassem Soleimani.

Subsequently, Iranian air-defense systems were on high alert for a possible counter-strike by US forces. Several reports indicate that the Iranian defense radars were detecting warnings of incoming enemy warplanes and cruise missiles on the morning of 8 January. It does seem odd why the Iranian authorities did not cancel all commercial flights out of Tehran during that period. Perhaps because civilian airliners can normally be differentiated by radar and other signals from military objects.

However, with the electronic warfare (EW) technology that the United States has developed in recent years it is entirely feasible for enemy military radars to be "spoofed" by phantom objects. One such EW developed by the Pentagon is Miniature Air-Launched Decoy (MALD) which can create deceptive signals on enemy radar systems of incoming warheads.

What we contend therefore is this: the Americans exploited a brink-of-war scenario in which they anticipated Iranian air-defense systems to be on a hair-trigger. Add to this tension an assault by electronic warfare on Iranian military radars in which it would be technically feasible to distort a civilian airliner's data as an offensive target. The Iranian military has claimed this was the nature of the shoot-down error. It seems plausible given the existing electronic warfare used by the Pentagon.

It's a fair, albeit nefarious, bet that the flight paths out of Tehran were deliberately put in an extremely dangerous position by the malicious assault from American electronic warfare. A guy placed on the ground scoping the outward flight paths - times known by publicly available schedules - would be thus on hand to catch the provoked errant missile shot.

The shoot-down setup would explain why Western intelligence were so quick to confidently assert what happened, contradicting Iran's initial claims of a technical onboard plane failure.

Hi,

That was never a surprise---. The surprise would be to the pakistan Think Tank members of this forum and to those who think the proverbial " kill switches " are a fantasy---.

They have no clue what the US military can do---.

@dbc

You have an itch against me---get it out in the open.

@WebMaster please keep a leash on your dogs---. These worthless posters have not contributed any thing to the forum and yet they strut around as if the princes of the forum.
 
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Hi,

That was never a surprise---. The surprise would be to the pakistan Think Tank members of this forum and to those who think the proverbial " kill switches " are a fantasy---.

They have no clue what the US military can do---.

Seriously retarded conspiracy theory. Real people lost their lives in this incident.
Your post shows a callous disregard for human suffering. Besides the events of that day isn't even up for debate -the Iranians have taken full responsibility for the mishap.
 
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Seriously retarded conspiracy theory. Real people lost their lives in this incident.
Your post shows a callous disregard for human suffering. Besides the events of that day isn't even up for debate -the Iranians have taken full responsibility for the mishap.

Hi,

Iranians have taken blame because that is all they can do---.

Callous post MY FOOT---. Iranian responsibility means nothing---. if you don't have the brains for that as to what happened---get of out this think tank---but no---stay there---you already are in the community like your thinking---.

Why are the events of that day not up for debate---. Tumharay baap ka forum hai kia yeh---.

Is this your dad's forum that it cannot be debated---.

You just got the whif of the dragon's breath---in a short time---more info is coming out.

Remember the day when I wrote here that there were american aircraft on the fringes of strike on Iran---there were so many denails but in a few days the russian foreign misnister said the same---. Yet none of you loud mouths had the courage to apologize---.

@WebMaster control your boys---please.
 
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That was never a surprise---. The surprise would be to the pakistan Think Tank members of this forum and to those who think the proverbial " kill switches " are a fantasy---.

They have no clue what the US military can do---.
Why do you think people don't know this? India knows this and hence refuses to keep any critical components involving electronics of USA origin. Kill switches are not a fantasy. Even the encrypted communications are based on USA held encryption keys and USA can easily snoop. Those who have any partnership with USA have it out of greed and ideology rather than trust of USA.
 
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Why do you think people don't know this? India knows this and hence refuses to keep any critical components involving electronics of USA origin. Kill switches are not a fantasy. Even the encrypted communications are based on USA held encryption keys and USA can easily snoop. Those who have any partnership with USA have it out of greed and ideology rather than trust of USA.

Hi,

Because pakistanis are mentallly "thoughtlees"---. Even educated ones. Why do you think that this nation commits one stupid mistake after the other---. It is because of their mental capacity---.

Unless their Abba Ji ( ie father _ their Chacha Ji ( their uncle ) their Baray abba ( their grandfather ) or their elder brother had not stated about the US---then it is not true---.

That is where a pakistani stands on this world forum---.

And talk about those 'encrypting devices' that pakistan has that they bought from s swiss compnay that they thought was swiss owned but is actually owned jointly by a consortium of german and US intel agencies---.
 
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Seriously retarded conspiracy theory. Real people lost their lives in this incident.
Your post shows a callous disregard for human suffering. Besides the events of that day isn't even up for debate -the Iranians have taken full responsibility for the mishap.

