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[Chestnut]

@Nike @Ravager @Kansel

Who would win guys?

The most advanced MRAD/LRAD asset you have in your inventory?

Or

A flying lawnmower that explodes?

Again, the TNI should learn from the current Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Not everyday in the 21st century can you see 2 peer adversaries go to war with each other.

 

[Nike]

@Nike @Ravager @Kansel

Who would win guys?

The most advanced MRAD/LRAD asset you have in your inventory?

Or

One flying lawnmower that explodes?

View attachment 678353

Again, the TNI should learn from the current Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Not everyday in the 21st century can you see 2 peer adversaries go to war with each other.

The landmower is quite game changer and indeed can decrease the risk any SEAD mission for fighter units must face when trying to neutralize enemy AD units.

 

[nametag]

CIS 50 MG test by bakamla

https://twitter.com/x/status/1314900891317628929

Does anyone know about the performance/quality and user opinion of Pindad Madsen Saetter MG? I don't think not many used this gun, even the Danes don't used them cmiiw.

 

[Ravager]

@Nike @Ravager @Kansel

Who would win guys?

The most advanced MRAD/LRAD asset you have in your inventory?

Or

One flying lawnmower that explodes?

View attachment 678353

Again, the TNI should learn from the current Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Not everyday in the 21st century can you see 2 peer adversaries go to war with each other.

In this age of internet when frontline casualties can no longer be covered by TV propagandas .... Lawnmower definitely take the cake ...
There is so much to be learned there ....

Does anyone know about the performance/quality and user opinion of Pindad Madsen Saetter MG? I don't think not many used this gun, even the Danes don't used them cmiiw.

My late seroja's uncle only had 1 comment on that ....


SUCKs !!!

 

[Chestnut]

The landmower is quite game changer and indeed can decrease the risk any SEAD mission for fighter units must face when trying to neutralize enemy AD units.

Theoretically the S-300s can engage something as small and slow-moving as a Harpy loitering drone. It was just a matter of whether the cost-to-benefit of using one against something like that would be worth the launch. (Which at this point, it's an obvious yes since Armenia just lost a TEL)

This goes back to my point about how we shouldn't be buying things like the S-500 or Patriot just because of capability alone, but rather on how well can it integrate to existing systems and radars as well. Had Armenia deployed and networked their Artsakh based S-300's with their Tors, this could have probably been avoided. Buying a Patriot would work, but how much can we integrate with the existing Thales systems against say, the Aster 30 SAMP/T? And how does that compare with engagement capability and probability-of-kill?

IADS and CEC's are the future.

 

[Nike]

 

[Jatosint]

Compared to anoa and komodo, maung is the best options to be used in Papua, Its just like SUV but with protection against small arms, and doesn't consume much fuel compared to komodo.

Maung is not bulletproof

Apakah Maung Pindad Kebal Peluru?

PT Pindad akan aplikasi bodi anti-peluru ke Maung sesuai dengan pemesanan dan rencana varian di kedepannya.

otomotif.kompas.com

 

[NEKONEKO]

Maung is not bulletproof

Apakah Maung Pindad Kebal Peluru?

PT Pindad akan aplikasi bodi anti-peluru ke Maung sesuai dengan pemesanan dan rencana varian di kedepannya.

otomotif.kompas.com

Oh i see, they should make it bulletproof then.

Pindad Maung versi militer bakal dilengkapi dengan kaca dan bodi anti peluru, serta dilengkapi kebutuhan atau perlengkapan militer, yakni dudukan persenjataan kaliber 7,62 mm, konsol SS2-V4, perangkat GPS navigasi, dan tracker kendaraan serta perlengkapan lainnya.

Satu hal yang pasti, spesifikasi Maung untuk sipil tidak dilengkapi persenjataan maupun kaca dan bodi anti peluru. Selain itu, semuanya sama.

Meski begitu, bagi konsumen sipil yang menginginkan Maung dengan kelengkapan proteksi anti peluru, tentunya bisa dilakukan dengan penyesuaian harga.

Pindad Maung, ''Humvee'' Rasa Lokal Bermesin Kijang Innova

Selain untuk kebutuhan militer, pindad Maung bakal diproduksi untuk masyarakat sipil dengan banderol setara Toyota Fortuner.

www.goodnewsfromindonesia.id

 

[Nike]

Compared to anoa and komodo, maung is the best options to be used in Papua, Its just like SUV but with protection against small arms, and doesn't consume much fuel compared to komodo.

Komodo and Anoa fuel consumption is not much compared to utility trucks like recent model of Unimog, don't compared it to light truck or SUV model like Hilux.

 

[Ravager]

Oh i see, they should make it bulletproof then.

