Indonesia is the global leader in piracy

[Aepsilons]

Well I am not a fan of karaoke.

Anyways, I thought it was Somalia that is taking the lead on piracy... and I haven't heard any Indonesian pirates on any news.

Somali pirates are more of security risk than small time pirates who operate in Indonesian waters. As far as I know it is the Somalis that target international oil tankers, shipping tankers. I have no doubt that Indonesia can tackle their piracy issue. In fact, this area of the Malay Archipelago , the region between Tawi Tawai Archipelago of the Philippines, and near the Sulawesi island group in Indonesia has been a historically active area for sea piracy. In Philippines there is even an sea gypsy group of people that are known as Bajao , they are known as Sama Bajaw, or sometimes Samah , Samal Bajaow. These are traditionally sea pirates , and their austronesian sea faring culture is the reason why Austronesians (Filipinos, Indonesians, Malaysians, Bruneians, Chamorros --- are all Austronesian Race) have spread so far around the globe; spreading from Taiwan to the Philippines, to present day Borneo, Java, Sumatra, Celebes, Sulawesi, Irian Jaya, Madagascar, Guam, Samoa, New Zealand, Hawaii.....

I think we have to understand that sea faring culture is ingrained in the Southeast Asian Island Race.

 

[Carlosa]

Somali pirates are more of security risk than small time pirates who operate in Indonesian waters. As far as I know it is the Somalis that target international oil tankers, shipping tankers. I have no doubt that Indonesia can tackle their piracy issue. In fact, this area of the Malay Archipelago , the region between Tawi Tawai Archipelago of the Philippines, and near the Sulawesi island group in Indonesia has been a historically active area for sea piracy. In Philippines there is even an sea gypsy group of people that are known as Bajao , they are known as Sama Bajaw, or sometimes Samah , Samal Bajaow. These are traditionally sea pirates , and their austronesian sea faring culture is the reason why Austronesians (Filipinos, Indonesians, Malaysians, Bruneians, Chamorros --- are all Austronesian Race) have spread so far around the globe; spreading from Taiwan to the Philippines, to present day Borneo, Java, Sumatra, Celebes, Sulawesi, Irian Jaya, Madagascar, Guam, Samoa, New Zealand, Hawaii.....

I think we have to understand that sea faring culture is ingrained in the Southeast Asian Island Race.

Its a narrow strait, wouldn't it be relatively easy to monitor it with aircrafts, helos, etc? The tanker ships are quite visible and with plenty of ships patrolling, wouldn't that do it?

austronesian sea faring culture is the reason why Austronesians (Filipinos, Indonesians, Malaysians, Bruneians, Chamorros --- are all Austronesian Race) have spread so far around the globe; spreading from Taiwan to the Philippines, to present day Borneo, Java, Sumatra, Celebes, Sulawesi, Irian Jaya, Madagascar, Guam, Samoa, New Zealand, Hawaii.....

I think we have to understand that sea faring culture is ingrained in the Southeast Asian Island Race.

Wait a moment, I thought the chinese were the first to discover those waters and to navigate them, that's the whole point of their 11 dash line claim. Ohh ok, I got it, I forgot that only the chinese version of history counts.

 

[Aepsilons]

Its a narrow strait, wouldn't it be relatively easy to monitor it with aircrafts, helos, etc? The tanker ships are quite visible and with plenty of ships patrolling, wouldn't that do it?

Yes, and in the Straits of Malaccas --- there is actually active cooperation between Singaporean, Malaysia, Indonesia, and to an extent the Indian , American and JMSDF Navies.

There is constant naval presence there.

Whereas in the Gulf of Aden, there is sparse naval patrols , compared to the overwhelming Somali activity.

Wait a moment, I thought the chinese were the first to discover those waters and to navigate them, that's the whole point of their 11 dash line claim. Ohh ok, I got it, I forgot that only chinese version of history counts.

The Austronesians are part of the proto-mongoloid subclass, my friend. They are an ancient race of people, far older than the Han Chinese, or even the Japanese. Austronesians actually inhabited mainland China thousands of years before the arrival of the first Han from the Siberian plains.

Austronesians are also the 2nd largest group; as there are over 400 million of them.

Austronesian peoples - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Carlosa]

Yes, and in the Straits of Malaccas --- there is actually active cooperation between Singaporean, Malaysia, Indonesia, and to an extent the Indian , American and JMSDF Navies.

There is constant naval presence there.

So how come there is such an increase of piracy in that area? Something doesn't add up.

Yes, and in the Straits of Malaccas --- there is actually active cooperation between Singaporean, Malaysia, Indonesia, and to an extent the Indian , American and JMSDF Navies.

There is constant naval presence there.

Whereas in the Gulf of Aden, there is sparse naval patrols , compared to the overwhelming Somali activity.



