Indonesia picks the F-15EX to push back on China

[Paji]

Why not?

Because authoritarian regimes breed yesmen . That is why the Soviets couldnt ultimately keep up with the Americans. All 4.x gen and 5th gen American planes are battle tested. Let us see how the Chinese planes perform in combat and then compare.

 

[KAL-EL]

Very good strategic choice for Indonesia.

If the Komodo dragon could talk, it would give a hearty congratulations

 

[White and Green with M/S]

F-15EX is for air superiority while Rafale is for bombing.

Stupid both are Multirole fighter jets, MEANS THEY CAN PERFORM AIR-SUPERIORTY TO GROUND ATTACK/ANTI SHIP MISSIONS IN A SINGLE STORIE

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

I am not an expert, but i have many friends and family in military circles. Their consensus opinion is that while American equipment is expensive and comes with strings, it is the most high quality and reliable. While many Indians would not admit it, until India got the Rafales, we did not have any plane that was definitively superior to the old Pakistani F16s. Those who fought against Pakistan in 1971 or 1965 will also admit that the latest American equipment Pakistan deployed at that time was superior to what india fielded.

Utilizing domestically designed fighter jets within a nation's air force is inherently more reliable and advantageous. An illustration of this is Tejas, which has logged over 6000 flight hours without any accidents. In contrast, foreign-made aircraft like Rafales or Mirages exhibit lower crash rates when operated by the French air force. This pattern extends to countries including the US, China, Russia, Britain, and France. It's important to recognize that nations like Japan or Korea have unique circumstances. They've effectively ceded their foreign policy to the USA, resulting in their military serving as an extension of the US military and thus being fully controlled by the US. This alignment elucidates their relatively smooth management of military equipment.

 

[maithil]

Great choice. Rafale and F-15EX combination has made it most lethal Airforce in region. Congratulations.

Great choice. Rafale and F-15EX combination has made it most lethal Airforce in region. Congratulations.

 

[Indos]

Great choice. Rafale and F-15EX combination has made it most lethal Airforce in region. Congratulations.

Great choice. Rafale and F-15EX combination has made it most lethal Airforce in region. Congratulations.

Thanks

Dont forget we still have 10 F16 AM/BM that has been undergone upgrade and refurbished in the country.

Our 23 F16 C/D will also be upgraded into Viper variant (block 72). Already get approval from Finance Ministry and would likely start the program in 2025.

Current SU27/30 are undergoing upgrade as well.

 

[Fasbre2]

Excellent choice.


Pakistan should also buy 2 squadrons of F-15EX

Indonesian F-15EX and Pakistani F-15EX can crush the Indians from both the sides.

Did you just get released from the loony bin again..

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Yes very true f15EX is for Chinese enemies

And the chinese have no one to blame but themselves.

Turns out claiming territory and threatening to nuke people makes other country starts hoarding weapons.

China threatens Australia with missile attack | The Strategist

In the face of an increasing torrent of abuse from Beijing, Canberra should seek a much clearer commitment from Washington that its United States ally will retaliate if China launches a missile attack against Australia. ...

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[OIO]

And the chinese have no one to blame but themselves.

Turns out claiming territory and threatening to nuke people makes other country starts hoarding weapons.

China threatens Australia with missile attack | The Strategist

In the face of an increasing torrent of abuse from Beijing, Canberra should seek a much clearer commitment from Washington that its United States ally will retaliate if China launches a missile attack against Australia. ...

www.aspistrategist.org.au

You guys always force China to take military measures, China really doesn't want to start this.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

You guys always force China to take military measures, China really doesn't want to start this.

Did Obama forced you at gunpoint to claim 90% of SCS/WPS, take spratly islands and militarize it against international laws even your own? That's only on our part of the region. I don't need to tell you about how your country pissed off the indian.

What the hell do you think is going to happen?

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

Excellent choice.


Pakistan should also buy 2 squadrons of F-15EX

Indonesian F-15EX and Pakistani F-15EX can crush the Indians from both the sides.

This indian troll is still active..

If you say Earth is Flat and You are superman who can fly and shoot lasers from your eyes then that is more believeable than the stupidity you have shown in above comment.

Btw, if you were not an indian troll, you would have bothered Why we don't use 1 billion dollar received from IMF on food, education and other priorities instead buying 10 F-15EX which will NEVER be allowed in hands of Pakistan at first place.

If you are not a NATO country than buying any American aircrafts is the biggest curse for that country. We had suffered tremendously. You'd not be born and not have known the time period of 90's when we had paid money and not received the more aircrafts and no parts. They gave us expired wheat instead of the F-16s or paying back our cash. They never gave us AMRAAMs until 2010. Even today the F-16s we use are a curse on us because they came on our national sovereignty. American team of contractors always remain stationed for "monitoring". We pay for the "monitoring".

