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It's called the Indus Valley...this Indus Valley is the true India and has had a unique culture for over 9000 years. The so-called "Republic of India" nextdoor is only masquerading as India. In reality, they're Bharat...or what the Vedas called "Dasyuvarta".

You all should follow Ancient Pakistan facebook page. They have an article called "Is Pakistan The Real India" and "The Two Nation Theory: Is It Culture Or Religion That Divides Us".

I'll post it in this thread...it's quite an eyeopener.
 
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Indus civilization
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Alternative Titles: Harappān civilization, Indus valley civilization
Indus civilization, also called Indus valley civilization or Harappan civilization, the earliest known urban culture of the Indian subcontinent. The nuclear dates of the civilization appear to be about 2500–1700 BCE, though the southern sites may have lasted later into the 2nd millennium BCE.

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Principal sites of the Indus civilization.Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.

The civilization was first identified in 1921 at Harappa in the Punjab region and then in 1922 at Mohenjo-daro (Mohenjodaro), near the Indus River in the Sindh (Sind) region. Both sites are in present-day Pakistan, in Punjab and Sindh provinces, respectively. The ruins of Mohenjo-daro were designated a UNESCO World Heritage site in 1980.

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Indus civilizationAn overview of the Indus civilization.Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.
Subsequently, vestiges of the civilization were found as far apart as Sutkagen Dor in southwestern Balochistan province, Pakistan, near the shore of the Arabian Sea, about 300 miles (480 km) west of Karachi; and at Ropar (or Rupar), in eastern Punjab state, northwestern India, at the foot of the Shimla Hills some 1,000 miles (1,600 km) northeast of Sutkagen Dor. Later exploration established its existence southward down the west coast of India as far as the Gulf of Khambhat (Cambay), 500 miles (800 km) southeast of Karachi, and as far east as the Yamuna (Jumna) River basin, 30 miles (50 km) north of Delhi. It is thus decidedly the most extensive of the world’s three earliest civilizations; the other two are those of Mesopotamia and Egypt, both of which began somewhat before it.

The Indus civilization is known to have consisted of two large cities, Harappa and Mohenjo-daro, and more than 100 towns and villages, often of relatively small size. The two cities were each perhaps originally about 1 mile (1.6 km) square in overall dimensions, and their outstanding magnitude suggests political centralization, either in two large states or in a single great empire with alternativecapitals, a practice having analogies in Indian history. It is also possible that Harappa succeeded Mohenjo-daro, which is known to have been devastated more than once by exceptional floods. The southern region of the civilization, on the Kathiawar Peninsula and beyond, appears to be of later origin than the major Indus sites. The civilization was literate, and its script, with some 250 to 500 characters, has been partly and tentatively deciphered; the language has been indefinitely identified as Dravidian.

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Mohenjo-daroPortion of the ruins at the Mohenjo-daro archaeological site, southeastern Pakistan.© Yousaf Fayyaz/Fotolia
The Indus civilization apparently evolved from the villages of neighbours or predecessors, using the Mesopotamian model of irrigated agriculture with sufficient skill to reap the advantages of the spacious and fertile Indus River valley while controlling the formidable annual flood that simultaneously fertilizes and destroys. Having obtained a secure foothold on the plain and mastered its more immediate problems, the new civilization, doubtless with a well-nourished and increasing population, would find expansion along the flanks of the great waterways an inevitable sequel. The civilization subsisted primarily by farming, supplemented by an appreciable but often elusivecommerce. Wheat and six-row barley were grown; field peas, mustard, sesame, and a few date stones have also been found, as well as some of the earliest known traces of cotton. Domesticated animals included dogs and cats, humped and shorthorn cattle, domestic fowl, and possibly pigs, camels, and buffalo. The Asian elephant probably was also domesticated, and its ivory tusks were freely used. Minerals, unavailable from the alluvial plain, were sometimes brought in from far afield. Gold was imported from southern India or Afghanistan, silver and copper from Afghanistan or northwestern India (present-day Rajasthan state), lapis lazuli from Afghanistan, turquoise from Iran (Persia), and a jadelike fuchsite from southern India.

Perhaps the best-known artifacts of the Indus civilization are a number of small seals, generally made of steatite (a form of talc), which are distinctive in kind and unique in quality, depicting a wide variety of animals, both real—such as elephants, tigers, rhinoceros, and antelopes—and fantastic, often composite creatures. Sometimes human forms are included. A few examples of Indus stone sculpture have also been found, usually small and representing humans or gods. There are great numbers of small terra-cotta figures of animals and humans.