The Austronesians are part of the proto-mongoloid subclass, my friend. They are an ancient race of people, far older than the Han Chinese, or even the Japanese. Austronesians actually inhabited mainland China thousands of years before the arrival of the first Han from the Siberian plains.

Austronesians are also the 2nd largest group; as there are over 400 million of them.

Austronesian peoples - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know man, I was being sarcastic, the historical record makes it very clear that the Austronesians extensively navigated those waters all the way to Taiwan before the chinese did. Don't know why this doesn't get mentioned more often.

 

[Aepsilons]

I know man, I was being sarcastic, the historical record makes it very clear that the Austronesians extensively navigated those waters all the way to Taiwan before the chinese did. Don't know why this doesn't get mentioned more often.

If the Indonesians, Filipinos, Malaysians, Bruneians were opportunistic, then they could easily claim China Mainland and Taiwan as historical 'territories' of their Austronesian Race.

Its funny because there are some Chinese claiming they have history on their side , but on the contrary, Austronesians are far older even before the Han even came into existence. Or the Japanese for that matter.

If say Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Brunei were to form one Unified Nation --- there's no reason they wouldn't become a Superpower in time. The combined economies of these countries already rival that of India's own GDP, despite the fact that India's population is over 3 times their size.

It just shows you the potential...

 

[Carlosa]

Somali pirates are more of security risk than small time pirates who operate in Indonesian waters. As far as I know it is the Somalis that target international oil tankers, shipping tankers. I have no doubt that Indonesia can tackle their piracy issue. In fact, this area of the Malay Archipelago , the region between Tawi Tawai Archipelago of the Philippines, and near the Sulawesi island group in Indonesia has been a historically active area for sea piracy. In Philippines there is even an sea gypsy group of people that are known as Bajao , they are known as Sama Bajaw, or sometimes Samah , Samal Bajaow. These are traditionally sea pirates , and their austronesian sea faring culture is the reason why Austronesians (Filipinos, Indonesians, Malaysians, Bruneians, Chamorros --- are all Austronesian Race) have spread so far around the globe; spreading from Taiwan to the Philippines, to present day Borneo, Java, Sumatra, Celebes, Sulawesi, Irian Jaya, Madagascar, Guam, Samoa, New Zealand, Hawaii.....

I think we have to understand that sea faring culture is ingrained in the Southeast Asian Island Race.

Actually, one of those 2 Viet ships that got taken was an oil tanker, so those pirates are getting bolder.

If the Indonesians, Filipnos, Malaysians, Bruneians were opportunistic, then they could easily claim China Mainland and Taiwan as historical 'territories' of their Austronesian Race.

Its funny because there are some Chinese claiming they have history on their side , but on the contrary, Austronesians are far older even before the Han even came into existence. Or the Japanese for that matter.

If say Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Brunei were to form one Unified Nation --- there's no reason they wouldn't become a Superpower in time. The combined economies of these countries already rival that of India's own GDP, despite the fact that India's population is over 3 times their size.

It just shows you the potential...

I agree. Well, when it comes to history, its useless to talk with the chinese. They do quite a bit of history revision to adapt it to their current needs. China was conquered by the Mongols right? Gee, that doesn't look good for chinese ego, so lets fix it, lets make Gengis Kan a chinese, case solved, china was not conquered, it was an internal matter.

 

[Aepsilons]

I agree. Well, when it comes to history, its useless to talk with the chinese. They do quite a bit of history revision to adapt it to their current needs. China was conquered by the Mongols right? Gee, that doesn't look good for chinese ego, so lets fix it, lets make Gengis Kan a chinese, case solved, china was not conquered, it was an internal matter.

Absolutely, historical claims are subjective in nature. It depends on who's historical vantage point. In regards to the South China Seas, the Austronesians were fishing in these waters thousands upon thousands of years even before the first Chinese Empire was established. Even regards to Vietnam; Vietnam claims some islands in the Paracels and Spratleys, but go back 500 years ago, those islands 'belonged' not to the Viets, but to the Cham (Austronesian, btw), or the Mon-Khmers, or even before that, it belonged to the Kingdom of Funan (precursor power to the Khmers).

That's the double edged sword in regards to using history for claims. History goes back even further

 

[Carlosa]

Absolutely, historical claims are subjective in nature. It depends on who's historical vantage point. In regards to the South China Seas, the Austronesians were fishing in these waters thousands upon thousands of years even before the first Chinese Empire was established. Even regards to Vietnam; Vietnam claims some islands in the Paracels and Spratleys, but go back 500 years ago, those islands 'belonged' not to the Viets, but to the Cham (Austronesian, btw), or the Mon-Khmers, or even before that, it belonged to the Kingdom of Funan (precursor power to the Khmers).

That's the double edged sword in regards to using history for claims. History goes back even further

I totally agree, countries choose the point in history that its convenient to them. That's why only current or very recent history can be used, like who controlled the senkakus during the last 100 years? Japan, so case closed.

