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Why this Malaysian/Singaporean reporter is so negative reporting Elang Hitam MALE UCAV drone program ?
Basically, Indonesia Research Agency (BRIN) has more ambitious plan with the drone by developing it for civilian version first with many critical components made inside the country, then it can be later transformed into military capable UCAV. Any way, the design is already completed right ? The design has already been made as UCAV platform, so it will not be much difficult inshaAllah if later they want to make military version of the platform right?
I believe the plan is to fly the drone first, put it civilian tools on it like tools for mapping, footage and others. They also want to develop the critical components, so not just making the program as designing, making the airframe and doing system integration project while many components will be imported.
From what I know, they rather want to make it more serious program and aspire for Indonesian to be able to make critical component of the drone. Then if the drone already gets certified, it will be easier to transform it into military one, particularly if the program to make a precision missile is completed.
Despite so, they need to make sure that government has the budget for that. One of the reasons they want to do that way is that instead of buying expensive imported critical component, why not using the money for research and then make the component a lot cheaper if successful.
Any way, with our SOE companies make collaboration with both LG Chem and CATL on making EV battery, I just think that we can replace Rotax machine from Canada with Battery powered engine made by our own local companies. Why not Indonesia Battery Corporation later set up battery powered engine for cruise missile and propeller drone ? Maybe that idea has already been inside BRIN thinking
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We actually can serve both of our needs. Developing critical components inside the country can surely take longer time while our military needs more UCAV drone sooner (2025-2030). I think we can basically follow China footsteps on this to solve this problem, like the way they first develop J 10 fighters with lot of foreign components first, including Russian engine, then after their local engine and electronics components gets mature, they change the components for newer airframes
This step IMO is more efficient to do. While keeping our long aspiration to localize all critical components of the drone going on, we can still provide our Armed force with local drones that can both grow our Aerospace Industry (Indonesian Aerospace/ airframer) faster and also save lot of Dollar as well.
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by Ridzwan Rahmat
The Elang Hitam UAV seen here just before its first flight attempt. The programme has since been diverted for civil applications. (Source withheld)
Indonesia will no longer be developing its Elang Hitam (Black Eagle) medium-altitude long-endurance (MALE) unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) programme as a military platform.
Chairman of the country's National Research and Innovation Agency (BRIN) Laksana Tri Handoko confirmed with Janes on 15 September that resources from the project, which would have armed the country's air force with indigenously developed strike-capable UAVs, are being diverted towards civil initiatives instead.
His confirmation corroborates information that has been provided to Janes by industry sources since mid-2022, indicating that the Elang Hitam is at risk of being continued as a military project.
This effectively suspends the country's national ambition of developing a home-grown MALE UAV with military applications, which has been listed as one of the ‘strategic projects' of President Joko Widodo, as outlined under the third Presidential Decree of 2016.
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Basically, Indonesia Research Agency (BRIN) has more ambitious plan with the drone by developing it for civilian version first with many critical components made inside the country, then it can be later transformed into military capable UCAV. Any way, the design is already completed right ? The design has already been made as UCAV platform, so it will not be much difficult inshaAllah if later they want to make military version of the platform right?
I believe the plan is to fly the drone first, put it civilian tools on it like tools for mapping, footage and others. They also want to develop the critical components, so not just making the program as designing, making the airframe and doing system integration project while many components will be imported.
From what I know, they rather want to make it more serious program and aspire for Indonesian to be able to make critical component of the drone. Then if the drone already gets certified, it will be easier to transform it into military one, particularly if the program to make a precision missile is completed.
Despite so, they need to make sure that government has the budget for that. One of the reasons they want to do that way is that instead of buying expensive imported critical component, why not using the money for research and then make the component a lot cheaper if successful.
