Invigilators strip two Dalit girls in exam hall

[Peacefull]

HINDUSISM in its present form has caste system, but the word caste is no where mentioned in Vedas or Upanishads that are the base of Hinduism.
() Hinduism is not based on caste system or if castes are not mentioned in vedas and upanishads why is caste system still being followed in india ? why cant the hindu leaders come out openly and denounce caste system and why cant indian judiciary system pass a law to ban the caste system which is previliant in india ???

Well any way source from Bhagwat gita for you ---->

“Brahmanas, ksatriyas, vaisyas, and sudras are determined by their nature, qualities, and work performed.” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita Original 18.41)

What this means is that based on the qualities developed and the actions taken by a person. A person will belong to one of four classes:

Brahmans - Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, knowledge, wisdom and religiousness. Those who possess these qualities should be the leaders in society.

Ksatriyas - Heroism, power, determination, resourcefulness, courage in battle, generosity and leadership. Those who possess these qualities should be the administrators in society.

Vaisyas - Farming, cow protection and business. Those who possess these qualities should be the business owners and farmers.

Sudras - Labor and service to others. Those who possess these qualities should work under the guidance of the above classes.

Are you saying these writings of lord are wrong ????

no, its your freedom and there is nothing wrong for you to ask and gain knowledge on some thing you do not know or mis informed off, (answered above)



this is complete false, this is propagated by some fools. (thx) (Answered above)


as the great Swami Vivekananda once told, you don't have to become a Hindu to search/realize for God. (Agreed)
and if a any one from other race want to become a Hindu, they do not need to be part of a caste to become a Hindu as its not a mandatory requirment. All you just need to say is i belive in the Vedas, Upanishad and Gita that is more than enough to you to proclaim yourself as a Hindu

will wait till you answer my question on bhagwath gita....

Looks like i have more knowledge about hinduism being a atheist.

 

[ephone]

I thought india members keep saying their caste system is long gone. However, how could they still be able to track each person's caste???

I think india should totally outlaw any information that could indicate the person's caste. If names are associated with lower caste, persons with such names should be allowed to change their names to so-called higher caste names. In this way, sooner or later, simply by names, there is no way to tell what caste the person is from so that the caste system will be useless.

In a shocking incident, two teenage Dalit girls were humiliated and stripped by women invigilators in front of 40 boys during a class X State board examination in Madhya Pradesh's Narsinghpur district.

The girls, both aged 15 and appearing for their first board exams, were made to undergo the humiliation during an inspection on cheating on March 15 at the government higher secondary school in Barhebara village.

Invigilators Preeti Sharma and Reshma Semaiya, acting on the suspicion that the girls were hiding pieces of paper to cheat during their mathematics exam, asked them to strip. When the girls refused, the invigilator duo themselves reportedly stripped the two girls in the presence of the boys and some other girl students.

Nothing, however, was found on the girls to prove the charge.

Out of shame, the girls did not inform anyone about the incident until Friday, when they broke down before their parents, who complained to the district administration.

Im bitterly disappointed and saddened that this type of activity is taking place - in modern India - i am hoping this is a rare occurrence and these women invigilators are NEVER allowed to humiliate poor innocence like this

The Hindu : News / National : Invigilators strip two Dalit girls in exam hall

 

[Peacefull]

I thought india members keep saying their caste system is long gone. However, how could they still be able to track each person's caste???

I think india should totally outlaw any information that could indicate the person's caste. If names are associated with lower caste, persons with such names should be allowed to change their names to so-called higher caste names. In this way, sooner or later, simply by names, there is no way to tell what caste the person is from so that the caste system will be useless.

Thats a seperate debate i can certainly debate the advantages of caste system, we shall save that for a different thread that shall we ?? what i want to confirmation from my indian hindu friends is if caste system is allowed in hinduism or not ? there seems to be different opinions on that i want to know what hinduism talks about caste system first.... thx

A source from Hindu holy book (Lord Krishna)

“Brahmanas, ksatriyas, vaisyas, and sudras are determined by their nature, qualities, and work performed.” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita Original 18.41)

What this means is that based on the qualities developed and the actions taken by a person. A person will belong to one of four classes:

Brahmans - Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, knowledge, wisdom and religiousness. Those who possess these qualities should be the leaders in society.

Ksatriyas - Heroism, power, determination, resourcefulness, courage in battle, generosity and leadership. Those who possess these qualities should be the administrators in society.

Vaisyas - Farming, cow protection and business. Those who possess these qualities should be the business owners and farmers.

Sudras - Labor and service to others. Those who possess these qualities should work under the guidance of the above classes.

 

[ashokdeiva]

will wait till you answer my question on bhagwath gita....

Looks like i have more knowledge about hinduism being a atheist.

