Indonesia Slams Asean Failure to Reach Resolution on South China Sea Disput

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Indonesia Slams Asean Failure to Reach Resolution on South China Sea Dispute | The Jakarta Globe

Robert Carmichael & Mary Kozlovski | July 13, 2012
Phnom Penh. Indonesia has slammed the inability of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations to agree to a common position over the South China Sea as "utterly irresponsible."

The 10-member bloc remained unable to agree on Thursday on the wording over recent actions by China in its ongoing disputes with Asean member states in contested maritime areas.

The issue has dominated this week's meetings in the Cambodian capital. Beijing claims most of the South China Sea, which holds key shipping lanes and is believed to be rich in oil and gas reserves. Asean members Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam and the Philippines also have claims.

The Philippines wanted Asean's statement to reference China's recent "aggressive" actions near the Scarborough Shoal. However Asean works on consensus, and at least one nation — believed to be 2012 chair Cambodia — blocked that.

"Whenever there are incidents, that's actually the moment that we should reinforce our efforts, not be grinding to a halt," said Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa, who declined to comment on whether he believed Cambodia was doing China's bidding.

"This is a time when Asean should be seen to be acting as one," he said. "I find it perplexing, and to be candid and honest, really, really disappointing."

However, Asean Secretary-General Surin Pitsuwan downplayed the failure as "a hiccup."

"We thought we could get one united position on everything. That's the expectation, that's the hope," he said, adding that efforts to reach a deal would continue.

Philippine Foreign Minister Albert del Rosario told the Asean Regional Forum that the international community should be worried about China's behavior, which he said amounted to "gross violations" of international conventions and was "part and parcel of [China's] creeping imposition of its claim over the entire South China Sea."

Also on Thursday, visiting US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said countries with competing claims should not resort to threats or force.

The US would not take sides, Clinton said, and multilateral bodies such as the regional forum should play a role in formulating rules of behavior and ways to broker deals.

Territorial disputes were best resolved directly between competing claimants whenever possible, Clinton said, although more complex disputes could warrant a multilateral approach.

Meanwhile, European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton on Thursday welcomed an earlier announcement by the US that it had eased sanctions on Asean member Myanmar, allowing US businesses to invest in the country.

"There's still more reform to do, but we're very pleased with the way this is moving," she said, adding that the newly opened door to investment was "fantastic."

Cambodia is hosting a string of Asean meetings from July 9-13 for more than two-dozen foreign ministry delegations, including the US, China, Russia, Japan and the EU.

 

[Yukio]

Indonesia Slams Asean Failure to Reach Resolution on South China Sea Dispute | The Jakarta Globe

Robert Carmichael & Mary Kozlovski | July 13, 2012
Phnom Penh. Indonesia has slammed the inability of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations to agree to a common position over the South China Sea as "utterly irresponsible."

The 10-member bloc remained unable to agree on Thursday on the wording over recent actions by China in its ongoing disputes with Asean member states in contested maritime areas.

The issue has dominated this week's meetings in the Cambodian capital. Beijing claims most of the South China Sea, which holds key shipping lanes and is believed to be rich in oil and gas reserves. Asean members Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam and the Philippines also have claims.

The Philippines wanted Asean's statement to reference China's recent "aggressive" actions near the Scarborough Shoal. However Asean works on consensus, and at least one nation — believed to be 2012 chair Cambodia — blocked that.

"Whenever there are incidents, that's actually the moment that we should reinforce our efforts, not be grinding to a halt," said Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa, who declined to comment on whether he believed Cambodia was doing China's bidding.

"This is a time when Asean should be seen to be acting as one," he said. "I find it perplexing, and to be candid and honest, really, really disappointing."

However, Asean Secretary-General Surin Pitsuwan downplayed the failure as "a hiccup."

"We thought we could get one united position on everything. That's the expectation, that's the hope," he said, adding that efforts to reach a deal would continue.

Philippine Foreign Minister Albert del Rosario told the Asean Regional Forum that the international community should be worried about China's behavior, which he said amounted to "gross violations" of international conventions and was "part and parcel of [China's] creeping imposition of its claim over the entire South China Sea."

