International recognition of China's sovereignty over Nansha (aka Spratly) Islands

[Martian2]

International recognition of China's sovereignty over Nansha (aka Spratly) Islands

Entering Uncharted Waters?: ASEAN and the South China Sea - Google Books

 

[LacViet]

This book written by Chinese with fully fabrications, lyings.

trashed.

 

[Rechoice]

International recognition of China's sovereignty over Nansha (aka Spratly) Islands

Entering Uncharted Waters?: ASEAN and the South China Sea - Google Books

This map of KMT China 1936, you posted on Chinesedefence forum, no where is Spratly and Paracel islands.

 

[Martian2]

GlobalSecurity: China's Han Dynasty is the first to discover Spratly Islands in 110 AD

Territorial claims in the Spratly and Paracel Islands | GlobalSecurity

"Chinese claims are based on a number of historical events, including the naval expeditions to the Spratly Islands by the Han Dynasty in 110 AD and the Ming Dynasty from 1403-1433 AD. Chinese fishermen and merchants have worked the region over time, and China is using archaeological evidence to bolster its claims of sovereignty." (See graphical citation below, second paragraph about "China")

 

[Martian2]

Telltale Signs: Standing Up to the Dragon Bully | AsianWeek

"China’s claim is based on an old map drafted during the Han dynasty in 110 AD which referred to the Spratlys as the Nansha islands and part of the Middle Kingdom."

This book written by Chinese with fully fabrications, lyings.

trashed.

Which fact are you disputing? I will find you an independent source.

This map of KMT China 1936, you posted on Chinesedefence forum, no where is Spratly and Paracel islands.

Maps are not exhaustive. Not every map shows every piece of land. This is common practice and can be seen in old U.S. maps as well.

In fact, modern US maps usually omit Guam. This does not mean that Guam is not part of U.S. territory.

 

[Nike]

those Chinese arguments section on the book, why the OP doesn't bring Malaysian and Vietnamese side argument too

 

[XiangLong]

This book written by Chinese with fully fabrications, lyings.

trashed.

...And which are backed up by both then Soviet, western and VIETNAMESE sources cited by said author, if you took those few extra seconds to read the sources list provided by the author. An interesting read nonetheless.

 

[Martian2]

Hot Rocks | Foreign Policy

"The dispute: It might almost be easier to list the East Asian countries that don’t have a claim on this chain of about 100 islets, reefs, and sea mounts. Competing claims on the islands and the surrounding waters began in the 1930s when the region’s abundant resources, including gas, oil, and fish, became apparent. Since the 1950s, 29 oil fields and four gas fields have been developed in the Spratly area.

The various actors’ claims differ, though only China is bold enough to claim all the islands (based on Han dynasty navigation records dating back to 110 A.D.)."

 

[LacViet]

...And which are backed up by both then Soviet, western and VIETNAMESE sources cited by said author, if you took those few extra seconds to read the sources list provided by the author. An interesting read nonetheless.

The Soviet Gromiko has made a mistake with mentality of cold war, he didn't known that Vietnamese has been made a official administration from long time ago with Flotta to Controle Paracel and Spratly of Annam Empire long before Colonial time. The propose is rejected by voting in San Francisco Conference 1951.

Today, Soviet or Russian has been changed his mind in this dispute.

For the VIETNAMESE, Chinese mistranslated the nature of letter of PVD, both China and North Vietnam signed in Geneva Accord 1954, it stated that Islands belong to South Vietnam. in the letter it does not mentioned about Islands Paracel and Spratly, it stated only 12 nm related to North Vietnam authorities only. Chinese is lying about nature of this letter.

Paracel and Spraty belong to South Vietnam following term and condition of Geneva Accords 1954

The map of Vietnam in 1677, it stated that Paracel is part of Quangnam Province of Vietnam.

Western map, it demonstrated that Paracel and Spratly is part of Vietnam territory.

 

[Jlaw]

International recognition of China's sovereignty over Nansha (aka Spratly) Islands

Entering Uncharted Waters?: ASEAN and the South China Sea - Google Books

little viets only obey with force. Treaties are meant to be broken according to vietnamese. I know these babstabbers too well unfortunately.

 

[liubang]

Your source maybe credible. However, I gonna discredit that entirely because there is no unicorn name Dung Van Chime. Chime isn't even a vietnamese name. If you made up one person, then how do I know the rest is not made up?? I am sure, there are some truth in there. But ya gotta go with something more credible than that. Or at least tell the author to hire an editor or something.

 

[Rechoice]

Telltale Signs: Standing Up to the Dragon Bully | AsianWeek

"China’s claim is based on an old map drafted during the Han dynasty in 110 AD which referred to the Spratlys as the Nansha islands and part of the Middle Kingdom."


Which fact are you disputing? I will find you an independent source.


Maps are not exhaustive. Not every map shows every piece of land. This is common practice and can be seen in old U.S. maps as well.

In fact, modern US maps usually omit Guam. This does not mean that Guam is not part of U.S. territory.

Guam is another story and there is no disputed.

what kinda of map do you mean which is referred to China ?
There is the map from 110 AD could been included with the part of pacific ocean and all country in neighboring with China in the past. No word in Han Zhi on the map stated that this Island is territory of China. In fact such Islands is closer to Jiao Zhi than China mainland.

 

[terranMarine]

Same applies to Falkland

 

[Rechoice]

little viets only obey with force. Treaties are meant to be broken according to vietnamese. I know these babstabbers too well unfortunately.

don't lie.

No treaty has been signed by parties concerned to the Islands. China is biggest backstabber in the world when you attacked Soviet Union, who leberated Manchuria for you. China backed Khmer Rouge to attack on Vietnam border after 1975. and herself, China attacked Vietnam in 1979 and robbed Islands of Vietnam with force. Using force is habit of aggressor.

Same applies to Falkland

Nope.

Vietnamese controlled officially islands from long time in the past there was no troubles with China. China invaded with force from 1956, 1974, 1988 revently and murdered Vietnamese brutally there.

Invasion of China is illegal.

 

[LacViet]

chimps want to avoid talking about maps regarding Falkland and Brittain.

The British claimed to sovereignty to Falkland dates from 1690, and the United Kingdom has exercised sovereignty over the almost continuously since 1833.

Like Vietnam claimed from 1600s when Nguyen Warlord ruled in South Vietnam under Le Dynasty. The map from 1677 stated Paracel is sea territory of Vietnam. The map is proof for that who controlled and set up official administration first. There is rules of international law.