 

[Aepsilons]

I totally agree, countries choose the point in history that its convenient to them. That's why only current or very recent history can be used, like who controlled the senkakus during the last 100 years? Japan, so case closed.

LOL! Precisely! All that matters now is who controls what in the present.

And reinforcing what one already owns.

Actually, one of those 2 Viet ships that got taken was an oil tanker, so those pirates are getting bolder.

Interesting. Perhaps it is important for Vietnam to start sending a naval squadron to escort ships destined for Vietnam.

 

[DarkElf]

So how come there is such an increase of piracy in that area? Something doesn't add up.

Well the article already explains it, the Malacca Strait itself is safer now. But the pirates are moving to more isolated island.

Also, there's no explanation about the definition of pirate that they use in that article. But in another report/article that I read, some of them give the breakdown and usually they include petty thievery above the ship at port as piracy. That kind of piracy usually constitutes more than half piracy incident. So we don't know for sure what kind of increase piracy that happens right now.

Instead of the Malacca Strait, the pirates have increasingly moved to isolated island groups close to international shipping lanes, such as the Anambas islands and Natuna islands, situated in the middle of the South China Sea.

Another base is emerging around the island of Batam and its nearby neighbor Belakang Island, which is close to Singapore and has become a center for low-cost manufacturing for exports via Singapore.
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[Aepsilons]

Well the article already explains it, the Malacca Strait itself is safer now. But the pirates are moving to more isolated island.

Also, there's no explanation about the definition of pirate that they use in that article. But in another report/article that I read, some of them give the breakdown and usually they include petty thievery above the ship at port as piracy. That kind of piracy usually constitutes more than half piracy incident. So we don't know for sure what kind of increase piracy that happens right now.

Its one of the reasons why Indonesia needs to expand its navy, and to increase its coast guard fleet. Cheers to that.

 

[Huaren]

I agree. Well, when it comes to history, its useless to talk with the chinese. They do quite a bit of history revision to adapt it to their current needs. China was conquered by the Mongols right? Gee, that doesn't look good for chinese ego, so lets fix it, lets make Gengis Kan a chinese, case solved, china was not conquered, it was an internal matter.

As expected of someone who possess little understanding of chinese history, the great Khan was effectively considered as ruler over china in chinese fashion since the founding of yuan dynasty by his grandson, it was he who included his ancestors into the lines of imperial rulers according to the chinese tradition,as the ancestors of founding emperor will always be considered as glorified rulers of dynastic lines by the choice of their descendents. The moment his grandson decided to proclaim his dynasty as official continuetion of imperial line stretching back to the founding of first empire in China to adopt local traditions in order to prove his legitimacy, that was the moment when he has forsaken the mongol identity for the chinese, taking his ancestor line along with his choice (as a way to honour them). Considering the fact that Genghis Kahn actually failed to conquer China and his chinese educated grandson fullfilled this dream, probably in the most unexpected fashion.

And of course there is also the fact that mongolians was part of chinese empire for centuries, since those generations people in china have every right to see the great kahn as one of the most important figure in chinese history, while he himself failed to conquer china, his descendents has accomplished much more and all over the known world, and it was common for the chinese during Qing dynasty to see him as one of national hero (like in the time of border conflicts with russia during reign of Kangxi emperor). But even after the independence of outer mongolia and the rise of consciousness for meaning of ethnic identity in the modern age, the fact that there are far more mongol living inside china as chinese citizens than anywhere else (including outher mongolia) and the shared history for generations, it is right to consider Genghis Khan as being chinese, otherwise the heritage of majority of mongol (who were/are also chinese citizens) would be denied in the process. And the link which was accepted inside and outside of china for centuries would be denounced by disregarding the true reality of history.

There are lots of people who cant comprehend the meaning to be chinese goes much further than han identity, they fail to understand the principles of chinese civilization. Both those who hates China and those chinese who are confined by their own ethnic identity (like Han nationalists or the separatists). But in the end none of them will be able to deny the truth and hold back the steps of time for china or the world.

 

[Nike]

@Carlosa

So are our little differences will be ended with cool head or you want to dragging this down much further?

 

[Jlaw]

Indeed our mighty pirate fleet secure our treasure islands in SCS that Vietnamese Navy forces are just hopeless when they encounter our pirate ships, cant' do nothing but make an "U" turn home

Pirates of the south China sea. awesome movie title for Wanda to make.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Well I am not a fan of karaoke.

Anyways, I thought it was Somalia that is taking the lead on piracy... and I haven't heard any Indonesian pirates on any news.

FYI: the piracy in the Malaccan Strait are internationals. Some from Indonesians, some from Malaysians, Thai, Philippines, Vietnam, almost everyone in ASEAN contribute to piracy in the region. Its like the Caribbean during the golden age of piracy. They just like to park in Indonesia because we have a lot of "blind spots."

Speaking of Pirate does anyone here currently following Black Sails