Indonesia Defence Forum

[Kansel]

at first we plan to acquire 48 brandnew then reduce to 32 +EDA, last week I heard 24 +EDA/ex Norway now another rumour we reduce it again, the defence budget seems increase but the aquisition number falling, even if we use PLN the number still falling, why the number decreasing?

Pandemic, that's why

 

[Indos]

Innalillahi wa innailaihi rojiun. Rest in Peace warrior.

 

[Raduga]

Pilot Pesawat Tempur TNI AU yang Tergelincir di Madiun Meninggal
seems like this accident is more serious than I thought

some "hearsay" said it's a "beyond repair" accident .

 

[umigami]

Sometimes I thought, forget about procuring viper, forget about flanker, Poseidon, etc...
Look! Our T50 trainer jets don't even have radars!!

 

[umigami]

I know, latest rumour even suggested 1 squadron of brand new F-16 V & 1 squadron or more on F-16 EDA but that's just rumour. I still hope we pursue LOA on 24 brand new units instead

I hope it's 16 viper + 32 EDA, with these we will get 3 "skadron gemuk"

 

[Azull]

Pilot Pesawat Tempur TNI AU yang Tergelincir di Madiun Meninggal
seems like this accident was more serious than I thought

RIP to the fallen. My condolences to the family left behind.

 

[GraveDigger388]

Pilot Pesawat Tempur TNI AU yang Tergelincir di Madiun Meninggal
seems like this accident was more serious than I thought

Innalillahi wa innailaihi raji'un.

Previously it was stated he suffered seemingly minor injury. Could it be his internal organs, or spine?

 

[GraveDigger388]

SAAB To Make Its Gripen Jets Stealth With Advanced Jammer Pods & Decoy Missiles

The Swedish aerospace giant SAAB AB has announced a new electronic warfare package for its Gripen being offered to Finland for its HX fighter procurement. The country has been seeking to replace its current Boeing F/A-18 C/D aircraft. No More Rafales! India Eyes US Stealth F-35 Jets As...

eurasiantimes.com

Do we still consider Gripen?

 

[Raduga]

SAAB To Make Its Gripen Jets Stealth With Advanced Jammer Pods & Decoy Missiles

The Swedish aerospace giant SAAB AB has announced a new electronic warfare package for its Gripen being offered to Finland for its HX fighter procurement. The country has been seeking to replace its current Boeing F/A-18 C/D aircraft. No More Rafales! India Eyes US Stealth F-35 Jets As...

eurasiantimes.com

Do we still consider Gripen?

the article though does not mention any stealth other than the title , but i suspect something similar to Rafale Thales Spectra Active Cancellation technology to reduce RCS or the israeli F-16 With their Elisra Dorsal Spine SPS-3000 which are rumoured to have same thing performing like Spectra .

 

[wahyusurya2020]

Pilot Pesawat Tempur TNI AU yang Tergelincir di Madiun Meninggal
seems like this accident was more serious than I thought

Innalillahi wa innailaihi raji'un.Rip to the fallen

 

[GraveDigger388]

the article though does not mention any stealth other than the title , but i suspect something similar to Rafale Thales Spectra Active Cancellation technology to reduce RCS or the israeli F-16 With their Elisra Dorsal Spine SPS-3000 which are rumoured to have same thing performing like Spectra .

I have a big curiosity over the matter, the "active stealth", if it can be called so. How does it work? By messing with the incoming radar emission?

 

[Raduga]

I have a big curiosity over the matter, the "active stealth", if it can be called so. How does it work? By messing with the incoming radar emission?

i took this explanation from someone in F-16 forum

"Our colleagues at Air & Cosmos report that the French government is funding a demonstration of improved stealth technology for the Dassault Rafale fighter, with a focus on active cancellation techniques. The story itself is not online but is being discussed at the Key Military Forum.

Dassault

Active cancellation means preventing a radar from detecting a target by firing back a deception signal with the same frequency as the reflection, but precisely one-half wavelength out of phase with it. Result: the returned energy reaching the radar has no frequency and can't be detected.

It's quite as difficult as it sounds. Some reports have suggested that the so called SP-3 or ZSR-62 "radar jamming device" planned in the early days of the B-2 program was an active cancellation system. It did not work and was scrapped in 1987-88. In 2005, Northrop Grumman paid $62 million to settle a False Claims Act case involving the system.

This may not be the first French attempt to implement AC on the Rafale. At the Paris air show in 1997, I interviewed a senior engineer at what was then Dassault Electronique, about the Rafale's Spectra jamming system. He remarked that Spectra used "stealthy jamming modes that not only have a saturating effect, but make the aircraft invisible... There are some very specific techniques to obtain the signature of a real LO aircraft."

