'International conspiracy' derailed India's indigenous space project: Former ISRO scientist

[Brickwall]

why can't the 'border security force' ( bsf ) and the 'coast guard' and the internal police be combined and enlarged and be charged with security of india, having been given ships, boats, helicopter gunships etc??

There is difference between Military and border guards, you dont send security guards to deal with thugs but use cops.
Isn't one of the slogan of socialist is,Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

the entire 'security council' ( where veto powers are used ) must be abolished.

Im in complete agreement on this, big five is abusing powers, the balance of power need to be distributed equally.

what's the problem??

Problem is countries you have mentioned

30 best panoramas of north korea

So who to blame Northe korea poor citizens who doesn't have freedom to protest or lunatic dictator

 

[jamahir]

It's Antrix (Antariksh) Purush not Vyomanonauts

when did it change??

and antrix purush?? what about the mahilas?? space mein bhi manuvaad??

Its not a conspiracy thats the truth. They not only sabotaged the program but also prevent tech transfer from Russia.

if you read the first article i quoted you will see that the police accused the two maldivian ladies of spying for russia too.

and as given in the article the cbi found the entire spy story to be a concoction by kerala police and as given in the second article the indian supreme court has sided with the accused scientist.

isro is simply finding excuses to divert attention from its incompetency.

If you could contribute some thing usefull instead of usual ranting. We should be worried about our own state of affairs rather than rolling on the ground for what is happening in rest of the world.

1. "vasudhaiva kutumbakam".

2. as a socialist i am quite concerned about our state of affairs too.

@jamahir Isn't it funny that USA becomes good and bad for you on selective occasions.

Similar conspiracy theories for nuclear scientists

can't watch the vid because of the depletion of my monthly download limit and so i am conserving the bytes for making posts.... i can watch the vid on the 1st or 2nd when i will recharge the subscription.

about your headline point, i don't support the usa government and its military and intelligence, but i do admire the technological innovations there and the spirit of discovery-seeking - the last is missing in traditional indian society.

 

[Mentee]

and col Gaddaffi's jamahiryan space program was so much better, everyone got a free ride to the moon and back.

WHAT DOES YOUR SIGNATURE MEAN -----STRENGHT THROUGH UNITY?

 

[Brahmaputra Mail]

when did it change??

and antrix purush?? what about the mahilas?? space mein bhi manuvaad??

Yeah. No women, no cry.

 

[jamahir]

There is difference between Military and border guards, you dont send security guards to deal with thugs but use cops.

we don't need to go the traditional way on this ( internal security ).

wouldn't india be high on the moral pedestal if its military is disbanded??

Isn't one of the slogan of socialist is,Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

only when confronting stubborn capitalists, reactionaries, fascists, sociopaths and stooges of imperialists.

Im in complete agreement on this, big five is abusing powers, the balance of power need to be distributed equally.

Problem is countries you have mentioned

someone has to take initiative on proposing reunification and proposing it to the right people - not the militaries and the nationalists of those countries first but the progressives/socialists... to do so, from india must not talk the nationalists here but the socialists and other progressives.

So who to blame Northe korea poor citizens who doesn't have freedom to protest or lunatic dictator

did you even go through that thread??

 

[Mentee]

vyomanonauts are presently working on a big moon base that is called gangotri.

COOOOOL

 

[911]

the last is missing in traditional indian society.

Well those things go hand in hand with resources available.

 

[jamahir]

Well those things go hand in hand with resources available.

not really.

the passion for discovery-seeking is a attitude and designing something new starts most times with drawings on paper, then discussion with others also of a active bent of mind and then moves to simple experiments built with available materials.

even when something has taken money, the developed societies have had financiers willing to risk money on new things.

this all is opposite to the traditional indian economic and social structure... i will say that if the indian film industry had to start now it would never start... released films may work and may not work and the film finance structure exists because it is pre-1947.

 

[Brickwall]

we don't need to go the traditional way on this ( internal security ).

wouldn't india be high on the moral pedestal if its military is disbanded??