Any way, with our SOE companies make collaboration with both LG Chem and CATL on making EV battery, I just think that we can replace Rotax machine from Canada with Battery powered engine made by our own local companies. Why not Indonesia Battery Corporation later set up battery powered engine for cruise missile and propeller drone ? Maybe that idea has already been inside BRIN thinking
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My solution
We actually can serve both of our needs. Developing critical components inside the country can surely take longer time while our military needs more UCAV drone sooner (2025-2030). I think we can basically follow China footsteps on this to solve this problem, like the way they first develop J 10 fighters with lot of foreign components first, including Russian engine, then after their local engine and electronics components gets mature, they change the components for newer airframes
This step IMO is more efficient to do. While keeping our long aspiration to localize all critical components of the drone going on, we can still provide our Armed force with local drones that can both grow our Aerospace Industry (Indonesian Aerospace/ airframer) faster and also save lot of Dollar as well.
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Indonesia pulls plug on strike-capable military UAV programme
15 SEPTEMBER 2022by Ridzwan Rahmat
The Elang Hitam UAV seen here just before its first flight attempt. The programme has since been diverted for civil applications. (Source withheld)
Indonesia will no longer be developing its Elang Hitam (Black Eagle) medium-altitude long-endurance (MALE) unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) programme as a military platform.
Chairman of the country's National Research and Innovation Agency (BRIN) Laksana Tri Handoko confirmed with Janes on 15 September that resources from the project, which would have armed the country's air force with indigenously developed strike-capable UAVs, are being diverted towards civil initiatives instead.
His confirmation corroborates information that has been provided to Janes by industry sources since mid-2022, indicating that the Elang Hitam is at risk of being continued as a military project.
This effectively suspends the country's national ambition of developing a home-grown MALE UAV with military applications, which has been listed as one of the ‘strategic projects' of President Joko Widodo, as outlined under the third Presidential Decree of 2016.
Indonesia pulls plug on strike-capable military UAV programme
Indonesia will no longer be developing its Elang Hitam (Black Eagle) medium-altitude long-endurance (MALE) unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) programme as a military...
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Masa Depan Projek UCAV "Elang Hitam" Indonesia Malap
Usaha Indonesia untuk menjadikan dron buatan tempatannya, “Elang Hitam” sebuah (unmanned combat aerial vehicle - UCAV) setanding dengan UCAV lain seperti “Bayraktar TB2”, “Anka” atau “Predator” nampaknya sedang berhadapan dengan cabaran getir.
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Our journalist seems not paying any attention on the detail during Jokowi and Lee Sien Loong meeting when Jokowi is finally able to make Singapore let go their air traffic control over Natuna islands of Indonesia. International organization, ICAO, has given the right to Singapore in 1945 before Indonesia gets their independence from Dutch with war and diplomacy (Dutch is also helped by Britain and British Raj (India)). Indonesia still allow Singapore to control air space that is related to their Changi airport operation, so compromise has also been made.
See the Jokowi Batik motif shows two Keris, this shows Indonesia is ready to have war in order to claim our rights. This kind of Batik never seen before in any of our leaders meeting with other country leaders. The first time in my life either seeing Batik with this Keris motif.
I also see this as Jokowi does understand about the role of military power in our diplomacy, but he also understands that the back bone of any great military power relies on both the economy and defense industry of the country. So with that logic, it is wrong to spend too much on imported defense products, it is why Jokowi is also wellknown with his Defense Investment policy as it means the defense spending should enhance our local defense industry and thus any militay spending should be seen as defense investment rather than just spending.
This handout photo released by the Presidential Palace shows Indonesia's President Joko 'Jokowi' Widodo (right) posing with Singapore’s Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong (left) prior to their leader’s meeting in Bintan island, across the Singapore Strait dividing the two countries, on Jan. 25, 2022. (AFP/Laily Rachev)
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That is a simbolic gesture
Keris, Javanese traditional weapon
See the Jokowi Batik motif shows two Keris, this shows Indonesia is ready to have war in order to claim our rights. This kind of Batik never seen before in any of our leaders meeting with other country leaders. The first time in my life either seeing Batik with this Keris motif.
I also see this as Jokowi does understand about the role of military power in our diplomacy, but he also understands that the back bone of any great military power relies on both the economy and defense industry of the country. So with that logic, it is wrong to spend too much on imported defense products, it is why Jokowi is also wellknown with his Defense Investment policy as it means the defense spending should enhance our local defense industry and thus any militay spending should be seen as defense investment rather than just spending.
