Insas rifles may be on its way out

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The other great option would be german g36.not sure about price though.

 

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Agood read about INSAS Rifle 5.56mm 1B1

The INSAS 5.56mm Rifle- A Technical Treatise

Here's the INSAS with its basic complement of three magazines. 20x3=60 rounds.... er that's just 10 rounds more than what our fathers and grand fathers carried with their 303's into battle 40-50 years ago. This on the whole negates the whole idea of an automatic weapon...

I noted at least three different manufacturers of INSAS magazines, and goodness are they flimsy. I recognized at least one of the sub-manufacturers for magazines - Nilkamal - One of the well known names in plastic furniture.

Over all the INSAS rifle is a major disappointment and while this study is purely academic and has no bearing on the end user, I think it's all I've been calling it all these years- An over weight, complicated, over priced, mediocre rifle.

In the end it shoots- fairly accurately and with reasonable reliability but its plagued by shitty quality and needless refinements of dubious value.

Bottom line - we could have done so much better.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

India Replaces All INSAS Rifles In “Red Zones” With AKs, Cites INSAS as “Defective”
Posted 1 day ago in AK-47 / AK-74 / Everything AK, Guns & Gear, News, Other Gear & Gadgets, Rifles by Nathaniel F with 79 Comments
Tags: 5.56mm, ak, design-by-committee, india, INSAS, rifle

The troubled INSAS rifle has met yet another stumbling block. Calling the rifle “defective, the Delhi High Court questioned the Indian Ministry of Defense’s and the Home Ministry’s issuance of the rifles, late last month, Indian Express reports:

The Delhi High Court on Wednesday issued a notice to the Home and the Defence Ministries on a PIL alleging that ‘defective’ INSAS rifles were being given to CRPF and other paramilitary forces.

A PIL filed by retired Lt Col Deepak Malhotra, who fought in the 1971 Indo-Pak and 1999 Kargil wars, has stated that the Defence Minister had informed Parliament in 2012 that indigenous INSAS rifles would be phased out by 2014, as they were “defective and outdated,” but nothing had been done so far.

The PIL alleged that the lack of new-generation rifles had “repeatedly resulted in death and injury to the brave Jawans of the Indian Army and para-military services” while fighting “well-equipped” Maoists and terrorists.

The PIL has asked the court to look into records of the “long-pending decision” to replace the rifles, and has sought orders to phase out the INSAS rifles and replace them with modern firearms.

The Indian Armed Forces use at least two other rifles besides the INSAS, the X-95 (a variant of the Israeli Tavor), and AK rifles in 7.62×39. In response to the High Court’s notice, the Home Ministry announced that all INSAS rifles in the Red Zone (an area in East India that experiences significant Maoist insurgent activity) would be replaced by AK rifles, while 50% of INSAS rifles in Northern Jammu and Kashmir – a region disputed by both China and Pakistan – would be replaced by AKs, as well. The Times of India reported on that announcement three days later:

NEW DELHI: In an effort to enhance CRPF’s capabilities in fighting Maoists in the Red zone and terrorists in Jammu & Kashmir, home ministry has ordered replacement of indigenously built but faulty INSAS rifles that the force uses with AK-47s. All INSAS guns used by the force in the red zone would be replaced by the AK-47 while 50% of the INSAS gun armoury in J&K would now have AK-47.

The home ministry sanctioned the procurement of guns two days ago following a demand from the CRPF which has been pending with the ministry for almost a year. The sanction, however, is partial fulfillment of CRPF demands. The force had sent a proposal to the home ministry last year for 100% replacement of all its INSAS guns with AK-47 rifles in Maoist areas, 50% in Jammu and Kashmir and similar grading percentage for various other theatres. “The sanction is location specific i.e. limited to Naxal-affected districts and Jammu and Kashmir. In rest of the country, the force will continue using INSAS. The decision has been taken according to the operational requirement of the force,” a senior home ministry official said.

