Interesting IED

[RescueRanger]

As someone from Islamabad, and seeing these pictures of suicide jackets and other paraphernalia in Islamabad, it reminds me how far we have come from those dreaded times.

The generation of today might not realize, but those were the times where you would be worried going out into a market to do simple grocery, even in main Islamabad. So hats off to the folk who got rid of this menace from our society, if not completely, then significantly.

Secondly, I know next to nothing about this subject, but it will never cease to amaze me how simple things can be wired together to bring about such destruction, and also how the agencies actually find this stuff. Bomb hidden inside a sofa, hidden inside a sweet box, inside a motorcycle....just goes to show that intelligence indeed is a critical component of counter terror ops.

Well said brother, we have come such a long way, people don't realise it. At one point the threat of terrorist attacks in Islamabad was so high, I have myself lifted the remains of those who were slain from this blight. The pressure was immense, people won't count the unsung heroes like the late Maj(R) Tabassum Zaheer (former director Islamabad Police - Special Branch Bomb Disposal Squad) and Head Constable Hikmatyar (who singlehanded saved 100 people).

Intelligence led policing is vital for security, and intelligence comes from various sources including citizens, watch this small clip:

If you have time please consider watching the full documentary:

 

[Khan_patriot]

That most likely a secondary device (Cannot say for sure, as I am too out of my game, last time I saw one of those are 15 or so years ago). Timer is used so you know when you trigger the first one, it will explode when the first responder arrive and whoever made this is long gone.

This tactics is scary, because whoever did this know what they are doing and going for maximum kills.

The IED itself is not that complicated, but like hand grenade, it's really depends on how you use them.

Although could be a secondary IED, I agree but imho a RC trigger is generally used for secondary detonation targeting responders because the primary IED might disrupt the integrity of the secondary one since they will, by design, have to be in close proximity to achieve their purpose.

 

[jhungary]

Although could be a secondary IED, I agree but imho a RC trigger is generally used for secondary detonation targeting responders because the primary IED might disrupt the integrity of the secondary one since they will, by design, have to be in close proximity to achieve their purpose.

I can only speak for my own experience. I am not sure if this is the case in Pakistan.

Timer det usually used after you trigger the first one, you know how long it take for the first responder to come up and you probably know where they are going to come up from, but if you trigger both with manual det (like a phone for example) People will know you are detonating another one because that is the thing LE or Military looking for (People on phone or any mean they can detonate a bomb). So they can shoot you and stop the second det

But with timer, you det the first one, then you simply go, and you will have whatever time it was on the timer for head start, you also do not raise suspicion because it's a timer, it's already there, primed and ready to go.

That is why this is a very sophisticated ops IMO, if you use this with a primary det, you are looking to do maximum damage then live to fight another day.

Again, this is just my own experience. I don't know if this is the case or will there be any different in Pakistan....

 

[Khan_patriot]

I can only speak for my own experience. I am not sure if this is the case in Pakistan.

Timer det usually used after you trigger the first one, you know how long it take for the first responder to come up and you probably know where they are going to come up from, but if you trigger both with manual det (like a phone for example) People will know you are detonating another one because that is the thing LE or Military looking for (People on phone or any mean they can detonate a bomb). So they can shoot you and stop the second det

But with timer, you det the first one, then you simply go, and you will have whatever time it was on the timer for head start, you also do not raise suspicion because it's a timer, it's already there, primed and ready to go.

That is why this is a very sophisticated ops IMO, if you use this with a primary det, you are looking to do maximum damage then live to fight another day.

Again, this is just my own experience. I don't know if this is the case or will there be any different in Pakistan....

There are several ways to skin the cat I suppose, tactics vary from region to region and outfit to outfit but what’s important is that atleast this wa detected and diffused thereby saving precious lives. Kudos mate, take care.

 

[jhungary]

There are several ways to skin the cat I suppose, tactics vary from region to region and outfit to outfit but what’s important is that atleast this wa detected and diffused thereby saving precious lives. Kudos mate, take care.

Well, that's why I said I can only speak for my own experience....

Sure it could have been used for whatever mean they people behind that to be used, but what I know is what I know, and what I don't know is what I don't know. So not much really a point talking about what I don't know

One thing I know and it's universally true is that bomb maker will not stop with just one device, you will most likely find (or touch wood, not found) more, as I said, I wish you guys get him quick, otherwise sadly I will say he will do it again, it's just a matter of time.

I hated IED with a passion, and i hope you guys skin him alive after you found him

 

[Jango]

Well said brother, we have come such a long way, people don't realise it. At one point the threat of terrorist attacks in Islamabad was so high, I have myself lifted the remains of those who were slain from this blight. The pressure was immense, people won't count the unsung heroes like the late Maj(R) Tabassum Zaheer (former director Islamabad Police - Special Branch Bomb Disposal Squad) and Head Constable Hikmatyar (who singlehanded saved 100 people).

Intelligence led policing is vital for security, and intelligence comes from various sources including citizens, watch this small clip:

If you have time please consider watching the full documentary:

This is a new documentary for me, and as someone who lives documentaries, will definitely watch this. Thanks

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

I was talking with a friend of mine who works in BDS and they recently rendered safe a timed IED in SWAT. What is interesting is the components:
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The terrorists used a cheap Casio watch as a timer device, the watch would have been similar to this one below:

View attachment 851532
This was connected to a small printed circuit board powered by a D-Cell battery (omitted from this this thread for security reasons), an electric blasting cap was the initiator which was designed to detonate a small primer charge of TATP which would in turn activate the detonation of around 1Kg of ANFO.