Also on Thursday, visiting US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said countries with competing claims should not resort to threats or force.

The US would not take sides, Clinton said, and multilateral bodies such as the regional forum should play a role in formulating rules of behavior and ways to broker deals.

Territorial disputes were best resolved directly between competing claimants whenever possible, Clinton said, although more complex disputes could warrant a multilateral approach.

Meanwhile, European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton on Thursday welcomed an earlier announcement by the US that it had eased sanctions on Asean member Myanmar, allowing US businesses to invest in the country.

"There's still more reform to do, but we're very pleased with the way this is moving," she said, adding that the newly opened door to investment was "fantastic."

Cambodia is hosting a string of Asean meetings from July 9-13 for more than two-dozen foreign ministry delegations, including the US, China, Russia, Japan and the EU.

No one really likes CHINA in ASEAN except their puppet Cambodia

 

[NiceGuy]

No one really likes CHINA in ASEAN except their puppet Cambodia

Infact Cambodia is our ally, just bcz Phil still hasn't showed her colaboration to VN-Malaysia's joint submission yet, that's why, no resolution were reached .

On 6 May 2009 Malaysia and Vietnam made a joint submission to the CLCS for a portion of the continental shelf of the two States into the South China Sea.[88]The area of the extended continental shelf is between the 200 nm limits of the two States measured from the baselines along the coasts of Vietnam and the East Malaysian states of Sarawak and Sabah. The area does not infringe on existing bilateral continental shelf agreements of the two States with Indonesia. The submission advises the Commission that of the existence of unresolved boundary disputes in the defined area of the submission, and that to the extent possible, the submission would not prejudice matters relating to the delimitation of boundaries in the area[89].
On 7 May 2009 Vietnam made a Submission to the CLCS[90]in the area north of its joint submission with Malaysia. The northern boundary in this submission is an equidistance line measured from the baselines of Vietnam and China. Vietnam stated in its submission that it is of the view that the area of the continental shelf which is the subject of this submission is not subject to any overlap or dispute.[91]

Notes Verbale of Philippines on Joint Submission of Malaysia and Vietnam and on Submission of Vietnam

On 4 August 2009 the Philippines submitted separate Notes Verbale to the UN Secretary-General in response to the Joint Submission of Malaysia and Vietnam[92]and on the Submission of Vietnam[93]. The Note to the Joint Submission states that the extended continental shelf claim by Malaysia and Vietnam lays claim on areas that are disputed because they overlap with that of the Philippines and “because of the controversy arising from the territorial claims on some of the islands in the area including North Borneo.” The latter objection is a reference to the historical claim of the Philippines to what is now the East Malaysian State of Sabah, which was formerly known as North Borneo.
The note of the Philippines further pointed out that given the existence of maritime disputes, the Philippines requests that under paragraph 1(5) of Annex I of the rules of procedure of the Commission, “in cases where a land or maritime dispute exists, the Commission shall not consider and qualify a submission may by any of the States concerned in the dispute.” The note then requested the Commission to refrain from considering the Joint Submission unless and until after the parties have discussed and resolved their disputes.
CLCS submissions and claims in the South China Sea, by Robert C. Beckman & Tara Davenport

 

[LetsGetRowdy]

No one really likes CHINA in ASEAN except their puppet Cambodia

We have good relations with pretty much all the member states in ASEAN except for Philippines and Vietnam.

 

[ViXuyen]

Both the Indonesian and Malaysian will feel the presence of the Chinese pretty soon; mark my words for it. Don't believe me? Look how the Chinese have invaded the Paracel and Spatley island of Viet Nam. These chinamen did not stop there, now they have invaded the Phillipines. A few years ago at ASEAN meeting, we warned members (Filipines included) about the Chinese, nobody cared, they thought we were bluffiing. A few years later, the first victim of the Chinese invasion is the Phillipines. ....such a classic moment of I told ya so

 

[auspice]

What a shame! Cambodia as the Chair of ASEAN has failed miserably. Cambodia's stance has CHINA written all over it. It was mistake for ASEAN to have an unexperienced and poorer state than the Philippines to lead it. Very disappointing. It can't even protect his fellow ASEAN from the might of bully CHINA! my goodness! What a puppet state! ASEAN is so proud to model itself from the EU but in reality it can't unite! That is a stark contrast to the EU where they are all united. Shame on Cambodia, better replace them as chairman of the ASEAN , nothing will happen favorable to all members if still Cambodia holds the chairmanship. This nation can't protect the interest of it's associates.

