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DEFENSE UPDATE - Innovation key to ‘breakthrough’ in Turkish defense industry

'One optimistic view holds that Turkey’s local defense industry has made remarkable progress in the past decade. Cautious optimists say this is an exaggeration. Pessimists think the Turkish industry remains too distant from building key systems and innovative work.

Turkey’s own industry has jumped from a few tens of millions of dollars’ worth of exports a decade ago to nearly $1.5 billion this year. Today it meets nearly 55 percent of the requirements of the Turkish Armed Forces whereas the military almost exclusively bought off-the-shelf from foreign suppliers in the mid-1990s.

Today, Turkey is talking about building domestic drones, trainer aircraft, tanks, warships, missiles, air defense systems and even light helicopters and a fighter jet. Not all “Turkish” systems are Turkish, with many foreign components embedded, but there is comparative success in most of these ambitious programs.

Yet innovation is where Turkey should intensify governmental efforts if Ankara is serious about serious Turkish defense equipment in the future, officials and experts agree.

In a November interview with the U.S. weekly Defense News, Turkey’s procurement chief, Murad Bayar, complained of little technological advancement and indicated that future efforts would be designed to boost innovation.

“I cannot say that we have successfully supported [the local industry] with major R&D programs. Developed countries allocate 5 to 15 percent of their defense budgets to R&D activity. Today the Turkish industry can develop ships, tank and other land vehicles, but we cannot talk about a serious level of system engineering and technology and product development,” Bayar said.

New hi-tech investments aheadHence, several efforts to boost innovative capabilities of Turkey’s thriving defense industry.

For instance, the government is hoping to give impetus to plans to establish a “qualified” defense industry site in Kazan, near Ankara. That site will house hundreds of local and foreign defense and aviation companies. The construction will take off in 2014 and a total investment of $6 billion is planned, according to Lokman Ertürk, Kazan’s mayor. He said 30,000 personnel would be employed in an area of 3 million square meters.

A defense procurement official said Kazan was part of a broader plan to boost innovation in the industry and therefore achieve greater self-sufficiency. “There is, of course, a big export potential if we achieve these goals,” he said.

There are other efforts for innovation too. Military electronics specialist Aselsan, Turkey’s biggest defense company, plans to finish a plant for that purpose next year. The $200 million investment in Gölbaşı near Ankara will see a plant that specializes in R&D, electronic warfare, long-range radar systems, intelligence systems, systems design and jammers.

“We hope that plant will work like Turkey’s hi-tech laboratory, especially in electronic warfare and radar systems,” an Aselsan official said.

Separately in July, Turkey approved the construction of its first satellite launching center to cater for the country’s mushrooming satellite programs.

Bayar’s Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM) has signed a contract with the country’s national missile manufacturer, Roketsan, to build the Turkish Satellite Launching System (UFS) for pre-conceptual design work. Under the contract, Roketsan will design the UFS to be capable of launching, initially, satellites into low-earth orbit (500 to 700 kilometers) through a launching center the company will build and the Turkish Air Force will operate.

In a related move, Turkey in 2014 would have its own satellite assembly and integration center that would work in line with a satellite test center.

‘Most innovative zone of Turkey’

An indication that the Ankara government is serious about innovation in defense industry is the government’s decision to allocate funding for R&D programs, according to Defense Minister İsmet Yılmaz.

He said in a budget speech that between 2014 and 2016, the government would directly sponsor 27 R&D projects in the defense industry while a state scientific research institute, TÜBİTAK, would finance 45 R&D programs in defense and space.

Meanwhile, a different, ambitious project for innovation in the defense industry is nearing its launch. In November, a total space of 62,000 square meters (out of a total planned 950,000 square meters) of innovation office zone was allocated at Teknopark Istanbul, a $5 billion hi-tech investment in Turkey’s biggest city.

“Teknopark Istanbul will be Turkey’s most innovative zone of excellence for defense and aviation,” said Turgut Şenol, Teknopark Istanbul’s general manager.