This handout photo released by the Presidential Palace shows Indonesia's President Joko 'Jokowi' Widodo (right) posing with Singapore’s Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong (left) prior to their leader’s meeting in Bintan island, across the Singapore Strait dividing the two countries, on Jan. 25, 2022. (AFP/Laily Rachev)
Our neighbor Singapore
The treaty on extradition, for instance, is not a silver bullet that will immediately lead to the repatriation of Indonesian fugitives who are hiding in the island state.
That is a simbolic gesture
Keris, Javanese traditional weapon
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Swallow analyst made by the writer, unlikely to happen. Even if PDI-P denies Ganjar Pranowo as their President candidate, there are strong parties like Nasdem that will put him as President candidate. Backing a strong President candidates that are proven to be popular in surveys also give political parties huge boost to win parliament election which means more seats for them in parliament.
It is already in their own interest to do that. PDI-P, Gerindra and PKB, and Golkar may prefer Puan Maharani, Prabowo, and Airlangga Hartanto as their President candidates, but we still have PPP, PAN, NASDEM, PKS, and Democrat parties.
Not surprising this news appear in Singaporean media as they dont understand Indonesian domestic politics well and has editors which are eager to post any news showing negativity in Indonesia, their intention posting this news is to show to the world that Indonesian democracy is still largely controlled by party elites. The writer is Indonesian, but as reporter they do understand which news that is preferred by the editors to be posted.
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Indonesia's major political parties mull over sidelining most popular candidates in next presidential polls
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Central Java governor Ganjar Pranowo (left) and Jakarta governor Anies Baswedan have been ranked tier one candidates by pollsters based on their individual electability. PHOTOS: CENTRAL JAVA GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, ANIES BASWEDAN/FACEBOOK
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JAKARTA - Two popular presidential hopefuls may be out of the running even before the race has begun, as political parties in the ruling coalition may be trying to deny them a party ticket.
The top leaders of some major political parties have reportedly engaged in closed-door talks about denying Central Java Governor Ganjar Pranowo and Jakarta Governor Anies Baswedan of a nomination for the 2024 presidential election.
Indonesia's major political parties mull over sidelining most popular candidates in next presidential polls
The leaders of some major parties were reportedly in talks about denying Ganjar Pranowo and Anies Baswedan of a nomination. Read more at straitstimes.com.www.straitstimes.com
See Anies Baswedan is likely picked by some political parties, we will see whose parties will pick Ganjar. Jokowi will likely endorse Ganjar Pranowo, Central Java Governor.
BREAKING!
Rafale first contract of 6 aircrafts (out of 42 ordered) has just been activated, Down payment is made by Indonesia to Dassault aviation.
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Rafale first contract of 6 aircrafts (out of 42 ordered) has just been activated, Down payment is made by Indonesia to Dassault aviation.
Rafale : une partie de la commande signée en Indonésie est entrée en vigueur
Six Rafale sur les 42 commandés ont été mis en vigueur. L'Indonésie est officiellement devenue le 7e client du Rafale de Dassault Aviation.
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The contract for the six Rafale was probably financed by the Indonesian Ministry of Defense from a budget planned for the purchase of Sukhoi 35 (nearly $600 million). A contract with the Russians that the Americans strongly advised against signing the Indonesians, who could have been sanctioned under the CAATSA (Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act), which punishes countries buying arms from Russia. This cash allowed Prabowo Subianto to acquire its first six Rafale.
Indonesia has aging equipment, mainly American F-16s and Russian Sukhoi Su-27s and Su-30s, and is in negotiations with multiple partners to renew its fighter jets. Jakarta is also negotiating the purchase of about thirty American F-15 fighter jets, according to media reports, and is participating in a research and development project with South Korea for the KF-21 fighter jet.
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Indonesia has aging equipment, mainly American F-16s and Russian Sukhoi Su-27s and Su-30s, and is in negotiations with multiple partners to renew its fighter jets. Jakarta is also negotiating the purchase of about thirty American F-15 fighter jets, according to media reports, and is participating in a research and development project with South Korea for the KF-21 fighter jet.
Nouveau succès pour Dassault Aviation : l'Indonésie va acheter jusqu'à 42 Rafale
Nouveau succès pour le Rafale. L'Indonésie a signé un contrat pour 6 Rafale dans une commande totale prévue de 42 avions de combat, a annoncé jeudi le ministre de la Défense indonésien Prabowo Subianto.
