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Nice, it means we have secured the demand for 105mm to reach economy of scale. The 105mm TOT is worthed (potential for Tank Boat, Pindad-FNSS Medium Tank, and possibly Future Badak).

Maybe, AMX-13 retrofit cost could be cut further since we don't have to import the gun.

IMHO: Better to replace it all with the Medium Tank, our cavalery deserves better equipments. AMX should rest and live to tell it's tales:wave:. In other case, our QR force can utilize these lightweight tanks to



Kids: [nationalism intensifies]:D

There are thing more importants than replacing the AMX in Army inventory like retiring all of our ferrets and saracens.
 
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There are thing more importants than replacing the AMX in Army inventory like retiring all of our ferrets and saracens.

Ah yes, they're even older and less relevant in modern warfare than AMXs. I thought they're already retired after 300+ Anoas produced...
Yep, the Army needs to be smart in spending concerning their budget (replacing/purchase new equipments).

Increase in next year budget is a long awaited breeze for us indeed

what role saladin/ saracen? ifv or scout car? or just apc?

CMIIW, Saracen is an APC, it's role should be passed to Anoas. Ferret is a scout car, modeled after WWII scout cars, should be replaced by Komodos or P6 ATAV, younger, agile, versatile, and made in Indonesia of course:D.
Old timer should be phased out soon. But budget cannot lie, TNI-AD has its own priorities, so important things go first
 
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Ah yes, they're even older and less relevant in modern warfare than AMXs. I thought they're already retired after 300+ Anoas produced...
Yep, the Army needs to be smart in spending concerning their budget (replacing/purchase new equipments).

Increase in next year budget is a long awaited breeze for us indeed



CMIIW, Saracen is an APC, it's role should be passed to Anoas. Ferret is a scout car, modeled after WWII scout cars, should be replaced by Komodos or P6 ATAV, younger, agile, versatile, and made in Indonesia of course:D.
Old timer should be phased out soon. But budget cannot lie, TNI-AD has its own priorities, so important things go first

tni ad need new ifv with 30mm rapid fire gun, with troop transport capability i think.
 
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CMIIW, Saracen is an APC, it's role should be passed to Anoas. Ferret is a scout car, modeled after WWII scout cars, should be replaced by Komodos or P6 ATAV, younger, agile, versatile, and made in Indonesia of course.

Trio saladin, saracen and ferret could be replaced with PINDAD's Badak, Anoa and Komodo. Their replacement plan has been prepared and put in place. Just waiting for the budget to be allocated.

tni ad need new ifv with 30mm rapid fire gun, with troop transport capability i think.
The army already have Marder for a start. If they are satisfied with the performance, they would procure more units.

Nice, it means we have secured the demand for 105mm to reach economy of scale. The 105mm TOT is worthed (potential for Tank Boat, Pindad-FNSS Medium Tank, and possibly Future Badak). Maybe, AMX-13 retrofit cost could be cut further since we don't have to import the gun.
That would be part of the reason why we pushed PINDAD to get TOT for 90 & 105 turret.

IMHO: Better to replace it all with the Medium Tank, our cavalery deserves better equipments. AMX should rest and live to tell it's tales. In other case, our QR force can utilize these lightweight tanks to

Replacing hundreds of AMX-13 will takes time. Just take a look at Anoa2, how long that it take to reach 300 units? More than 8 years.
 
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Launching of the Indonesian Navy second DSME-209 submarine.

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Indonesia guarding its front door leading to the South China Sea

The Natunas, a sprawling archipelago of islands about 400 miles northeast of Sumatra in the South China Sea, have been administrated for years as a part of the Riau Islands Province of Indonesia. These islands became the subject of dispute in 1993 when Beijing published a map claiming rights to a gas field north of the islands but within Indonesia’s Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), which Indonesia in turn rejected.

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China renounced its claims on the Natuna Islands in 1995, but not its claim on the gas field, meaning there are no land features within this island chain that can be used as a basis to legally claim the surrounding waters according to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. China’s maps of the region containing the nine-dash line include the waters to the north of the Natunas, which Indonesia insists overlaps with part of its EEZ. Indonesia does not officially acknowledge this dispute with China, although since 2010 it has rejected the legitimacy of the nine-dash line and sought clarification of it through the United Nations. Recently President Joko Widodo has even come out against the legality of the nine-dash line, claiming that it has no basis under international law. This has all occurred against a backdrop of Chinese naval vessels sailing through Indonesian waters around the Natuna Islands.

Unlike some of its South-East Asian neighbours, Indonesia has long maintained that it has no maritime disputes with China in the sea and has no overlapping claims to reefs or islets there. But Beijing’s claims overlap Indonesia’s exclusive economic zone — waters where a state has the right to exploit resources — around the Natunas, in the past four months, three confrontations have occurred between China and Indonesia over the presence of Chinese fishing vessels in waters near Indonesia’s Natuna Islands. By compelling Jakarta to adopt a more active approach to defending its waters from Chinese encroachment, these incidents may transform the dynamics of the South China Sea disputes.