He said an aviation repair and maintenance center, as part of the technopark, is almost fully operational. The center hosts Turkey’s national airliner THY’s maintenance unit, THY Teknik, a partnership among THY, Pratt and Whitney and My Technic, all of which will cater to both civilian and defense aviation, according to Şenol.'
 
Innovation, research,technology is the key.

Exporting technology is the most important, we are lacking in so many fields. We need our own Brands, not produce things under licence. We need to export our own cars with our own brand name. We need to make processors, chips or atleast research into them. Engines is another point we are weak at.
 
Innovation, research,technology is the key.

Exporting technology is the most important, we are lacking in so many fields. We need our own Brands, not produce things under licence. We need to export our own cars with our own brand name. We need to make processors, chips or atleast research into them. Engines is another point we are weak at.

Turkey should focus on nothing more but full on economic, infrastructural and educational and technological development. Put an heavy emphasis on an domestic tech brand and create an export oriented economy until GDP per Capita reaches $29,000. Turks should invest heavily in integrated circuits and create an semiconductor industry by funding the building of Chip fabrication units. 5 and 7 axis machinery and MSE tool industries should be invested heavily. Steel industry should expand (although Turkey ranks 7th in steel production) and have an good metallurgy research facilities in order to assist in national technology requirements like Turbine blades for Engines. Chemical engineering should play an role in Turkey's manufacturing sector (i.e. Petrochemical refinery, sodium oxide production for electronics, food manufacturing). Electric consumer goods like Beko and Vestal should be more innovative and expand beyond household electric appliances to smartphones and PC/Tablets like samsung has done in the 80s. The Turkish government should invest in STEM education and try to be atleast the top 15 nations in the PISA test scores. @Sinan What do you think? Is it possible?
 
Turkey should focus on nothing more but full on economic, infrastructural and educational and technological development. Put an heavy emphasis on an domestic tech brand and create an export oriented economy until GDP per Capita reaches $29,000. Turks should invest heavily in integrated circuits and create an semiconductor industry by funding the building of Chip fabrication units.

We are already going forward in this sector.



5 and 7 axis machinery and MSE tool industries should be invested heavily.

This is a sector we have drawback, many of the CNC's imported from Germany and Japan. They hold a big share in Turkey's imports. We absolutely must invest in this sector..


Steel industry should expand (although Turkey ranks 7th in steel production) and have an good metallurgy research facilities in order to assist in national technology requirements like Turbine blades for Engines.

I think our steel Industry going well and we should give attention to other metals.

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As for today Turkey doesn't produce Titanium or Nickel, although Turkey got decent amounts of Nickel reserves....


Chemical engineering should play an role in Turkey's manufacturing sector (i.e. Petrochemical refinery, sodium oxide production for electronics, food manufacturing).

I don't have much knowledge about chemical industry. But as Turkey doesn't have petroleum, i have doubts about investing in this sector.


Electric consumer goods like Beko and Vestal should be more innovative and expand beyond household electric appliances to smartphones and PC/Tablets like samsung has done in the 80s.

Totally agree.. but we lack technoly in these sectors. At least we should get support from Koreans.


The Turkish government should invest in STEM education and try to be atleast the top 15 nations in the PISA test scores.

Turkish goverment busy to crapping into education. I hope that we can see improvements in the future....

@Sinan What do you think? Is it possible?

I believe it's like a dream to even think about these improvements.... but that said who thought that Turkey can produce it's indigenous tanks, attack helikopters, UAVs in 20 years ago.

It is possible. :)
 
We are already going forward in this sector.


Is this fabrication technology in research level or industrial level?
BTW, BiCMOS is pretty costly in production, and that's why they use it for smaller circuits or special types of circuits when the chip area costs are less an issue. Like military applications and mixed analog and digital applications like cellphones, in which we necessarily need to use BJT for some of circuits, and CMOS for some other parts in a chip.
Anyway, Si-Ge is an interesting technology and Intel use it for sub 22nm technologies to adjust the mobility in drain and source of CMOS transistors.
 
