Indonesia to buy 24 refurbished US F-16 fighters

[T90TankGuy]

Sorry to say we have already done the comparison many times.... only difference is that Indonesia will get old F-16 while we have compared JFT with blk-52 and Eurofighter.. much to your disappointment on every single occasion JFT came out winner.

Offering F-16 to Indonesia is clear signal of insecure feeling in anti JFT camp.

US and indians are working over time to hurt the sales of JFT... through various channels and since long time ago both states are weighing F-35 to counter JFT.

Shame on Pakistan's President and Prime Minister for failing to put a counter offer to Indonesians.

were any professionals involved in this comparison , or what it just the (armchair) warriors here.

 

[Qasibr]

suddenly f-16 became not so lethal and old junk . Any one Need good salesman??

Man learn a thing or two. Who said anything about F-16s not being so lethal, or junk? Have you been smoking the cheap ganja again?

were any professionals involved in this comparison , or what it just the (armchair) warriors here.

Yes. Unlike you, real professions were used. If you're not well-read, it's not our fault. Indians like to believe alot of fairytales (especially from the Bharat Rat-Shaker's forum), but desperately avoid facts. We pitted F-16s against Eurofighters, won three out of three WVR engagements, Indians couldn't believe this had happened and came up with all sorts of fairytales. And eventually it turned out this had happened, confirmed by Alan Warnes(then editor-in-chief of AFM, the famous brit aero magazine) and other sources. The JF-17 was reported to have flown against the Eurofighter as well, but that isn't been confirmed.

Alot of people were interested in how well JF-17s fared against PAF F-16s, and results of that engagement are well-known. You can do some research and educate yourself. JF-17 doesn't trump the F-16 in every area, no-one said it does, but there are a number of areas in which this quantifiably does so. India has *one* single thing, that they built that bloated unmanouverable airframe of Tejas that can only go to 6 G's, with some composite materials. And they seem to worship composite materials now, and this one single thing somehow makes Tejas an incredibly superior aircraft(in their fairytales it's won many fights).

 

[manojb]

Man learn a thing or two. Who said anything about F-16s not being so lethal, or junk? Have you been smoking the cheap ganja again?

DID you read all the posts in this thread?? Just go to first page.. this no epic thread.. thanks

 

[T90TankGuy]

Man learn a thing or two. Who said anything about F-16s not being so lethal, or junk? Have you been smoking the cheap ganja again?



Yes. Unlike you, real professions were used. If you're not well-read, it's not our fault. Indians like to believe alot of fairytales (especially from the Bharat Rat-Shaker's forum), but desperately avoid facts. We pitted F-16s against Eurofighters, won three out of three WVR engagements, Indians couldn't believe this had happened and came up with all sorts of fairytales. And eventually it turned out this had happened, confirmed by Alan Warnes(then editor-in-chief of AFM, the famous brit aero magazine) and other sources. The JF-17 was reported to have flown against the Eurofighter as well, but that isn't been confirmed.

Alot of people were interested in how well JF-17s fared against PAF F-16s, and results of that engagement are well-known. You can do some research and educate yourself. JF-17 doesn't trump the F-16 in every area, no-one said it does, but there are a number of areas in which this quantifiably does so. India has *one* single thing, that they built that bloated unmanouverable airframe of Tejas that can only go to 6 G's, with some composite materials. And they seem to worship composite materials now, and this one single thing somehow makes Tejas an incredibly superior aircraft(in their fairytales it's won many fights).

i am not talking about PAF f 16 . but J17 against f16 block 52 and against the eurofighter. would appreciate you educating me whit any credible source which says the J17 is better.

 

[punisher]

Man learn a thing or two. Who said anything about F-16s not being so lethal, or junk? Have you been smoking the cheap ganja again?



Yes. Unlike you, real professions were used. If you're not well-read, it's not our fault. Indians like to believe alot of fairytales (especially from the Bharat Rat-Shaker's forum), but desperately avoid facts. We pitted F-16s against Eurofighters, won three out of three WVR engagements, Indians couldn't believe this had happened and came up with all sorts of fairytales. And eventually it turned out this had happened, confirmed by Alan Warnes(then editor-in-chief of AFM, the famous brit aero magazine) and other sources. The JF-17 was reported to have flown against the Eurofighter as well, but that isn't been confirmed.

Alot of people were interested in how well JF-17s fared against PAF F-16s, and results of that engagement are well-known. You can do some research and educate yourself. JF-17 doesn't trump the F-16 in every area, no-one said it does, but there are a number of areas in which this quantifiably does so. India has *one* single thing, that they built that bloated unmanouverable airframe of Tejas that can only go to 6 G's, with some composite materials. And they seem to worship composite materials now, and this one single thing somehow makes Tejas an incredibly superior aircraft(in their fairytales it's won many fights).