Hi,

Because pakistanis are mentallly "thoughtlees"---. Even educated ones. Why do you think that this nation commits one stupid mistake after the other---. It is because of their mental capacity---.

Unless their Abba Ji ( ie father _ their Chacha Ji ( their uncle ) their Baray abba ( their grandfather ) or their elder brother had not stated about the US---then it is not true---.

That is where a pakistani stands on this world forum---.

And talk about those 'encrypting devices' that pakistan has that they bought from s swiss compnay that they thought was swiss owned but is actually owned jointly by a consortium of german and US intel agencies---.

It's always possible for the U.S. to manipulate events and going to extreme lengths to do it, remember Nazi's burned down the Reichstag and blamed the communists to kick start their program against them.
 
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Iran has already admitted blame, and the case is closed. I don't think it was a western conspiracy, or else they wouldn't use the cover of war to justify the shoot down of the plane. They would've have it shot down randomly at any moment in time throughout the year.
 
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The article makes no sense. Its like u **** up and then put blame on enemy. Did US hacked into iranian air defence or did they fire at will? They fired at will and the most US could do was use EW. That too is a diatant possibility as the plane was almost in middle of iranian territory and EW devices does not have that huge ranges.
Let suppose even they somehow used EW to fool operators it still is iran fault, why were all passenger flights not grounded? In such scenarios, professional forces block all the airspace, if ur not cloaing airspace then share data of each plane leaving and coming and be fully vigilant.
 
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The article makes no sense. Its like u **** up and then put blame on enemy. Did US hacked into iranian air defence or did they fire at will? They fired at will and the most US could do was use EW. That too is a diatant possibility as the plane was almost in middle of iranian territory and EW devices does not have that huge ranges.
Let suppose even they somehow used EW to fool operators it still is iran fault, why were all passenger flights not grounded? In such scenarios, professional forces block all the airspace, if ur not cloaing airspace then share data of each plane leaving and coming and be fully vigilant.
I agree with you. Unless the air defence was hacked, it is Iran's fault. Iran can sense the speed of the target and also get confirmation from multiple radars. EW only works in limited directions and hence when multiple radars are used, it is difficult to deceive from such large distance. Moreover, the ATC and Air defence must always work closely to ensure that the civilian flight routes are updated properly and to recheck when anything suspicious appears in a civilian flight route
 
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I agree with you. Unless the air defence was hacked, it is Iran's fault. Iran can sense the speed of the target and also get confirmation from multiple radars. EW only works in limited directions and hence when multiple radars are used, it is difficult to deceive from such large distance. Moreover, the ATC and Air defence must always work closely to ensure that the civilian flight routes are updated properly and to recheck when anything suspicious appears in a civilian flight route
Well i doubt the operators could get access to other radar . the system was just moved to the area and I seriously doubt they had time to integrate it with iran airdefence grid.
And don't forget the shot down happened less than 10km away from a sensitive military site. Also is the speed of an aircraft that much different from a subsonic cruise missile or glide bomb .
By the way to be honest I don't knew exactly what a single Tor-M1 can show on its radar and if it's enough to differentiate an airplane to a cruise missile.
 
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Seriously retarded conspiracy theory. Real people lost their lives in this incident.
Your post shows a callous disregard for human suffering. Besides the events of that day isn't even up for debate -the Iranians have taken full responsibility for the mishap.


You are retarded. Iran didn't have any option than to accept the responsibility. Your peanut sized brain won't understand this so please STFU , FOAD
 
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Well i doubt the operators could get access to other radar . the system was just moved to the area and I seriously doubt they had time to integrate it with iran airdefence grid.
And don't forget the shot down happened less than 10km away from a sensitive military site. Also is the speed of an aircraft that much different from a subsonic cruise missile or glide bomb .
By the way to be honest I don't knew exactly what a single Tor-M1 can show on its radar and if it's enough to differentiate an airplane to a cruise missile.
Air defense is never based on a single radar. If Iranian air defense is based on a single radar per battery, then it is the worst air defense ever. Civilian plane is as fast as a glide bomb or cruise missile but the data from multiple radars and ATC would have given enough information to prevent a strike
 
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Air defense is never based on a single radar. If Iranian air defense is based on a single radar per battery, then it is the worst air defense ever. Civilian plane is as fast as a glide bomb or cruise missile but the data from multiple radars and ATC would have given enough information to prevent a strike
as i said the system was moved there just 24 hour ago , and there was no time connecting it to the Air defense grid
by the way you are wrong its not strange for a short range air defense system like Tor, Pantsir or Crotale that rely only on a single RADAR . the range of the missile is only 12 km so using single radar is not something outlandish
its all that is to the system
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the operators didn't expect any flight from IKA from half an hour ago
 
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You are retarded. Iran didn't have any option than to accept the responsibility. Your peanut sized brain won't understand this so please STFU , FOAD

Please ignore me, keep calm and carry on...


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