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Equally importantly, however, statements by China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) regarding these incidents provide clues about the content of China’s maritime claims in the South China Sea. Specifically, China appears to be moving toward justifying some of its claims in terms of historic rights, not based on any land feature as required by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). The Widodo Administration has been very tough on foreign boats and foreign fishing trawlers illegally fishing on Indonesian waters. It has stopped and sunk boats coming from Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand, and China. However one must recognize that Indonesia can afford to throw its weight around with the first three mentioned countries, however it cannot with China.

China is one of Indonesia’s largest trading partners. Indonesia exports vast amounts of raw materials to China and in return gets a lot of manufactured goods from it as well. Exports to China in 2014 were worth $18 Billion Dollars and both countries stand to lose without trade. However China can likely absorb the blow by seeking other trade partners as it already imports a lot of raw materials from Africa. However Indonesia cannot afford to do this. Its other large trading partner with comparable volume in terms of trade is Japan and Singapore, which altogether make up roughly $36 Billion Dollars in an economy that has a GDP of $800 Billion. Chinese fishing vessels will continue to cross into Indonesia’s exclusive economic zone near the Natuna Islands. Indonesia will maintain its aggressive stance to cement its hold on the area — part of its broader imperative to control the sprawling archipelago.

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Jakarta will build military, fishing and energy facilities on the islands, pursuing a strategy similar to that of other claimants in the South China Sea. At least three times this year, Indonesian authorities have confronted Chinese fishing vessels in the waters near the remote Natuna Islands, an area whose 200-nautical-mile EEZ overlaps China’s expansive nine-dash line. Each time, Jakarta has made a point of widely publicizing the incursions despite Beijing’s objections.

In the wake of the run-ins, Indonesian President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo visited the islands and promised to boost defence, fishing and natural gas production in the area. Despite its provocative fishing activities in the South China Sea, China is not the sole target of Indonesia’s defensive measures; Jakarta has also made a public show of destroying dozens of Malaysian and Vietnamese vessels found fishing in the area. For Indonesia, protecting the Natuna Islands — however small and remote they may be — is key to exerting control of its territory and affirming its position in Asia’s waterways. However one must emphasize Indonesia’s leadership role in ASEAN. It is the largest economy in ASEAN along with the largest military (though it’s not very powerful when compared to China) and is a rapidly developing nation with a young population and an economy that, despite recent slow downs, is expected to become the world’s fourth largest economy by 2050, with a GDP equivalent to that of the United States of today.

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Indonesia’s diplomacy has been quite successful so far in carving for itself a niche status of go-between and a role model for parties to the disputes in the South China Sea (SCS). However, as the pressure on the new government in Jakarta increases to overtly declare its status against the Chinese in the SCS – it also risks falling into the ‘extended coercive diplomacy’ strategy of the Chinese which focuses on the coercion of an adversary aligned with a great power, i.e. US allies such as the Philippines and Japan. Yet, after two major US strategic blunders over Syria and the Crimea, Washington can not afford to up the ante in the SCS and not follow through this, leaving the allies to the mercy of the Chinese.

Hence, it’s a Hobson’s choice for the Indonesians — while its military assets are being significantly bolstered at the Ranai airbase on the Natuna Islands with additional ships, Sukhoi fighters and even American Apache helicopters, its diplomatic overdrive of sending Tentara Nasional Indonesia (TNI) chief General Moeldoko travelled to China to meet with his counterpart has yielded mixed results and few details about his meetings were announced openly. It seems that it is inevitable that Indonesia will have to come up front and declare that they have serious issues with the China’s position in the SCS.

http://www.newdelhitimes.com/indonesia-guarding-its-front-door-leading-to-the-south-china-sea123/
 
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Indonesia will never compromise on Natunas, says Jokowi
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This handout photograph on Oct 6, 2016, shows Indonesian President Joko Widodo (centre) walking next to Indonesian Military Chief General Gatot Nurmantyo (left) and Air Force Chief of Staff Air Marshal Agus Supriatna (right) during a military drill on the remote Natuna islands. Photo: Presidential Palace via AFP

SINGAPORE — Indonesia will never compromise on its sovereignty in the Natuna Islands, said President Joko Widodo, while calling for dialogue among stakeholders to resolve the South China Sea dispute.

In an interview with the BBC aired this morning, the Indonesian leader popularly known as Jokowi, also defended his government’s massive military exercises in the Natunas at the South China Sea, saying it is Indonesia’s right to carry out the operations.