I am a HINDU by birth, My father has never taught me about Hinduism or any religion, thats the reason that even do not go to Temple or any worshiping place.

if you want to know more about Hindusim, then I am not the right person, may be you can meet Sri Sri Ravi Shankar or Jaki Vasudev.

and for the question about denouncing caste, India is a complex nation and for over 100's of years the Sudras have been oppressed by the upper caste and becaue of that they are now given a fair chance to compete with the rest in the name of reservations, and if at this point we denounce caste, it will not support the upliftment of people from the Sudra class and doing so will also take away the fair chance they have against the caste system.

As i said in the earlier post, you have quoted the same what i have told from Gita.

 

[Peacefull]

I am a HINDU by birth, My father has never taught me about Hinduism or any religion, thats the reason that even do not go to Temple or any worshiping place.

if you want to know more about Hindusim, then I am not the right person, may be you can meet Sri Sri Ravi Shankar or Jaki Vasudev.

and for the question about denouncing caste, India is a complex nation and for over 100's of years the Sudras have been oppressed by the upper caste and becaue of that they are now given a fair chance to compete with the rest in the name of reservations, and if at this point we denounce caste, it will not support the upliftment of people from the Sudra class and doing so will also take away the fair chance they have against the caste system.

As i said in the earlier post, you have quoted the same what i have told from Gita.

I appreciate your answer - but my question was simple, do caste system if part of hinduism or no ?

If no then why does bhagwath gita states it ?
If yes then why are you denying it ?

And if yes caste system does exist - what if a white woman or african wants to be convert to hinduism what caste would they be in ?

The reason for my questions are simple -- subramiyam swami (all muslims should convert to hinduism) http://swamy39.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/muslims-should-themselves-remove-all.html as i have stated in previous thread what if all muslims/christians/sikhs and other minorities in india want to convert back to hinduism what caste would they be in ??? and if there is mechanism for it to abosorb 300 plus million minorities back to dharmic fold ?

And if there is such mechanism what drives such mechanism ? just a divine word of GOD or their professions or some one from dharmic relgions picks up who joins to which caste ??

 

[ashokdeiva]

I appreciate your answer - but my question was simple, do caste system if part of hinduism or no ?

If no then why does bhagwath gita states it ?
If yes then why are you denying it ?

Gita divides the people based on profession and that does not have anything to do with caste, do you actually know that caste is some thing like Yadavas, Jatt, Gounders, Chettiyar, Mudaliya, Menon, Nair, Nambodari, etc. which is no where mentioned in Vedas, Upanishad or Gita. These are are developed over time like SHIA and Sunny in Islam based on customs.

 

[Peacefull]

Gita divides the people based on profession and that does not have anything to do with caste, do you actually know that caste is some thing like Yadavas, Jatt, Gounders, Chettiyar, Mudaliya, Menon, Nair, Nambodari, etc. which is no where mentioned in Vedas, Upanishad or Gita. These are are developed over time like SHIA and Sunny in Islam based on customs.

Thanks that answered by questions, hence you tend to agree caste system does exist in Hinduism, does a persons caste is fixed by their birth or if a Shudra wants to become brahman is it allowed and if a brahman wants to become a Shudra is it allowed ???? or it is just by birth ???

And if other people from different religions say for exg Persians want to convert into Hinduism how would you define what castes would they be in ?

Like say for exg will a Iranian mullah be allowed to become a Brahman priest if he converts to hinduism ???

 

[ashokdeiva]

The reason for my questions are simple -- subramiyam swami (all muslims should convert to hinduism) Dr. Subramanian Swamy: Muslims should themselves remove all those mosques that have been made in place of our temples ...Dr. Swamy as i have stated in previous thread what if all muslims/christians/sikhs and other minorities in india want to convert back to hinduism what caste would they be in ??? and if there is mechanism for it to abosorb 300 plus million minorities back to dharmic fold ?

And if there is such mechanism what drives such mechanism ? just a divine word of GOD or their professions or some one from dharmic relgions picks up who joins to which caste ??

and because some subarmaina swamy says do you think that people are going to change their religion, i don't understand who fools like him are given too much attention.

 

[Peacefull]

and because some subarmaina swamy says do you think that people are going to change their religion, i don't understand who fools like him are given too much attention.

ashok i have done extensive research on this and i have been following other respectable indian forums on this issue - and if i understand it correctly there will droves of people willing to convert into hinduism in india and outside india due to the rich cultural/religious/spritual/physical/medicinal advantages hinduism provides but what i have not come accross is the mechanism to accept the people who want to convert back into dharmic fold.

thx

 

[ashokdeiva]

Thanks that answered by questions, hence you tend to agree caste system does exist in Hinduism, does a persons caste is fixed by their birth or if a Shudra wants to become brahman is it allowed and if a brahman wants to become a Shudra is it allowed ???? or it is just by birth ???