 

[dunhill]

Viet monkeys and flips can cry all they want. Retribution is coming for them.

Mind your language !!! MOD can you take care of this matter or you will OK for me to put Chinese same way what they been called Viet.

What a shame! Cambodia as the Chair of ASEAN has failed miserably. Cambodia's stance has CHINA written all over it. It was mistake for ASEAN to have an unexperienced and poorer state than the Philippines to lead it. Very disappointing. It can't even protect his fellow ASEAN from the might of bully CHINA! my goodness! What a puppet state! ASEAN is so proud to model itself from the EU but in reality it can't unite! That is a stark contrast to the EU where they are all united. Shame on Cambodia, better replace them as chairman of the ASEAN , nothing will happen favorable to all members if still Cambodia holds the chairmanship. This nation can't protect the interest of it's associates.

Cambodia already received millions of dollars from China. That's why !!!

 

[auspice]

Indonesia Slams Asean Failure to Reach Resolution on South China Sea Dispute | The Jakarta Globe

Robert Carmichael & Mary Kozlovski | July 13, 2012
Phnom Penh. Indonesia has slammed the inability of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations to agree to a common position over the South China Sea as "utterly irresponsible."

The 10-member bloc remained unable to agree on Thursday on the wording over recent actions by China in its ongoing disputes with Asean member states in contested maritime areas.

The issue has dominated this week's meetings in the Cambodian capital. Beijing claims most of the South China Sea, which holds key shipping lanes and is believed to be rich in oil and gas reserves. Asean members Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam and the Philippines also have claims.

The Philippines wanted Asean's statement to reference China's recent "aggressive" actions near the Scarborough Shoal. However Asean works on consensus, and at least one nation — believed to be 2012 chair Cambodia — blocked that.

"Whenever there are incidents, that's actually the moment that we should reinforce our efforts, not be grinding to a halt," said Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa, who declined to comment on whether he believed Cambodia was doing China's bidding.

"This is a time when Asean should be seen to be acting as one," he said. "I find it perplexing, and to be candid and honest, really, really disappointing."

However, Asean Secretary-General Surin Pitsuwan downplayed the failure as "a hiccup."

"We thought we could get one united position on everything. That's the expectation, that's the hope," he said, adding that efforts to reach a deal would continue.

Philippine Foreign Minister Albert del Rosario told the Asean Regional Forum that the international community should be worried about China's behavior, which he said amounted to "gross violations" of international conventions and was "part and parcel of [China's] creeping imposition of its claim over the entire South China Sea."

Also on Thursday, visiting US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said countries with competing claims should not resort to threats or force.

The US would not take sides, Clinton said, and multilateral bodies such as the regional forum should play a role in formulating rules of behavior and ways to broker deals.

Territorial disputes were best resolved directly between competing claimants whenever possible, Clinton said, although more complex disputes could warrant a multilateral approach.

Meanwhile, European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton on Thursday welcomed an earlier announcement by the US that it had eased sanctions on Asean member Myanmar, allowing US businesses to invest in the country.

"There's still more reform to do, but we're very pleased with the way this is moving," she said, adding that the newly opened door to investment was "fantastic."

Cambodia is hosting a string of Asean meetings from July 9-13 for more than two-dozen foreign ministry delegations, including the US, China, Russia, Japan and the EU.

At least the lines have been drawn and we know who is for the Philippines and who is against. You know who your friends are!

 

[Tshering22]

ASEAN must come to a common stand vis a vis China because this division of opinions is going to get them nowhere. For reasons beyond understanding (other than the obvious vice-grip economic aid), Cambodia seems to be so enamored by the Chinese. ASEAN must understand that trade is the secondary priority always compared to national sovereignty and security.

Without a united ASEAN, Southeast is in grave danger.