“The first thing is that, before, there were 7,000 illegal fishing vessels that were stealing our fish and I said stop that. There have been 239 illegal shipping vessels that we have sunk. This is our natural resources; this is Indonesian wealth ... so from now on illegal fishing vessels cannot play around with us,” he said.

“The second thing is Natuna is our territory. Natuna is in Indonesia. So if we want to do a military operations, war games then it’s our right. (There is nothing unusual there.) In terms of sovereignty, I will never compromise.”

Indonesia has conducted military drills around the remote Natuna Islands as it asserted its sovereignty where there have been clashes with Chinese vessels in waters claimed by China. The latest drill took place early this month by the country’s airforce, with Mr Widodo in attendance. In June, he also toured the islands on a warship to send a strong message to China to respect Indonesian sovereignty.

Chinese fishing and coast guard vessels have been embroiled in repeated confrontations with Indonesian patrol boats and navy ships in waters around the Natunas this year, sharply raising tensions between Jakarta and Beijing.

At the same time, Indonesia has embarked on a crackdown on illegal fishing — with the public spectacle of seized boats blown to smithereens.

Indonesia is also bolstering its defences around the Natunas — a remote scattering of islands, home to rich fishing grounds — and plans to deploy extra warships, fighter jets and surface-to-air missiles.

Unlike some of its South-east Asian neighbours, Jakarta has long maintained it has no maritime disputes with Beijing in the resource-rich South China Sea and does not contest ownership of reefs or islets there, a fact that Mr Widodo reiterated in his BBC interview this morning.

“Indonesia is not a claimant state but stability and security is needed in this area so that we can improve the economy in that area for the good of our people,” he said. “So in the South China Sea we will solve this problem through dialogue, we will solve this in the eastern way. Asean (Association of South-east Asian Nations) has 49 years of experience of this.”

China, while not disputing Indonesia’s claims to the Natuna islands, has raised Indonesian anger by saying the two countries had “overlapping claims” to waters near them, an area Indonesia calls the Natuna Seam and this has caused worries over potential for dispute.

Despite that, Mr Widodo told the BBC that Indonesia-China relations are “very good”, noting that Chinese investments in the archipelago has increased, as well as tourism from China. Any hiccups were only confined to illegal fishing, said Mr Widodo.

“This is just an illegal fishing problem and we will solve that. It’s not a problem,” he added.

He also commented on the country’s contentious tax amnesty scheme during the wide-ranging interview, saying that it is the start of reforming his country’s tax system.

“We want to improve the tax system. And we want to build trust and faith among people in our tax system so that industry and businesses that pay tax believe that their money will go to the good of the country and be used to build things,” he said.

Responding to a question on public protests on the tax amnesty, Mr Widodo downplayed the incidents, saying that such protests are normal and a reflection of democracy but stressed that in the end, the programme has the support of the people.

The amnesty programme, under which Indonesians are encouraged to repatriate previously undeclared overseas assets to avoid increasing penalties, was launched in July and is a top priority for Mr Widodo.

He is banking on the amnesty to help finance billions of dollars in infrastructure projects as South-east Asia’s biggest economy struggles in the face of weak commodity prices and sluggish consumer demand.

As of early this month, the amnesty has generated 95.3 trillion rupiah (S$10.14 billion) in government revenue, or 57 per cent of Jakarta’s 165 trillion rupiah target.


www.m.todayonline.com/world/asia/indonesia-will-never-compromise-natunas-says-jokowi
 
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Indo Defence 2016: Double happiness for SIGMA
24th October 2016 - 12:00 by Chen Chuanren in Singapore
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September was a milestone for the Indonesian Navy’s (TNI-AL) frigate programme, with the first SIGMA 10514-class frigate completing sea trials on 7 September.

The sea trials included testing propulsion combat and sonar system, firing the main gun and noise assessments within the ship. The second ship was launched on 29 September.

The first frigate will be commissioned as KRI Raden Eddy Martadinata (331), and delivery is slated for January next year once the three-month crew training is complete.

Four of six modules of the first ship were built locally by PT PAL’s Surabaya shipyard, with the rest constructed at Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding in the Netherlands. All modules were assembled by PT PAL.

The second vessel, KRI IG Ngurah Rai (332), is expected to be delivered in October 2017.

At 2,400t the SIGMA 10514 is the largest and most sophisticated warship built to date by any Indonesian shipyard.

The type is armed with an OTO Melera 76mm main gun, Rheinmetall Defence Millennium 35mm close-in weapon system, 12-cell VL MICA point defence missile system, two slots for MBDA Exocet MM40 anti-ship missiles and two triple-tube Eurotorp B515 torpedo launchers.


Indonesia hopes this project will be a stepping stone for future large-warship programmes, moving beyond the small vessels and support ships it can already build.


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