This is not new, it was very common with AQN during the Afghan war and actually this type of circuit is known as the Al Qaeda switch. What is interesting is to see it in operation in Pakistan, which would suggest a highly skilled person or persons are operating in Pakistan presently.

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As Pakistan is presently in a very delicate position both in terms of internal and external security, please may I ask members to share the following safety advice with friends, families and colleagues regarding suspicious items:

If you see a suspicious item, vehicle or person - think HOT!
Hidden - i.e. placed where they will not be readily seen or noticed as unusual
Obviously suspicious (e.g. by physical appearance, by placement, or because of the circumstances in which they have been discovered)
Not Typical of what you would normally expect to find in that environment

Items that have any of the following should be treated with extreme caution:
a. external wiring;
b. visible batteries;
c. switches;
d. timers;
e. circuit boards;
f. wire passing from one package to another;
g. items secured by plastic adhesive tape;
h. annotations (e.g., ‘ON’ or anything in reference to the time delay);
i. specially modified wooden or plastic boxes;
j. unidentified powders or other putty-like substances; or
k. carefully wrapped in plastic bags.

What you should DO:

• DO NOT TOUCH IT OR HANDLE IT
• Vacate the area and inform security/police
• Do Not use cell phones or CB radios in close proximity to the device
• Evacuate the area minimum 200 meters, try to get behind a solid building away from any glass or falling hazards and do not return until the police have made the area safe. Terrorists are known to use primary explosions to stage an assault or gather a crowd before detonating a secondary IED, try not to return to the area until the all-clear has been given.

AL Qaeda operating in Pakistan now that there is ceasefire with TTP?

 

[RescueRanger]

AL Qaeda operating in Pakistan now that there is ceasefire with TTP?

Either AQN itself or someone trained by them. This is an emerging threat, there are no such things as "ceasefires" remember Mullah Radio? We had a so called ceasefire with him too and then what happened in Saidu Shariff.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

if it's hidden well it would have to be typical, if it's not typical, then it wasn't hidden well. I guess IEDs can never be completely hot.

anyway, why do so many Pakistani military officials seem to have extensive experience in Afghanistan? sussy.

10 years of War is enough but Pakistan has been engaged in Afghanistan since 1950s because of Afghan policies towards Pakistan.

 

[Azadkashmir]

I was talking with a friend of mine who works in BDS and they recently rendered safe a timed IED in SWAT. What is interesting is the components:
View attachment 851531
The terrorists used a cheap Casio watch as a timer device, the watch would have been similar to this one below:

View attachment 851532
This was connected to a small printed circuit board powered by a D-Cell battery (omitted from this this thread for security reasons), an electric blasting cap was the initiator which was designed to detonate a small primer charge of TATP which would in turn activate the detonation of around 1Kg of ANFO.

This is not new, it was very common with AQN during the Afghan war and actually this type of circuit is known as the Al Qaeda switch. What is interesting is to see it in operation in Pakistan, which would suggest a highly skilled person or persons are operating in Pakistan presently.

---
As Pakistan is presently in a very delicate position both in terms of internal and external security, please may I ask members to share the following safety advice with friends, families and colleagues regarding suspicious items:

If you see a suspicious item, vehicle or person - think HOT!
Hidden - i.e. placed where they will not be readily seen or noticed as unusual
Obviously suspicious (e.g. by physical appearance, by placement, or because of the circumstances in which they have been discovered)
Not Typical of what you would normally expect to find in that environment

Items that have any of the following should be treated with extreme caution:
a. external wiring;
b. visible batteries;
c. switches;
d. timers;
e. circuit boards;
f. wire passing from one package to another;
g. items secured by plastic adhesive tape;
h. annotations (e.g., ‘ON’ or anything in reference to the time delay);
i. specially modified wooden or plastic boxes;
j. unidentified powders or other putty-like substances; or
k. carefully wrapped in plastic bags.

What you should DO:

• DO NOT TOUCH IT OR HANDLE IT
• Vacate the area and inform security/police
• Do Not use cell phones or CB radios in close proximity to the device
• Evacuate the area minimum 200 meters, try to get behind a solid building away from any glass or falling hazards and do not return until the police have made the area safe. Terrorists are known to use primary explosions to stage an assault or gather a crowd before detonating a secondary IED, try not to return to the area until the all-clear has been given.

use mini emp it kills the chip but you never know it might go puff. so those wire are attached to alarm pinout?

 

[bananarepublic]

As someone from Islamabad, and seeing these pictures of suicide jackets and other paraphernalia in Islamabad, it reminds me how far we have come from those dreaded times.

The generation of today might not realize, but those were the times where you would be worried going out into a market to do simple grocery, even in main Islamabad. So hats off to the folk who got rid of this menace from our society, if not completely, then significantly.

Secondly, I know next to nothing about this subject, but it will never cease to amaze me how simple things can be wired together to bring about such destruction, and also how the agencies actually find this stuff. Bomb hidden inside a sofa, hidden inside a sweet box, inside a motorcycle....just goes to show that intelligence indeed is a critical component of counter terror ops.

This generation remember living a life of fear, we were desensitized from all the killing happening everyday, you would see everyday some dozen people dead from suicide/bomb attacks.
Only after raheel shareef, did we realize the kind of life we were living. Now that they're renegotiating with talibs that fear is coming again.