Intel Tackles Voracious 14nm CPU Demand With New Vietnam Copy-Exactly Fab

[gambit]

nonsense. nobody will throw iphone into the trash bin, just because a new generation is coming.

Nonsense is correct. These yahoos simply do not know what they are talking about. The criticisms is about denying VN as much as possible any economic benefits from Intel's investments, as well as proof that on the technology front, VN is approaching the preferred destination for mass production of Intel's products.

 

[Beast]

nonsense. nobody will throw iphone into the trash bin, just because a new generation is coming.

They dont throw away not becos it has superior tech than others but becos of the branding...

 

[Fawadqasim1]

nonsense. nobody will throw iphone into the trash bin, just because a new generation is coming.

Nonsense is correct. These yahoos simply do not know what they are talking about. The criticisms is about denying VN as much as possible any economic benefits from Intel's investments, as well as proof that on the technology front, VN is approaching the preferred destination for mass production of Intel's products.

there is a difference between intel's x86 and arm technologies. iphone's a11 chip is arm based so the pun is on both of you sir.

 

[gambit]

there is a difference between intel's x86 and arm technologies. iphone's a11 chip is arm based so the pun is on both of you sir.

This has nothing to do with the 14 nm node which you claimed is 'nearly obsolete'. What does that mean?

Considering that Apple sells upwards of 77 million iPhones (particularly during its fiscal Q1) per quarter, keeping these lines humming will be a high priority for Intel. Intel will be the sole modem supplier for [new] iPhones for the foreseeable future given Apple's falling out with Qualcomm.

You think Apple is ignorant of node technology?

So to test you, I asked you a question on post 5. Care to answer that? If you cannot, then do not make silly statement.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

This has nothing to do with the 14 nm node which you claimed is 'nearly obsolete'. What does that mean?


You think Apple is ignorant of node technology?

So to test you, I asked you a question on post 5. Care to answer that? If you cannot, then do not make silly statement.

I have not sir apple is using tsmc 7nm technology in its a12 chip even 14nm x86
Lithography is in obsolescence.

 

[gambit]

I have not sir apple is using tsmc 7nm technology in its a12 chip even 14nm x86
Lithography is in obsolescence.

You think that just because DRAM, NAND, and some other devices scaled down to the low teens, that means other logic devices must be the same.

Just a sample...

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/14_nm_lithography_process

It should be noted that SRAM is the densest component of the process in a chip, with sometimes up to three or four times the density of logic cells that are used in the same process. It should be noted that in recent years, SRAM hasn't scaled as well as logic and I/O have either.

You cannot answer my question because you have no relevant experience to speak about this subject.

Each technology node -- AT THE MASS MANUFACTURING LEVEL -- relies on the testing capability, meaning if you cannot reliably test your device at that node, you cannot manufacture. Your product lines remains at the current node.

Functional and Parametric test data are feedback to the fab, who then modify their recipes to incrementally scale down to the next planned node. Then at the planned node, if those test data are deemed statistically unreliable, you have to investigate whether it is your manufacturing processes or the test equipment cannot test your devices at that node. You are responsible for your manufacturing processes but there is nothing you can do about your test equipment suppliers. You must wait for them. If they cannot deliver, you are bound at that node.

Here are a couple test equipment manufacturers...

https://www.advantest.com/
https://www.tel.com/

The fact that Intel chose VN is a sign that VN can handle mass manufacturing at the 14 nm node, which is not obsolete for what Intel planned for that site. Further, that site can scale down when there is a need for it.

Your criticism is about denying VN due credit, not because you know what you are talking about.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

You think that just because DRAM, NAND, and some other devices scaled down to the low teens, that means other logic devices must be the same.

Just a sample...

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/14_nm_lithography_process

You cannot answer my question because you have no relevant experience to speak about this subject.

Each technology node -- AT THE MASS MANUFACTURING LEVEL -- relies on the testing capability, meaning if you cannot reliably test your device at that node, you cannot manufacture. Your product lines remains at the current node.

Functional and Parametric test data are feedback to the fab, who then modify their recipes to incrementally scale down to the next planned node. Then at the planned node, if those test data are deemed statistically unreliable, you have to investigate whether it is your manufacturing processes or the test equipment cannot test your devices at that node. You are responsible for your manufacturing processes but there is nothing you can do about your test equipment suppliers. You must wait for them. If they cannot deliver, you are bound at that node.

Here are a couple test equipment manufacturers...

https://www.advantest.com/
https://www.tel.com/

The fact that Intel chose VN is a sign that VN can handle mass manufacturing at the 14 nm node, which is not obsolete for what Intel planned for that site. Further, that site can scale down when there is a need for it.