Is this fabrication technology in research level or industrial level?
BTW, BiCMOS is pretty costly in production, and that's why they use it for smaller circuits or special types of circuits when the chip area costs are less an issue. Like military applications and mixed analog and digital applications like cellphones, in which we necessarily need to use BJT for some of circuits, and CMOS for some other parts in a chip.
Anyway, Si-Ge is an interesting technology and Intel use it for sub 22nm technologies to adjust the mobility in drain and source of CMOS transistors.

Clip says, we have produced some high level circuits for our tanks, ships, helicopters and UAV's but we are still depended on foreign countries for some critical sub-components.

For acquiring the ability to produce %100 indigenous circuits a road map has been planed. The first phase of the road map is to develop "Standart Cell Library" and "Process Design Kit/Tools". The product will be shared with Universities, companies etc....

I'am not really knowledgeable in this sector but maybe the info i shared, will make sense for you. :)
 
Clip says, we have produced some high level circuits for our tanks, ships, helicopters and UAV's but we are still depended on foreign countries for some critical sub-components.

For acquiring the ability to produce %100 indigenous circuits a road map has been planed. The first phase of the road map is to develop "Standart Cell Library" and "Process Design Kit/Tools". The product will be shared with Universities, companies etc....

I'am not really knowledgeable in this sector but maybe the info i shared, will make sense for you. :)

Thanks for your explanations.
Yes, now it makes sense for me. Based on your explanation, now in this phase, they are interested in designing circuits. They will try to expand their CAD tools and design techniques in this stage, and they are less interested in fabrication in this stage. Actually I get a little bit confused from the clip, since they were showing some pictures from fabrication rooms and some circuit picture from Cadence Virtuoso which is a designing software. It makes sense, because design is the most important part in my opinion and it is the most needed part.
 
Thanks for your explanations.
Yes, now it makes sense for me. Based on your explanation, now in this phase, they are interested in designing circuits. They will try to expand their CAD tools and design techniques in this stage, and they are less interested in fabrication in this stage. Actually I get a little bit confused from the clip, since they were showing some pictures from fabrication rooms and some circuit picture from Cadence Virtuoso which is a designing software. It makes sense, because design is the most important part in my opinion and it is the most needed part.

Mate, how far is Iran in this technology ?
 
Mate, how far is Iran in this technology ?

Actually, We are very good at designing specially in analog design. you would be wondered if you see how many of professors of Analog design in USA are Iranian. but, we need to work more on digital design. about fabrication, I know that half-micron and I also think 180nm research facilities are available, but I don't have any idea about industry, since they are mostly military and I don'y have precise information about it. but in the research level, I am pretty sure that they mostly send their designs to Taiwan, and China for fabrication, other countries, even USA do the same thing for fabrication. :lol:
 
We are already going forward in this sector.





This is a sector we have drawback, many of the CNC's imported from Germany and Japan. They hold a big share in Turkey's imports. We absolutely must invest in this sector..




I think our steel Industry going well and we should give attention to other metals.

alp-1.jpg


As for today Turkey doesn't produce Titanium or Nickel, although Turkey got decent amounts of Nickel reserves....




I don't have much knowledge about chemical industry. But as Turkey doesn't have petroleum, i have doubts about investing in this sector.




Totally agree.. but we lack technoly in these sectors. At least we should get support from Koreans.




Turkish goverment busy to crapping into education. I hope that we can see improvements in the future....



I believe it's like a dream to even think about these improvements.... but that said who thought that Turkey can produce it's indigenous tanks, attack helikopters, UAVs in 20 years ago.

It is possible. :)
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Let's hope the political turbulence ends in Turkey and the politicians focus on the economy first. I think Turkey's biggest curse is that they border the middle-east. If only they were in the Asia-Pacific :P
Yeah neighbors like Japan and Korea are really attractive. :enjoy:
 
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