"You mean active cancellation?" I asked. The engineer suddenly looked like someone who deeply regretted what he had just said, and declined any further comment. (As Hobbes once put it after pouncing on an unsuspecting Calvin: "We tigers live for moments like that."*)

The fact that a new demonstrator is being contemplated suggests that the technology may not have been up to the job the first time round - but since AC depends on electronics and processing, that picture may have changed. MBDA and Thales, which absorbed Dassault Electronique and is now the prime contractor on Spectra, have since confirmed that they are working on active cancellation for missiles.

The whole Spectra program has been a major venture, including the construction of four new indoor test ranges, including the colossal Solange RCS range discussed in Ares in 2007. That facility will probably play a major role in the new demonstrator program. "

 

[Indos]

Weapon acquisition that come from or related to our national defense industry always get support from wider public. It is not just a matter of defense enthusiast like us. This CNBC youtube video has already got 60.000 viewer despite it was just posted Yesterday. We can see huge supportive comments there from netizen as well.

 

[GraveDigger388]

i took this explanation from someone in F-16 forum

"Our colleagues at Air & Cosmos report that the French government is funding a demonstration of improved stealth technology for the Dassault Rafale fighter, with a focus on active cancellation techniques. The story itself is not online but is being discussed at the Key Military Forum.

Dassault

Active cancellation means preventing a radar from detecting a target by firing back a deception signal with the same frequency as the reflection, but precisely one-half wavelength out of phase with it. Result: the returned energy reaching the radar has no frequency and can't be detected.

It's quite as difficult as it sounds. Some reports have suggested that the so called SP-3 or ZSR-62 "radar jamming device" planned in the early days of the B-2 program was an active cancellation system. It did not work and was scrapped in 1987-88. In 2005, Northrop Grumman paid $62 million to settle a False Claims Act case involving the system.

This may not be the first French attempt to implement AC on the Rafale. At the Paris air show in 1997, I interviewed a senior engineer at what was then Dassault Electronique, about the Rafale's Spectra jamming system. He remarked that Spectra used "stealthy jamming modes that not only have a saturating effect, but make the aircraft invisible... There are some very specific techniques to obtain the signature of a real LO aircraft."

"You mean active cancellation?" I asked. The engineer suddenly looked like someone who deeply regretted what he had just said, and declined any further comment. (As Hobbes once put it after pouncing on an unsuspecting Calvin: "We tigers live for moments like that."*)

The fact that a new demonstrator is being contemplated suggests that the technology may not have been up to the job the first time round - but since AC depends on electronics and processing, that picture may have changed. MBDA and Thales, which absorbed Dassault Electronique and is now the prime contractor on Spectra, have since confirmed that they are working on active cancellation for missiles.

The whole Spectra program has been a major venture, including the construction of four new indoor test ranges, including the colossal Solange RCS range discussed in Ares in 2007. That facility will probably play a major role in the new demonstrator program. "

That's what I've always fluffing imagined!! Sounds straight out of sci-fi. Wonderful.

 

[Chestnut]

i took this explanation from someone in F-16 forum

"Our colleagues at Air & Cosmos report that the French government is funding a demonstration of improved stealth technology for the Dassault Rafale fighter, with a focus on active cancellation techniques. The story itself is not online but is being discussed at the Key Military Forum.

Dassault

Active cancellation means preventing a radar from detecting a target by firing back a deception signal with the same frequency as the reflection, but precisely one-half wavelength out of phase with it. Result: the returned energy reaching the radar has no frequency and can't be detected.

It's quite as difficult as it sounds. Some reports have suggested that the so called SP-3 or ZSR-62 "radar jamming device" planned in the early days of the B-2 program was an active cancellation system. It did not work and was scrapped in 1987-88. In 2005, Northrop Grumman paid $62 million to settle a False Claims Act case involving the system.

This may not be the first French attempt to implement AC on the Rafale. At the Paris air show in 1997, I interviewed a senior engineer at what was then Dassault Electronique, about the Rafale's Spectra jamming system. He remarked that Spectra used "stealthy jamming modes that not only have a saturating effect, but make the aircraft invisible... There are some very specific techniques to obtain the signature of a real LO aircraft."

"You mean active cancellation?" I asked. The engineer suddenly looked like someone who deeply regretted what he had just said, and declined any further comment. (As Hobbes once put it after pouncing on an unsuspecting Calvin: "We tigers live for moments like that."*)

The fact that a new demonstrator is being contemplated suggests that the technology may not have been up to the job the first time round - but since AC depends on electronics and processing, that picture may have changed. MBDA and Thales, which absorbed Dassault Electronique and is now the prime contractor on Spectra, have since confirmed that they are working on active cancellation for missiles.

The whole Spectra program has been a major venture, including the construction of four new indoor test ranges, including the colossal Solange RCS range discussed in Ares in 2007. That facility will probably play a major role in the new demonstrator program. "

What's funny is that the Israelis have a simpler yet elegant solution to denying radar detection.

https://www.iai.co.il/p/ell-8251