Pindad Maung versi militer bakal dilengkapi dengan kaca dan bodi anti peluru, serta dilengkapi kebutuhan atau perlengkapan militer, yakni dudukan persenjataan kaliber 7,62 mm, konsol SS2-V4, perangkat GPS navigasi, dan tracker kendaraan serta perlengkapan lainnya.

Satu hal yang pasti, spesifikasi Maung untuk sipil tidak dilengkapi persenjataan maupun kaca dan bodi anti peluru. Selain itu, semuanya sama.

Meski begitu, bagi konsumen sipil yang menginginkan Maung dengan kelengkapan proteksi anti peluru, tentunya bisa dilakukan dengan penyesuaian harga.

Pindad Maung, ''Humvee'' Rasa Lokal Bermesin Kijang Innova

Selain untuk kebutuhan militer, pindad Maung bakal diproduksi untuk masyarakat sipil dengan banderol setara Toyota Fortuner.

www.goodnewsfromindonesia.id

It's not worthed ..... We allready have komodo for the humvee class . Any lighter were just a cosmetic not protection .

 

[Nike]

It's not worthed ..... We allready have komodo for the humvee class . Any lighter were just a cosmetic not protection .

Komodo is more comparable to JLTV, well they are very our own version of Sherpa armored version, they are much heavier, taller and larger compared to Humvee, at least Twice if not thrice more heavier (depend on model, around 7,5 tonnes to 12 tonnes ). The vehicle in this class like Nexter Aravis, Acmat Bastion, ALTV /JLTV, Thales Hawkei, GAIA AMIR and the likes.

For Humvee class, we don't have anything in the class for light utility vehicles.
Process of evac TGPF in Papua, credit to Puspen TNI

 

[Raduga]

if we need even more badak powerhouse armored vehicle , the Tugasanda Turangga actually provide more horsepower and torque rather than the komodo .

400hp / 287kw / with torque over 1952nm at 1100rpm , that thing is comparable to the US Cougar MRAP .

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=760867021313010

the SAR version use mitsubishi triton as its platform , so it has less power than the military version used by paskhas which take Ford F550 as its platform .​

 

[¿Por qué?]

Theoretically the S-300s can engage something as small and slow-moving as a Harpy loitering drone. It was just a matter of whether the cost-to-benefit of using one against something like that would be worth the launch. (Which at this point, it's an obvious yes since Armenia just lost a TEL)

This goes back to my point about how we shouldn't be buying things like the S-500 or Patriot just because of capability alone, but rather on how well can it integrate to existing systems and radars as well. Had Armenia deployed and networked their Artsakh based S-300's with their Tors, this could have probably been avoided. Buying a Patriot would work, but how much can we integrate with the existing Thales systems against say, the Aster 30 SAMP/T? And how does that compare with engagement capability and probability-of-kill?

IADS and CEC's are the future.

We also have to remember one thing. This UAV/drone is also projected to carry electronic warfare jammers, instead of an explosive warhead.

Several days ago, the Italian Leonardo claimed to have successfully conducted a testing by placing their EW called BriteClouds, which contain electronic warfare jammers, inside the drones. The drones were able to launch a mock non-kinetic attack on radars acting as surrogates for an enemy integrated air defense network.

Placing the jammers inside drones offers the ability to help space them out for optimal coverage across a wide area.

The entire swarm provides immense additional flexibility by being able to rapidly shift its focus from one area to another to respond to new developments in the battlespace.

Above all else, they allow BriteCloud to employ its bag of tricks over longer periods of time and even execute multiple electronic attacks instead of just one.

This EW drones will act as the first layer of attack. Even IADS and CEC might not be enough. The hunter will become the hunted.

 

[Ravager]

if we need even more badak powerhouse armored vehicle , the Tugasanda Turangga actually provide more horsepower and torque rather than the komodo .

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400hp / 287kw / with torque over 1952nm at 1100rpm , that thing is comparable to the US Cougar MRAP .

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=760867021313010

the SAR version use mitsubhisi triton as its platform , so it has less power than the military version used by paskhas which take Ford F550 as its platform .​

Hmm .... I don't know if JLTV class one . But yes it was at the class of uparmored humve . While maung was more of ruggedized/militerized fortuner/innova series without skin at all . At least you change the engines making it armored was only change it turtlelized fortuner


I click the wrong quote ...it was meant for Nike

 

[NEKONEKO]

if we need even more badak powerhouse armored vehicle , the Tugasanda Turangga actually provide more horsepower and torque rather than the komodo .

View attachment 678623
View attachment 678624

400hp / 287kw / with torque over 1952nm at 1100rpm , that thing is comparable to the US Cougar MRAP .

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=760867021313010

the SAR version use mitsubishi triton as its platform , so it has less power than the military version used by paskhas which take Ford F550 as its platform .​

Is this thing bulletproof?
Wait why BNPB need armored vehicle?