Pakistan will NEVER do any defense deals with Americans from now onwards. The existing ones may continue. Our future is aligned with China, Russia, Iran and middleast. We need no outsiders who create wars for their own hegemony. All of our energy requirements can be fullfillled with Iran & Russia. Sooner our duffers realize, the better. Its inevitable.

 

[antonius123]

As long as J35 is not yet ready to be put on their aircraft carrier, China will still rely on their 4 generation fighters ( Russian design plane ) in SCS. Unlike India with their land border with China, Indonesia is quite far from China.

F15 EX and Rafale have long range capability, this is fit with our country geography.

J-10C and J16 are 4.5 generation.

They both beat SU-35 consistently during mock exercises in China

There's like literally no proof of J-16 having the same "capability" as the F-15EX.

If you looking for the closest comparison is with another 5th gen fighter.

If you want quality weapons but also "free of strings" look up the Turkish stealth fighter programme. Not to mention also cheap with the Lira being the way it is.

On paper J16 has more potent than F-15E.
J-16 brings PL15 and PL21 with max range beyond 400km, plus AESA 1800 TR.

F-15EX is not equipped with an optoelectronic distributed aperture detection system and a forward-looking infrared system, while J-16 has these all.

The F-15EX is equipped with two General Electric F110-GE-129 engines, each with a maximum thrust of 75 kN and a maximum afterburner thrust of 128 kN, while the J-16 is equipped with a self-developed turbocharger. Fan-10B Taihang engine, the maximum thrust of a single engine is 86.37 kN, and the maximum afterburner thrust is 145 kN, so J-16 will have more thrust.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

J-10C and J16 are 4.5 generation.

They both beat SU-35 consistently during mock exercises in China



On paper J16 has more potent than F-15E.
J-16 brings PL15 and PL21 with max range beyond 400km, plus AESA 1800 TR.

F-15EX is not equipped with an optoelectronic distributed aperture detection system and a forward-looking infrared system, while J-16 has these all.

The F-15EX is equipped with two General Electric F110-GE-129 engines, each with a maximum thrust of 75 kN and a maximum afterburner thrust of 128 kN, while the J-16 is equipped with a self-developed turbocharger. Fan-10B Taihang engine, the maximum thrust of a single engine is 86.37 kN, and the maximum afterburner thrust is 145 kN, so J-16 will have more thrust.

LOL Cope.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Defense Minister lauds US for accepting Indonesian military cadets - ANTARA News

Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto extended his appreciation to the United States Defense Minister Lloyd James Austin III for giving opportunities ...

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Defense Minister lauds US for accepting Indonesian military cadets​

25th August 2023

Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto (left) and the United States' Defense Minister Lloyd Austin in the Pentagon, Arlington, Virginia, on Thursday (August 24, 2023). ANTARA/HO-Defense Ministry.
Jakarta (ANTARA) - Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto extended his appreciation to the United States Defense Minister Lloyd James Austin III for giving opportunities to Indonesian military cadets to study in prestigious academies of the US Armed Forces.

"I am so grateful that our youths, our cadets, have been accepted (to study) in the academies of the armed forces of the United States. I am very proud of this historical event," Minister Subianto noted in a written statement received in Jakarta on Friday.

He made the statement on the occasion of his bilateral meeting with Minister Lloyd at the Pentagon Building, Arlington, Virginia, the US, on Thursday (August 24).

The minister expressed optimism that acceptance of Indonesian military cadets to study in US Armed Forces' academies will pave the way for the military leaders of both countries to further strengthen their ties in future.

According to Subianto, seven Indonesian cadets are currently studying in the US on a scholarship program, with three of them studying in the US Naval Academy (USNA), three others in the US Air Force Academy (USAFA), and one in the US Military Academy (USMA).

The minister then expressed hope that Indonesia and the US would be able to continue to further enhance and foster their relations, especially in the field of defense, while upholding the principles of mutual respect and trust for the sake of achieving the interests of both countries.

"Thank you once again for the excellent reception given to me. Let us work on improving and strengthening friendship between the US and Indonesia," he said as cited from a post on his Instagram account @prabowo on Friday.

 

[OIO]

Did Obama forced you at gunpoint to claim 90% of SCS/WPS, take spratly islands and militarize it against international laws even your own? That's only on our part of the region. I don't need to tell you about how your country pissed off the indian.

What the hell do you think is going to happen?

The world should cherish China's love for peace.