 

[dunhill]

Can't stand the heat? Maybe you should tell your Viet monkey friends to watch their language first then.

The person that can not standing the heat is YOU.

 

[OrionHunter]

Viet monkeys and flips can cry all they want. Retribution is coming for them.

Mind your language. How can you call the Vietnamese people, 'MONKEYS'? What are you guys anyway? God's own farts?

 

[auspice]

ASEAN must come to a common stand vis a vis China because this division of opinions is going to get them nowhere. For reasons beyond understanding (other than the obvious vice-grip economic aid), Cambodia seems to be so enamored by the Chinese. ASEAN must understand that trade is the secondary priority always compared to national sovereignty and security.

Without a united ASEAN, Southeast is in grave danger.

China knows that it only has to buy one ASEAN member to sabotage the organization. It is only sad that Cambodia sold its soul cheap to China. Now, the fate of ASEAN rests on the cheap decision of another member country. Cambodia's tolerance of China's aggressiveness will be their downfall.

 

[S10]

Mind your fu@kin' language. How can you call the Vietnamese people, 'MONKEYS'? What are you guys anyway? God's own farts?

I see you Indians conveniently overlooked the fact that it was the Viet monkeys that started with the "chink" talk. Misery loves company and you guys are a match made in heaven.

 

[dunhill]

China knows that it only has to buy one ASEAN member to sabotage the organization. It is only sad that Cambodia sold its soul cheap to China. Now, the fate of ASEAN rests on the cheap decision of another member country. Cambodia's tolerance of China's aggressiveness will be their downfall.

Cambodia killed their own kind for once [Khmer Rouge_Maoist], then there is no such any guaranteed that Cambodia can not sells anybody and any countries that so-called "ASEAN".

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Indonesia Slams Asean Failure to Reach Resolution on South China Sea Dispute | The Jakarta Globe

Robert Carmichael & Mary Kozlovski | July 13, 2012
Phnom Penh. Indonesia has slammed the inability of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations to agree to a common position over the South China Sea as "utterly irresponsible."

The 10-member bloc remained unable to agree on Thursday on the wording over recent actions by China in its ongoing disputes with Asean member states in contested maritime areas.

The issue has dominated this week's meetings in the Cambodian capital. Beijing claims most of the South China Sea, which holds key shipping lanes and is believed to be rich in oil and gas reserves. Asean members Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam and the Philippines also have claims.

The Philippines wanted Asean's statement to reference China's recent "aggressive" actions near the Scarborough Shoal. However Asean works on consensus, and at least one nation — believed to be 2012 chair Cambodia — blocked that.

"Whenever there are incidents, that's actually the moment that we should reinforce our efforts, not be grinding to a halt," said Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa, who declined to comment on whether he believed Cambodia was doing China's bidding.

"This is a time when Asean should be seen to be acting as one," he said. "I find it perplexing, and to be candid and honest, really, really disappointing."

However, Asean Secretary-General Surin Pitsuwan downplayed the failure as "a hiccup."

"We thought we could get one united position on everything. That's the expectation, that's the hope," he said, adding that efforts to reach a deal would continue.

Philippine Foreign Minister Albert del Rosario told the Asean Regional Forum that the international community should be worried about China's behavior, which he said amounted to "gross violations" of international conventions and was "part and parcel of [China's] creeping imposition of its claim over the entire South China Sea."

Also on Thursday, visiting US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said countries with competing claims should not resort to threats or force.

The US would not take sides, Clinton said, and multilateral bodies such as the regional forum should play a role in formulating rules of behavior and ways to broker deals.

Territorial disputes were best resolved directly between competing claimants whenever possible, Clinton said, although more complex disputes could warrant a multilateral approach.

Meanwhile, European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton on Thursday welcomed an earlier announcement by the US that it had eased sanctions on Asean member Myanmar, allowing US businesses to invest in the country.

"There's still more reform to do, but we're very pleased with the way this is moving," she said, adding that the newly opened door to investment was "fantastic."

Cambodia is hosting a string of Asean meetings from July 9-13 for more than two-dozen foreign ministry delegations, including the US, China, Russia, Japan and the EU.

Cambodians have shown the inability to lead. They have already made their own bad image.