Indonesia warns of 'mistrust' over US base in Australia, Supports China

[amidamaru]

The fact that you don't see why equating skin color with Australian nationality is racist seals the deal.

i dont equate skin color to australian nationality and i never have said anything like that.. you are now making things up and putting words in my mouth lol

i am saying you are not australia and most people who come here and call themselves australians, are actually loyal to their home country and see themselves more as pakistani or indian or english or whatever, they are not australian. which really is you

you cant come to this country and say your australian when your traditions, culture etc etc is actually not australian.. you just live here


actually i will prove your hypocrisy here

no foreigner can become a pakistani citizen, even through marriage... you have to be pakistani... so your a hypocrite and you say your australian and try change our way of life in this country to suit your own etc and you do this purely to SUIT YOURSELF... you wouldnt recognise a foreigner as pakistani EVER that is shown by your governments refusal to allow a foreigner pakistani citizenship at all...

so on one hand, its only fair and right you are seen as australian once your a citizen, but on the other hand its never right for a foreigner to be a pakistani? or even get citizenship lol

it really is a racist double standard of yours and your country

 

[Tshering22]

The fact that you don't see why equating skin color with Australian nationality is racist seals the deal.

I am not involved here.. but observing your argument with him, he's so far only said about your loyalty to Pakistan more than Australia and your principles that are more Pakistani leaning than Australian leaning. Where did he say that you're not white and so you're not Australian?

Why are you attempting to self-victimize yourself here, man? You're a think tank. Come on, let's not get to that level.

The topic is Indonesia's concerns about Australia's intentions. In that context, the fragility of the relationship and the Australian media's toxic role in influencing that relationship is very relevant.

The same thread also has articles that show Indonesia is pretty content with Australian explanation. Firstly, marines are not against Indonesia. US has pretty good ties with Jakarta. Being a democracy Indonesia will have different 'wings' of politicos who would lean on either side.

This guy here says his concerns about US marines vis a vis southeast. Not even mentioning supporting China or anything as such.

Let me make this clear: Trade and visits aren't essentially the concrete blocks of building a relationship. We've got trade and visits with Reds too: does that make either of us look easy? No.

 

[Developereo]

Where did he say that you're not white and so you're not Australian?

In response to my comment:

If someone said, "hey, look I can prove I am an American because I have white skin", that would be considered racist by most people.

He wrote:

no that would be considered stupid to think thats racist

I don't know anyone who would not be offended by that first remark and consider it racist.

This whole racism thing has been side-tracked around from its original context. I originally mentioned it in the context of the Australian media's tendency to poison the relationship with Indonesia and consistently denigrate the country, its culture and institutions. Australia's relationship with Indonesia is very complex and fragile; there is still lingering distrust from the East Timor episode, issues of people smuggling, drug trafficking (both ways), etc. Given that situation, the expansion of a military base at Indonesia's doorstep would raise eyebrows.

The fact that the Indonesians raised the issue in the first place highlights the complexity of the relationship.

 

[xdrive]

The topic is Indonesia's concerns about Australia's intentions.

Incorrect. The topic is about Indonesias concerns over marines in the northern territory.

You are discussing the media being "Racist" and all this other off topic crap like "racism" and "nationalism" and then you try to claim you are "on topic" by trying to link your clear offtopicness crap with the topic. The behaviour of the Australian media has nothing to do with the topic, the topic isn't about Australia relationship with Indonesia either. If you want a broad discussion on these issues, make your own thread. This discussion is specifically on the titled topic and the discussion should stick strictly to it.

It's not working. Your little fight with amidamaru has nothing to do with the topic.

You have derailed the thread. End of story.

xdrive question.. are you white? european? etc born in australia??

or did you migrate here?

reason why i ask is, because if you are subcontinental or something else.. i would make point to tell desperado there that you are more australian then he will ever be

you at least identify yourself as australian, nothing else

This has nothing to do with the topic of the read, so i'm not engaging in the derailment.

 

[amidamaru]

Where did he say that you're not white and so you're not Australian?
Original Post By Tshering22
In response to my comment:

If someone said, "hey, look I can prove I am an American because I have white skin", that would be considered racist by most people.
Original Post By Developereo
He wrote:

no that would be considered stupid to think thats racist



umm is your brain working today???

i am saying if your comment of ""hey im white so i can prove im american"" is seen as racist... that would actually be seen by most as stupid lol

 

[Developereo]

Incorrect. The topic is about Indonesias concerns over marines in the northern territory.

You are discussing the media being "Racist" and all this other off topic crap like "racism" and "nationalism" and then you try to claim you are "on topic" by trying to link your clear offtopicness crap with the topic. The behaviour of the Australian media has nothing to do with the topic, the topic isn't about Australia relationship with Indonesia either. If you want a broad discussion on these issues, make your own thread. This discussion is specifically on the titled topic and the discussion should stick strictly to it.

It's not working. Your little fight with amidamaru has nothing to do with the topic.

You have derailed the thread. End of story.



This has nothing to do with the topic of the read, so i'm not engaging in the derailment.

The title is: Indonesia warns of 'mistrust' over US base in Australia.

Which begs the question: why is there mistrust? New Zealand doesn't have any 'mistrust' over these bases. Singapore doesn't. Why Indonesia?

As for amidamaru, I am ignoring his outbursts. Before he was attacking Chinese-Australians, now he is after Pakistani-Australians and any other Australian he doesn't personally approve of. It's a lost cause.