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Singaporean elite is nervous with Indonesia raising since basically it is only Indonesian than they are afraid of. The elimination of big part of fuel subsidy in government budget will likely make Indonesian economy gets much stronger as it also has been confirmed with financial market that is positive on the new fuel price anouncement.
Economy is always about relocating the resources efficiently and effectively. Too much subsidy inside government budget will drag the economy and empty government budget that can be better allocated to something more productive like infrastructure, research and development, and education investment as examples. Sri Lanka is one of the example of country where their economy was before praised by South Asian people and now go bankrupt due to their previous leader economic policy in giving excessive subsidy in order to win election.
The stronger Indonesia means their threat is getting bigger. Although many understand that democratic Indonesia is very unlikely to invade Singapore, but the Indonesian rise will make Singapore geopolitical influence gets smaller and smaller, something that they dont like to see.
This Singaporean think tank has tied to Singaporean government or at least it is the most respected think tank in Singapore where what they concern in their head is echoed by Singaporean government elite.
Now, they attempt to give more fuel to Indonesian demonstrator which is basically small. Every thing is just fine here in Jakarta, I dont know what they mean demonstrator do demonstration every day in Jakarta and other places in Indonesia ?
(Updated: 22 Sep 2022 06:07AM)
The Indonesian government argues that there is a strong case for lifting fuel subsidies – but it will be a tall order amid rising inflation, says a researcher.
Max Lane is Visiting Senior Fellow at the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute. This commentary first appeared on the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute’s blog, Fulcrum.
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Here another example of their writing in the beginning of 2022, trying to make some kind of negative and mislead intellectual influence to Indonesia financial market investors perception where foreign investors have quite significant portion on it.
The writer is Phd Holder from Singaporean or Western universities and focused on Indonesian matter at that respected think tank.
So far, AlhamduliLLAH, both Jakarta stock exchange and Rupiah perform the best among others in Asia and it makes our central bank only raise interest rate once this year, a week before high fuel announcement as pre-emptive measure by Central Bank. Ones of the negative effect on raising interest rate is to slow the economic growth and increase nonperforming loan ratio (NPL) within our banking system, if we dont need to raise interest rate, so dont raise interest rate.
Author: Siwage Dharma Negara, ISEAS Yusof Ishak Institute
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Economy is always about relocating the resources efficiently and effectively. Too much subsidy inside government budget will drag the economy and empty government budget that can be better allocated to something more productive like infrastructure, research and development, and education investment as examples. Sri Lanka is one of the example of country where their economy was before praised by South Asian people and now go bankrupt due to their previous leader economic policy in giving excessive subsidy in order to win election.
The stronger Indonesia means their threat is getting bigger. Although many understand that democratic Indonesia is very unlikely to invade Singapore, but the Indonesian rise will make Singapore geopolitical influence gets smaller and smaller, something that they dont like to see.
This Singaporean think tank has tied to Singaporean government or at least it is the most respected think tank in Singapore where what they concern in their head is echoed by Singaporean government elite.
Now, they attempt to give more fuel to Indonesian demonstrator which is basically small. Every thing is just fine here in Jakarta, I dont know what they mean demonstrator do demonstration every day in Jakarta and other places in Indonesia ?
Commentary: Indonesia will struggle to stay the course on hiking fuel prices
Max Lane
22 Sep 2022 06:07AM(Updated: 22 Sep 2022 06:07AM)
The Indonesian government argues that there is a strong case for lifting fuel subsidies – but it will be a tall order amid rising inflation, says a researcher.
Max Lane is Visiting Senior Fellow at the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute. This commentary first appeared on the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute’s blog, Fulcrum.
Commentary: Indonesia will struggle to stay the course on hiking fuel prices
The Indonesian government argues that there is a strong case for lifting fuel subsidies – but it will be a tall order amid rising inflation, says a researcher.
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Here another example of their writing in the beginning of 2022, trying to make some kind of negative and mislead intellectual influence to Indonesia financial market investors perception where foreign investors have quite significant portion on it.