Over 40% of guns used by the three lakh strong force currently are INSAS guns built by Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO). The development means procurement of over 67,000 AK guns at a cost of Rs 150 crore. While 54,000 AK-47s will be provided to forces in Naxal areas, about 13,000 will go to J&K. In its proposal, CRPF had said the INSAS gun gets frequently jammed at crucial times and is a danger to the life of Jawans during anti-Naxal and anti-insurgency operations. It had said that compared to AK and X-95 guns, Insas fails far more frequently. While the error percentage in AK guns is 0.02%, in Insas it is 3%. INSAS, however, has longer range (of firing) than AK 47. “But that can be compensated with other weapons we have. What we can’t afford is a gun jamming during an encounter. Thankfully, the government has realized that the lives of our jawans are more important than promotion of faulty indigenous technology,” a CRPF officer said.



India’s indigenous rifle has some very serious flaws in its execution. One TFB reader elaborated on the disappointing state of his rifle – which was brand-new. The general experience with the guns has been that they are loaded with superfluous features, are not very reliable or durable, and that they are expensive. This last I cannot confirm, as prices for Indian weapons are difficult to pin down, and it does seem that any INSAS replacement will most likely be more expensive. The Indian government is looking to replace the rifles with a foreign offering, but so far there is no word on how that program is developing.

- See more at: India Replaces All INSAS Rifles In “Red Zones” With AKs, Cites INSAS as “Defective” - The Firearm Blog

 

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Ministry of Defence
05-May, 2015 16:58 IST

Procurement of Components from BAE Systems Inc. No such order has been issued by Government in respect of 155 millimeter / 39 calibre M777ULH guns.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri Salim Ansari in Rajya Sabha today.

DM/HH/RAJ
(Release ID :121208)

 

[axisofevil]

Good ....love to shove this up some of the Indian posters who go above and beyond to point how great the INSAS is and how the problems have been fixed! YEAH F-KING RIGHT!

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Good ....love to shove this up some of the Indian posters who go above and beyond to point how great the INSAS is and how the problems have been fixed! YEAH F-KING RIGHT!

Its not really the rifle fault thought the gun industry in India have this problems. The Insas are merely reflection of the entire Industry.

The Hindustan Times reports:

“India produces the shoddiest guns in the world and sells them at ridiculously high rates,” says Swaran Singh, who owns an arms repair workshop in Jalandhar. “Every gun which comes out of the factories in Jammu or Bihar or the ordnance factories in Kolkata and Kanpur has a problem,” he says. Guns manufactured by the ordnance are marginally better, adds Singh, who repairs at least 25 new guns manufactured in Indian factories every month.

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However, private licence-holders aren’t the only ones complaining. Forced to cope with weapons considered virtually obsolete in the international market, armymen are also saying it would be wiser to allow private players to manufacture arms and ammunition. “The government monopoly would break, the quality of weapons would improve and prices would fall,” says an official at the Army Headquarters. Besides producing defective weapons, the ordinance factories also do not meet delivery deadlines, says an official.

Over the years, the army has moved from the 7.62 mm self-loading rifle to the next generation Indian National Small Arms System (INSAS). But this 5.56 mm assault rifle is also known to develop major defects like cold arrest, breakage and cracking of components in strategic areas like the Siachen Glacier, Kargil and other high altitude areas, senior army officials say. Such defects were seen even during the critical Kargil conflict. The government was then forced to allow the import of one lakh AK-47 assault rifles from Romania at a cost of Rs 85 crore.

- See more at: The decline of the gun industry in India - The Firearm Blog

 

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[punit]

Good ....love to shove this up some of the Indian posters who go above and beyond to point how great the INSAS is and how the problems have been fixed! YEAH F-KING RIGHT!

shhh! they will blame Armed forces for their love for imported products.

 

[axisofevil]

Its not really the rifle fault thought the gun industry in India have this problems. The Insas are merely reflection of the entire Industry.

The Hindustan Times reports:


- See more at: The decline of the gun industry in India - The Firearm Blog

I agree but this is the result of Nehru and Indira Gandhi's polices of the Licensing Raj. We wont allow private companies to get involved. If we do, we give such opportunities to companies that have good political/family connections.


Regardless, INSAS is a piece of shit. Just because we build it, doesn't mean we have to buy it. Get rid of it... and continually update. Have competitions and get many bidders involved. We place so many restrictions and make it very difficult for small compnanies to even enter the gun market. Loosen restrictions and allow a gun culture to flourish.