JFT g-limit 8.5g/-3g
LCA g-limit 9g/-3.5g

If u don't know about delta wing. better don't talk non-sense. what eva you calling about bharat rakshak . We do feeling same about ... ok. be quite don't show your bad attitude to every body.

 

[Andross]

Can't compare F16 which has seen action and is time tested to the metal JF17 which has no composites

 

[T90TankGuy]

by the way has the j17 got its avionics and its aesa radar?

 

[punisher]

Man learn a thing or two. Who said anything about F-16s not being so lethal, or junk? Have you been smoking the cheap ganja again?



Yes. Unlike you, real professions were used. If you're not well-read, it's not our fault. Indians like to believe alot of fairytales (especially from the Bharat Rat-Shaker's forum), but desperately avoid facts. We pitted F-16s against Eurofighters, won three out of three WVR engagements, Indians couldn't believe this had happened and came up with all sorts of fairytales. And eventually it turned out this had happened, confirmed by Alan Warnes(then editor-in-chief of AFM, the famous brit aero magazine) and other sources. The JF-17 was reported to have flown against the Eurofighter as well, but that isn't been confirmed.

Alot of people were interested in how well JF-17s fared against PAF F-16s, and results of that engagement are well-known. You can do some research and educate yourself. JF-17 doesn't trump the F-16 in every area, no-one said it does, but there are a number of areas in which this quantifiably does so. India has *one* single thing, that they built that bloated unmanouverable airframe of Tejas that can only go to 6 G's, with some composite materials. And they seem to worship composite materials now, and this one single thing somehow makes Tejas an incredibly superior aircraft(in their fairytales it's won many fights).

JF-17 is compromised in many things

Composites, C language, metal airframe.... to reduce cost. Winning of JF-17 against Typhoon is your self imagination. im not saying Typhoon will win always, but shoot down of Typhoon is not that much easy as you think.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Another one of my judgements came true, I told you Indonesian Air Force would prefer to buy American equipment at some point of time and the deal was closer.

Folks F-16 is an excellent platform, though the problem is relations with US and exercising Sanctions against its customers more often.

Did you people know Indonesia was to buy KAI T-50, US could have temporarily blocked the deal in favor of F-16s until F-16s are inducted, later on KAI T-50 sales can continue to replace BAE Hawks. "Kill two birds with one stone".

You idiots stay on topic specially hindustani members.

 

[Tshering22]

Indonesia is going to be one of the few countries around the world that has both Russian and US jets operating at the same time without sanctions on either, with this. Wonder why they're going for refurbished ones rather than brand new some other jets like Gripen or something that is more likely to suit them.

From the way I see it, simply a political decision.

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

JFT g-limit 8.5g/-3g
LCA g-limit 9g/-3.5g

If u don't know about delta wing. better don't talk non-sense. what eva you calling about bharat rakshak . We do feeling same about ... ok. be quite don't show your bad attitude to every body.

the mig25 managed to shoot down a f18 in desert storm. and we all know the f18 is 25 times more agile. it has nothing to do with agility. f16 is more agile then a f15

 

[punisher]

the mig25 managed to shoot down a f18 in desert storm. and we all know the f18 is 25 times more agile. it has nothing to do with agility. f16 is more agile then a f15

Im talking about possibilities will be less. he talked about G- limits, so i stated about it. Even F-117 also shot down in 1999 so is that mean we can always bring down F-117. that will happens in very less cases.

 

[Qasibr]

DID you read all the posts in this thread?? Just go to first page.. this no epic thread.. thanks

Yes, it has only been claimed that the JF-17 exceeds the F-16 in some areas. BVR-engagement range(with slightly older AIM-120 AMRAAMs that most countries have, not the AIM-120Ds that are being developed), manouverability, Radar Cross-Section are areas where the JF-17 exceeds the F-16.

tejas is 60% indian project and prove jf-17 10 percent pakistani,even chinese using russian engine.
may be you financed it bit

You should read news-sources before making assertions. Rightnow, Pakistan's airframe-manufacturing capability is 50%(in Block-I) and increasing with future blocks, JF-17 is built using Swedish-origin aeronautics heavy-machinery(they develop the JAS-39). We also manufacture avionics for it, and our share in manufacturing the KLJ-07 radar is also increasing(we have previously manufactured Italian Galileo radars for our upgraded F-7s, Galileo is the same company that manufactures the Eurofighter radar). So the JF-17 is very much our own aircraft. We don't just assemble it like India's "indigenous" SU-30s where Russia doubles the price for them and India has to put up.

i am not talking about PAF f 16 . but J17 against f16 block 52 and against the eurofighter. would appreciate you educating me whit any credible source which says the J17 is better.