The writer is Phd Holder from Singaporean or Western universities and focused on Indonesian matter at that respected think tank.
So far, AlhamduliLLAH, both Jakarta stock exchange and Rupiah perform the best among others in Asia and it makes our central bank only raise interest rate once this year, a week before high fuel announcement as pre-emptive measure by Central Bank. Ones of the negative effect on raising interest rate is to slow the economic growth and increase nonperforming loan ratio (NPL) within our banking system, if we dont need to raise interest rate, so dont raise interest rate.
Uncertainty continues to plague Indonesia’s economy
11 January 2022Author: Siwage Dharma Negara, ISEAS Yusof Ishak Institute
Uncertainty continues to plague Indonesia’s economy
While the Indonesian economy seems to have passed the worst of the COVID-19 pandemic, its future trajectory remains unclear.
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I put economic article here to show the context and what is the latest situation of our economic performance in September 2022. Economic performance has always had strong ties with both domestic defense industry and their domestic supporting industries in steel, electronics, etc and also the defense budget sustainability and growth. This is also the reason I put the news in this Indonesia defense thread.
Credible military powers like USA, China, Russia, Germany, France, South Korea have big economy and has big local content on their local defense industry where both of this factors make their defense budget big and sustainable. This where we should target our country to do the same thing.
Dont just think our Presiden, Jokowi, and Finance Minister, Sri Mulyani, are the hindrance of our defense spending growth as making the economy healthy is also supporting our future defense budget increase. When it comes to defense spending, we should also not merely rely on foreign defense import as not only this can hurt our economy and local defense industry, in fact we also have suffered from arm embargoes coming from both USSR and Western nations (USA and European Union) in the past.
Mercedes Ruehl and Joe Leahy in Jakarta
SEPTEMBER 20 2022
In 2013 the US investment bank Morgan Stanley dubbed Indonesia as one of the “fragile five”, a group of emerging economies that it believed were especially vulnerable to a jump in interest rates in the US. Almost a decade later, US interest rates are rising sharply, which is adding to the economic problems in the developing world. But Indonesia appears unruffled.
At a time when the global economy is being battered by the war in Ukraine and the global energy, food and climate crises, Indonesia has emerged as an unlikely outlier, boasting both a booming economy and period of political stability.
Gross domestic product expanded 5.4 per cent year on year in the second quarter, well above forecasts. The country’s inflation rate of 4.7 per cent in August, prior to a recent petrol subsidy cut, is one of the lowest globally. Its currency, the rupiah, is among the best performing in Asia this year and its stock market is hitting record highs.
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Credible military powers like USA, China, Russia, Germany, France, South Korea have big economy and has big local content on their local defense industry where both of this factors make their defense budget big and sustainable. This where we should target our country to do the same thing.
Dont just think our Presiden, Jokowi, and Finance Minister, Sri Mulyani, are the hindrance of our defense spending growth as making the economy healthy is also supporting our future defense budget increase. When it comes to defense spending, we should also not merely rely on foreign defense import as not only this can hurt our economy and local defense industry, in fact we also have suffered from arm embargoes coming from both USSR and Western nations (USA and European Union) in the past.
Indonesia’s unexpected success story
Mercedes Ruehl and Joe Leahy in Jakarta
SEPTEMBER 20 2022
In 2013 the US investment bank Morgan Stanley dubbed Indonesia as one of the “fragile five”, a group of emerging economies that it believed were especially vulnerable to a jump in interest rates in the US. Almost a decade later, US interest rates are rising sharply, which is adding to the economic problems in the developing world. But Indonesia appears unruffled.
At a time when the global economy is being battered by the war in Ukraine and the global energy, food and climate crises, Indonesia has emerged as an unlikely outlier, boasting both a booming economy and period of political stability.
Gross domestic product expanded 5.4 per cent year on year in the second quarter, well above forecasts. The country’s inflation rate of 4.7 per cent in August, prior to a recent petrol subsidy cut, is one of the lowest globally. Its currency, the rupiah, is among the best performing in Asia this year and its stock market is hitting record highs.
Indonesia’s unexpected success story
The economy is prospering despite the sense of crisis elsewhere but the country’s politics could become more unstable
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