50 years down the line if INDIA has caste system, lets talk abut this,
I am a Gounder, as far i see this is just a group of people are land lords/ warriors and this is just based on their occupation and the customs they follow in their daily life from marriage to funeral from birth to death. and I am sure no other caste can duplicate these customs to become a Gounder and vise versa we can not imitate some other caste to become some one else.
its what we are and we are proud of what we are, and the SUDRAS should feel the same as we do "PROUD for what they are" in modern INDIA any one can become a PM,CM, IAS, IPS, IFS and caste does not determin this.

 

[Peacefull]

The only hindrance i see is the caste system ?? like i mentioned before - if the Persians wants to convert back to hinduism how would hinduism differentiate people based on castes in persia ? will a Iranian mullah be allowed to become hindu priest ??? thx

 

[ashokdeiva]

ashok i have done extensive research on this and i have been following other respectable indian forums on this issue - and if i understand it correctly there will droves of people willing to convert into hinduism in india and outside india due to the rich cultural/religious/spritual/physical/medicinal advantages hinduism provides but what i have not come accross is the mechanism to accept the people who want to convert back into dharmic fold.

thx

if that is the case they can declare a new caste name and ask the Government to approve the caste. caste is just a representaion of a group to get reservaton.

The only hindrance i see is the caste system ?? like i mentioned before - if the Persians wants to convert back to hinduism how would hinduism differentiate people based on castes in persia ? will a Iranian mullah be allowed to become hindu priest ??? thx

sure why not? have you not heared about famous Holywood actor like Julia Robers who follow Hinduism, do they say they joined a certain caste inorder to become HINDU.

 

[Peacefull]

50 years down the line if INDIA has caste system, lets talk abut this,
I am a Gounder, as far i see this is just a group of people are land lords/ warriors and this is just based on their occupation and the customs they follow in their daily life from marriage to funeral from birth to death. and I am sure no other caste can duplicate these customs to become a Gounder and vise versa we can not imitate some other caste to become some one else.
its what we are and we are proud of what we are, and the SUDRAS should feel the same as we do "PROUD for what they are" in modern INDIA any one can become a PM,CM, IAS, IPS, IFS and caste does not determin this.

I take that point as Caste system is by birth and one does not have a liberty to choose to change caste after his/her birth. (agreed) every religions has its own way of dealing things.

but my question was what if other person wants to convert into hinduism what caste would they be in ?

I some times feel hinduism has lot to offer than islam/chirtianity or any other religions but only question what if someone wants to be part of hinduism what caste would they be in ?

 

[ashokdeiva]

I take that point as Caste system is by birth and one does not have a liberty to choose to change caste after his/her birth. (agreed) every religions has its own way of dealing things.

but my question was what if other person wants to convert into hinduism what caste would they be in ?

I some times feel hinduism has lot to offer than islam/chirtianity or any other religions but only question what if someone wants to be part of hinduism what caste would they be in ?

Being a HINDU, i do not feel any thing special about my religion, I am just another human being like Mohamad or Islam or Robert of Chistianity. why would some people leave thier faith which their forefathers taught them and customs handed over 1000's of years for certain benifit some other religion offers.
if you do convert then you are reliquishing your identity of who you are. and you are being false to the teachings your ansystors belived in. if you feel that some of your religious customs are not good, remove them, you do not have to convert.

May be a Muslim or Christian will rejoice on hearing some one has converted to his/her religion but we Hindus do not. we see it as a action of renouncing who you are to become some one else what you are not.

 

[Peacefull]

if that is the case they can declare a new caste name and ask the Government to approve the caste. caste is just a representaion of a group to get reservaton.


sure why not? have you not heared about famous Holywood actor like Julia Robers who follow Hinduism, do they say they joined a certain caste inorder to become HINDU.

Govt can write many rules but what happens to the rule written by Lord Krishna himself in bhagwat gita ???? And one more very important question is are you stating the Texts in Hindu holy books can be edited ????does it make sense to you ? if rules can be changed now to accomodate new people in it ? what happens to moksha ???? the ultimate freedom from the cycle of life and birth ???

Govt can write many rules but what happens to the rule written by Lord Krishna himself in bhagwat gita ???? does it make sense to you ? if rules can be changed now to accomodate new people in it ? what happens to moksha ???? the ultimate freedom from the cycle of life and birth ???

What caste is julia roberts ???? by the defination of hinduism she is a working woman so a shudra ???? or Dalit ????

Can any other hindu indian members verify what ashokdiva has stated "can the Holy texts of Hinduism be edited" ?????