Again your knowledge has gaps."Not PAF F-16 but Block-52"... PAF operates Block-52 as well as older blocks, and older ones are being upgraded in batches rightnow. JF-17 excels in remaining unsanctionable by Uncle Sam, which they tend to do quiet often, especially during war by blocking spares when you need it the most. JF-17 is known to have won mock-dogfights against F-16 Block-15(which is the most manouverable Block, Block-52 has airframe modifications that allow it to carry extra fuel and stuff, at the cost of manouverability), so manouverability is something in which the JF-17 excels.

JFT g-limit 8.5g/-3g
LCA g-limit 9g/-3.5g

If u don't know about delta wing. better don't talk non-sense. what eva you calling about bharat rakshak . We do feeling same about ... ok. be quite don't show your bad attitude to every body.

9gs only in fanboy's wet dreams. Currently the Tejas goes to 6gs, as quoted by various official sources, but they hope to improve that. Just like JF-17 is likely to improve it's performance as well, in Block-II starting from 2012. Please use google and educate yourself.

JF-17 is compromised in many things

Composites, C language, metal airframe.... to reduce cost. Winning of JF-17 against Typhoon is your self imagination. im not saying Typhoon will win always, but shoot down of Typhoon is not that much easy as you think.

You know very little about many things. It is a modern trend that latest-gen aircraft don't use older low-level languages anymore, they don't have to because on-board processors are much more powerful. Older F-16 Blocks used Ada, latest Block-60 uses C++. F-35 uses C++ too. The airframe is aluminum alloy, with composites used in some areas, just like Tejas. Tejas uses a greater share of composite materials, but that's like the one single thing fanboys keep harping about, the composites. Our F-16s bested the Eurofighter in three out of three engagements, the Indians couldn't believe it but it was proven to be true in the end.

 

[punisher]

Yes, it has only been claimed that the JF-17 exceeds the F-16 in some areas. BVR-engagement range(with slightly older AIM-120 AMRAAMs that most countries have, not the AIM-120Ds that are being developed), manouverability, Radar Cross-Section are areas where the JF-17 exceeds the F-16.



You should read news-sources before making assertions. Rightnow, Pakistan's airframe-manufacturing capability is 50%(in Block-I) and increasing with future blocks, JF-17 is built using Swedish-origin aeronautics heavy-machinery(they develop the JAS-39). We also manufacture avionics for it, and our share in manufacturing the KLJ-07 radar is also increasing(we have previously manufactured Italian Galileo radars for our upgraded F-7s, Galileo is the same company that manufactures the Eurofighter radar). So the JF-17 is very much our own aircraft. We don't just assemble it like India's "indigenous" SU-30s where Russia doubles the price for them and India has to put up.



Again your knowledge has gaps."Not PAF F-16 but Block-52"... PAF operates Block-52 as well as older blocks, and older ones are being upgraded in batches rightnow. JF-17 excels in remaining unsanctionable by Uncle Sam, which they tend to do quiet often, especially during war by blocking spares when you need it the most. JF-17 is known to have won mock-dogfights against F-16 Block-15(which is the most manouverable Block, Block-52 has airframe modifications that allow it to carry extra fuel and stuff, at the cost of manouverability), so manouverability is something in which the JF-17 excels.



9gs only in fanboy's wet dreams. Currently the Tejas goes to 6gs, as quoted by various official sources, but they hope to improve that. Just like JF-17 is likely to improve it's performance as well, in Block-II starting from 2012. Please use google and educate yourself.



You know very little about many things. It is a modern trend that latest-gen aircraft don't use older low-level languages anymore, they don't have to because on-board processors are much more powerful. Older F-16 Blocks used Ada, latest Block-60 uses C++. F-35 uses C++ too. The airframe is aluminum alloy, with composites used in some areas, just like Tejas. Tejas uses a greater share of composite materials, but that's like the one single thing fanboys keep harping about, the composites. Our F-16s bested the Eurofighter in three out of three engagements, the Indians couldn't believe it but it was proven to be true in the end.

you are such ignorant. when you worked in HAL. When you flown Tejas.

Lol i can see who is fanboy now

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Appa khabar Indon bros, Good for Indnesia but Indonesia can also look in to getting JF-17 thunders.
tarema kasi.