 

[amidamaru]

The title is: Indonesia warns of 'mistrust' over US base in Australia.

Which begs the question: why is there mistrust? New Zealand doesn't have any 'mistrust' over these bases. Singapore doesn't. Why Indonesia?

As for amidamaru, I am ignoring his outbursts. Before he was attacking Chinese-Australians, now he is after Pakistani-Australians and any other Australian he doesn't personally approve of. It's a lost cause.

you certainly are a lost cause.. and now you say your ignoring me, because my previous statements really proved how hypocritical and racist you and your homeland country is.... geez you expect you can be australian.. but no one else can be pakistani.... you milk the system.. it as simple as that.. therefore you are illegitimate, and are not in any sense australian.. you just say your australian to give yourself more rights and ways of arguing lol

and actually indonesia is not saying they mistrust it.. they are saying they want it better explained to avoid confussion which could sow mistrust... however america and indonesia have a good relationship... and australia and indonesias is improving

 

[Gold1010]

Are you SURE you want to take the thread in that direction? Because you won't like the result, I guarantee you!

If someone said, "hey, look I can prove I am an American because I have white skin", that would be considered racist by most people.

LOL bro i showed thatbecuz you accused me of being 5ever someone who had an indian an australian flag.Considering white skin obviously doesnt mean im indian nvm everything racist 2 u.

As i said Indonesia is widely reported in the media with drug smugglers because it has controversial laws and methods.

For example a 14 year old boy who spent 2 months in a indonesian prison.

Australian-Indonesia relationship is fragile not because of "toxic media" but because of our past history with regards to balibo 5 , Malaysia-Indonesia confrontation and East Timor.

You also use to claim that Malaysia got wrongly treated in the media because they are muslim majority right which is complete bullshit when Malaysia is 1 of our allies and also helping us with theassylum seekers hmm yes very negative.

Anything with Australia , Muslim , muslim nation 2 u is racist and that stems from someone unable to look at anything in a non-racial way or someone who is just doing reverse racism.

Why are you so paranoid rofl.

 

[xdrive]

The title is: Indonesia warns of 'mistrust' over US base in Australia.

Which begs the question: why is there mistrust? New Zealand doesn't have any 'mistrust' over these bases. Singapore doesn't. Why Indonesia?

As for amidamaru, I am ignoring his outbursts. Before he was attacking Chinese-Australians, now he is after Pakistani-Australians and any other Australian he doesn't personally approve of. It's a lost cause.

Nothing you have written has been on topic. Don't try to pretend it has been.

Not going to go around in circles with you. You have derailed the thread

 

[Kompromat]

Ah yes. I totally believe you then. Have you heard the story of Pakistan planning to nuke Eygpt in response to Indian sheep herders incorrectly feeding their stock?

It's a true story, it comes from intel sources.

You are free not to believe it , wont change anything.

Nuclear subs have been visiting Australia for the past 40 years,

They will be "permanently stationed now". Also the possibility of USAF F-22s.

Please have it closed. Developereo has already derailed it with his garbage and i asked him pages back to stop derailing and he continued.

I also told mods via the report system but as usual they never do their job.

Wont be long

 

[Developereo]

Nothing you have written has been on topic. Don't try to pretend it has been.

Not going to go around in circles with you. You have derailed the thread

The central issue is 'mistrust' between Indonesia and Australia. The issue of the Marines is just symptomatic of a deeper question. Just because you want to scratch the surface and refuse to address the core question will not make it go away.

 

[xdrive]

You've already posted that and i'v already posted saying that's incorrect and you are just branching off into another topic. You must stick to the specific topic that is written. If you want to discuss the topic you want to discuss, make your own thread.

This thread is based on the specific news story posted.

 

[Beast]

Actually, all the while Australia is friendly towards china. It's PM snub Dalai Lama. It's economy is heavily tie to china not US.

The station of 2500 marines sounds like a counter towards China. In fact, Australia is making this opportunity to make sure of 2500 US marine to act as a warning towards Indonesia. If Indonesia attack Australia, US marine will side with Australia.

All the while Indonesia is always Australia biggest enemy after the Japanese of WWII. It's population is 10 times of Australia.

 

[Developereo]

Actually, all the while Australia is friendly towards china. It's PM snub Dalai Lama. It's economy is heavily tie to china not US.

The station of 2500 marines sounds like a counter towards China. In fact, Australia is making this opportunity to make sure of 2500 US marine to act as a warning towards Indonesia. If Indonesia attack Australia, US marine will side with Australia.

All the while Indonesia is always Australia biggest enemy after the Japanese of WWII. It's population is 10 times of Australia.

The placement of these Marines at this particular base (as opposed to WA) was clearly meant to send a signal to Indonesia.

By the way, you will soon realize that 90% of the Australian posters on this forum are Indian-Australians. You can tell by the way are rabidly racist against China and Pakistan, but always praise Indians. It's a typical Indian tactic.

 

[xdrive]

The placement of these Marines at this particular base (as opposed to WA) was clearly meant to send a signal to Indonesia.

No.

By the way, you will soon realize that 90% of the Australian posters on this forum are Indian-Australians. You can tell by the way are rabidly racist against China and Pakistan, but always praise Indians. It's a typical Indian tactic.

Again, posting more off topic garbage. Take your hate elsewhere.