High Moral pedestal vs security and freedom i choose later, may be you can ask your beloved NK great leader to choose former.

only when confronting stubborn capitalists, reactionaries, fascists, sociopaths and stooges of imperialists.

So its ok to kill capitalist,reactionaries, fascists, sociopaths and stooges of imperialists but not other , is it written in secret Karl Marx diaries whom and when to kill

someone has to take initiative on proposing reunification and proposing it to the right people - not the militaries and the nationalists of those countries first but the progressives/socialists... to do so, from india must not talk the nationalists here but the socialists and other progressives.

First find those minority right people you are talking about and then discuss this.

did you even go through that thread??

Does showcasing few trophy places to foreigner doesn't hide the ugly truth of suppression of freedom in NK

 

[T-72M1]

WHAT DOES YOUR SIGNATURE MEAN -----STRENGHT THROUGH UNITY?

slogan for one of our armoured regiments

"unity, honour, courage"

 

[jamahir]

High Moral pedestal vs security and freedom i choose later, may be you can ask your beloved NK great leader to choose former.

i did speak about security in a earlier post, yes??

First find those minority right people you are talking about and then discuss this.

all the socialists and other progressives in those countries... simples.

on pdf also we can find some.

 

[southpaw]

so isro is blaming the world for the incompetency of isro's own over-glorified "scientists" and its temple-obsessed chiefs??

come on, the recently started american private company, 'blue origin', has twice flight-tested tested a reusable human-rated rocket that uses "cryogenic" technology engine ( fueled by liquid-oxygen and liquid-hydrogen ), and this company was founded in 2009, six years ago.

Blue Origins, SpaceX and the other private companies are not starting from scratch. They get full access to technology, launchpads, equipments that NASA has. They even get some research funding from NASA budget. Their rocket scientists are mostly Ex-NASA and Universities that did NASA research. But then you probably already knew that and just wanted to discredit ISRO anyway.

 

[jamahir]

Blue Origins, SpaceX and the other private companies are not starting from scratch. They get full access to technology, launchpads, equipments that NASA has. They even get some research funding from NASA budget. Their rocket scientists are mostly Ex-NASA and Universities that did NASA research. But then you probably already knew that and just wanted to discredit ISRO anyway.

let us not build excuse balloons to hide the incompetency and non-innovativness of isro.

months ago i did a funding and employee numbers comparison of spacex, blue origin and isro, and isro is far far wealthier and has more number of employees than the first two.

and even if it is true that spacex and blue origin have ex-nasa and university people, are you saying that isro scientists/engineers not as intelligent as the first two?? that's true really.

what about the 38 percent indian scientists in nasa, without whom nasa would collapse?? why not get those genius indian scientists to work for isro??

and what happened to mukesh ambani's 'ambani aerospace'?? is that company alive?? he certainly can afford to pay isro scientists/engineers very high salaries... where is the achievement??

perhaps if isro chiefs spent less time in religion and nationalism and more on innovative and non-college thinking it could make achievements too.

 

[Pumba]

let us not build excuse balloons to hide the incompetency and non-innovativness of isro.

months ago i did a funding and employee numbers comparison of spacex, blue origin and isro, and isro is far far wealthier and has more number of employees than the first two.

and even if it is true that spacex and blue origin have ex-nasa and university people, are you saying that isro scientists/engineers not as intelligent as the first two?? that's true really.

what about the 38 percent indian scientists in nasa, without whom nasa would collapse?? why not get those genius indian scientists to work for isro??

and what happened to mukesh ambani's 'ambani aerospace'?? is that company alive?? he certainly can afford to pay isro scientists/engineers very high salaries... where is the achievement??

perhaps if isro chiefs spent less time in religion and nationalism and more on innovative and non-college thinking it could make achievements too.

Perhaps if you spent less time in fantacising about long gone dessert dweller Gaddafi and pointing fingers at others and more on your clockless processor or whaever that shit is you could make some good use of your anyway worthless life.

 

[911]

@jamahir I have never seen a bigger loser than you in my life. You undermine others achievements while yours are nil. I resisted to say this to you many many times. You contradict in your thinking at many places.