Your criticism is about denying VN due credit, not because you know what you are talking about.

and is currently getting replaced by the 10 nm process.
In two years time 14nm finfet lethograph will be history. 14nm finfet lithography its not soi which is used in military technology e.g radars its a commercial technology. It rots like tomatoes.

 

[Viet]

and is currently getting replaced by the 10 nm process.
In two years time 14nm finfet lethograph will be history. 14nm finfet lithography its not soi which is used in military technology e.g radars its a commercial technology. It rots like tomatoes.

New stuff needs time to mature. You can’t expect everything just being invented reaches 100 pct perfection rate. Intel struggles with 10nm with high error rate, but you expect 7nm to come tomorrow. Comparing to tomato is wrong. More suitable is comparing to wine. The stuff needs time to unlock aroma.

 

[gambit]

and is currently getting replaced by the 10 nm process.
In two years time 14nm finfet lethograph will be history. 14nm finfet lithography its not soi which is used in military technology e.g radars its a commercial technology. It rots like tomatoes.

Whenever I see anyone uses the words 'military technology', that is ground for dismissal for taking that person seriously.

You are no different than most people in this forum in that they do not read the sources. In your case, it is even worse because not only did you not read the source, you are ignorant of the industry.

https://hothardware.com/news/intel-14nm-cpu-demand-vietnam-copy-exactly-fab

The 14 nm node is an established technology point. Intel's CPU manufacturing at that node produces profitable yield per wafer out. So when Intel saw there was a demand, it is irrelevant whatever products produced by anyone at the lower scale. What customer want from Intel is more CPU regardless of whatever node Intel's CPU came from. That was the point of Intel's program of Copy Exactly which I know more than you about it. When the next technology node is ready, the VN site will scale down as needed. No one buys the next cell phone based upon technology node. Most consumers out there do not know and do not care.

Again, your criticism is about denying VN due credit. And to suck up to the Chinese on this forum. Pathetic.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

to be fair not Vietnam's fault Intel can't keep up with TSMC, 14nm is the best Intel can do at the moment

 

[gambit]

to be fair not Vietnam's fault Intel can't keep up with TSMC, 14nm is the best Intel can do at the moment

That is hilarious. I am directly involved in Intel's 3DXP new NVM product. Intel can do and have done much more than TSMC and everyone knows it. Just like the other guy, you think that one scaling is applicable to all.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

That is hilarious. I am directly involved in Intel's 3DXP new NVM product.

While doing all that fighter jet piloting/designing work? impressive! I just hope all these “part time jobs” won't take up too much time from your main career as a keyboard military expert

Intel can do and have done much more than TSMC and everyone knows it. Just like the other guy, you think that one scaling is applicable to all.

whatever, from a market perspective TSMC's 7nm offerings are already in stock while Intel is still struggling with 10nm in the lab, which put Intel a solid generation behind its competition, that's what really matters and everyone knows it. Intel is just too embarrassed to admit its incompetence.

 

[gambit]

While doing all that fighter jet piloting/designing work? impressive! I just hope all these “part time jobs” won't take up too much time from your main career as a keyboard military expert

Speaking of which, I am a USAF veteran, F-111 and F-16. How about you? Not even the standard two-yr conscript tour?

whatever, from a market perspective TSMC's 7nm offerings are already in stock while Intel is still struggling with 10nm in the lab, which put Intel a solid generation behind its competition, that's what really matters and everyone knows it. Intel is just too embarrassed to admit its incompetence.

Care to guess what node is Intel Fab 68 in Dalian making NAND? By the way, I personally trained a few of their Probe engineers and technicians.

If this thread is about Intel and another mainland China fab, none of you would criticize. But then again, you are no different than your fellow Chinese in this forum -- no relevant experience to speak on the subject.

 

[bolo]

While doing all that fighter jet piloting/designing work? impressive! I just hope all these “part time jobs” won't take up too much time from your main career as a keyboard military expert

Hi, mr. Gambit said he was a janitor from US airforce. It's news to me they allowed janitor to design jet fighters.

 

[Nan Yang]

Speaking of which, I am a USAF veteran, F-111 and F-16. How about you? Not even the standard two-yr conscript tour?

So.. which small country did you enjoy bombing the most.... Laos?....cambodia ? or Vietnam?.......how many tons of bombs did you drop on those commie vietcong Women and children? Did you drop naplam too.......how about agent orange? Wow how proud you must be.