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Indus civilization: sealsAssortment of seals with animal motifs in use during the time of the Indus civilization, 2nd–3rd millennium BCE.Copyright J.M. Kenoyer/Harappa.com; Courtesy Department of Archaeology and Museums, Government of Pakistan
How and when the civilization came to an end remains uncertain. In fact, no uniform ending need be postulated for a culture so widely distributed. But the end of Mohenjo-daro is known and was dramatic and sudden. Mohenjo-daro was attacked toward the middle of the 2nd millennium BCE by raiders who swept over the city and then passed on, leaving the dead lying where they fell. Who the attackers were is matter for conjecture. The episode would appear to be consistent in time and place with the earlier invaders from the north (formerly called Aryans) into the Indus region as reflected in the older books of the Rigveda, in which the newcomers are represented as attacking the “walled cities” or “citadels” of the aboriginal peoples and the invaders’ war-god Indra as rending forts “as age consumes a garment.” However, one thing is clear: the city was already in an advanced stage of economic and social decline before it received the coup de grâce. Deep floods had more than once submerged large tracts of it. Houses had become increasingly shoddy in construction and showed signs of overcrowding. The final blow seems to have been sudden, but the city was already dying. As the evidence stands, the civilization was succeeded in the Indus valley by poverty-stricken cultures, deriving a little from a sub-Indus heritage but also drawing elements from the direction of Iran and the Caucasus—from the general direction, in fact, of the northern invasions. For many centuries urban civilization was dead in the northwest of the Indian subcontinent.

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Indus civilization: cooking potsHarappan cooking pots in use during the Indus civilization, c. 2300–2200 BCE.Copyright J.M. Kenoyer/Harappa.com; Courtesy Department of Archaeology and Museums, Government of Pakistan
In the south, however, in Kathiawar and beyond, the situation appears to have been very different. There it would seem that there was a real cultural continuity between the late Indus phase and the Copper Age cultures that characterized central and western India between 1700 and the 1st millennium BCE. Those cultures form a material bridge between the end of the Indus civilization proper and the developed Iron Age civilization that arose in India about 1000 BCE.

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Site overview of Mohenjo-daro, eastern Pakistan.Frederick M. Asher

This article is from April, but I thought to share it here. I'm not a student of history but from now on I'm going to read about our history as much as I can.

@Kaptaan Sir, any book you would like to recommend for a noob like me.
 
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how can india be separated from indus valley civilization ?
 
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kaun sa pakistan ? 1971 se pahle ka ya uske bad ka ? i mean west pakistan .

The land that makes up Pakistan has always been there, the name is irrelevant. Just because you choose to appropriate our culture as your own by naming yourselves after our river, doesn't mean our culture is yours.
 
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The land that makes up Pakistan has always been there, the name is irrelevant. Just because you choose to appropriate our culture as your own by naming yourselves after our river, doesn't mean our culture is yours.

no body appropriated your culture , you were no where when history was being written .living in denial and teaching wrong history to children is of no use . as far as history is concerned come out of your narrow scope of history and take lesson from english historians who worked on history of india .
 
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no body appropriated your culture , you were no where when history was being written .living in denial and teaching wrong history to children is of no use . as far as history is concerned come out of your narrow scope of history and take lesson from english historians who worked on history of india .

How sad, you actually believe what you're saying.
 
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The land that makes up Pakistan has always been there, the name is irrelevant. Just because you choose to appropriate our culture as your own by naming yourselves after our river, doesn't mean our culture is yours.
Culture, unlike nationality doesn't end a border. The people of this civilization wouldn't have stopped at an imaginary line that came millennia after their time.
I've got no qualms about the location of any civilization but I do believe there was overlapping culture.
 
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Culture, unlike nationality doesn't end a border. The people of this civilization wouldn't have stopped at an imaginary line that came millennia after their time.
I've got no qualms about the location of any civilization but I do believe there was overlapping culture.

Right, but that doesn't make them Hindustani. They may have had settlements all the way in Turkmenistan, does that make them a part of Turkmen heritage? Of course not.

Well, unless you can bring forth any evidence for that claim, I'll stick to believing our cultures never significantly overlapped until the Aryan migrations.
 
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indus valley people ,

ganges valley people,

two separate entities since ages

evidence is there which states that IVC buried their dead, while ganga people made chitas ( to this day) ,same culture ? how come ?


to the indians on this forum , wasnt the land west of the ganges considered impure in vedic texts ?
 
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Indeed. We called them Daysus, they called us Mlechas.
We called Ganges Plain Dasyuvarta, they called Indus Valley as Vahika Desa.

They're just so desperate to try and steal our history, because they have none of it themselves. In actuality, South India (Dravidian) history is much older than the Indus Valley, but North Indians are ashamed to admit this because they view Dravidians as inferior, despite the fact North Indians are more genetically closer to South Indians than they are with the Indus groups (Pakistanis).

We are the real Indo-Aryans. We are the real India. We are the real Indians.

North India is just a joke.
 
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Like Afghanistan, China are separated. By geography. Indians are children of the Holy Ganga. Take pride in your Gangadesh.


Ps. Have a look at these maps below. They speak better then I can articulate.

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lol.......................:D:D:D:D
 
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