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[Ruhnama]

I just want to discuss with you all, first i get this from Quora (i am a quoran) so someone write about Indonesian impossible to have carrier or offensive weapon because our UU no 34 tahun 2004 pasal 7 ayat 1 and ayat 2b he stated like that. Also are our seaport cannot support LHD type? Also LHD ship is offensive weapn that can "terbentur UU"?

Just i didnt see that any regulation TNI prohibited to have aircraft carrier/LHD ! Also are our environment didint support use LHD type ship?

(Likely we didint have aircaft carrier but LGD type still suitable)

Any tought?

Cmiiw if i wrong.

 

[Raduga]

I just want to discuss with you all, first i get this from Quora (i am a quoran) so someone write about Indonesian impossible to have carrier or offensive weapon because our UU no 34 tahun 2004 pasal 7 ayat 1 and ayat 2b he stated like that. Also are our seaport cannot support LHD type? Also LHD ship is offensive weapn that can "terbentur UU"?

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Just i didnt see that any regulation TNI prohibited to have aircraft carrier/LHD ! Also are our environment didint support use LHD type ship?

(Likely we didint have aircaft carrier but LGD type still suitable)

Any tought?

Cmiiw if i wrong.

it's just the matter if our doctrine would be persistent or change in the future .

 

[Raduga]

SAAB presentation offering indonesian navy with various product (A26 Submarine , Visby class , RBS-15 , and other stuff) , their long scream in advertising now is heard .​

I Vote RBS as standarized AShM for KCR and new corvette/OPV .

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1403311549833729

 

[Viet]

Turkish-Indonesian-made battle tank attracts more buyers

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KAPLAN MT is the first tank that the Turkish defense industry has exported. (AA Photo)
The mass production of KAPLAN MT Modern Medium Weight Tank, the product of a joint project carried out in Turkey by a leading Ankara-based defense company and an Indonesian defense company, has begun while the producing parties have been conducting new meetings for the export of the vehicle.

The tank-class vehicle was initially developed to meet the Indonesian armed forces' demands for a modern, medium-weight tank and was produced by leading Indonesian armored vehicle manufacturer PT Pindad and Turkey's FNSS Defense Industries Company.

Nail Kurt, general manager and CEO of FNSS, told Anadolu Agency (AA) that FNNS finalized a contract in the last month of 2019 for the mass production of 18 KAPLAN MT tanks, adding that a prototype was set to be delivered at the end of this year, while the rest of the vehicles are planned to be delivered in 2021.

"We expect additional orders within this year and in 2021 within the scope of budgeted works," he added.

Kurt stated that the vehicle is lighter than the main battle tank but the impact power is almost equivalent to that, which enables it to operate with infantrymen easily, adding that this feature of the tank attracts global customers due to its high profitability in an asymmetrical war environment.

Joint Development KAPLAN MT design architecture consists of advanced ballistic and mine protection with a broad range of firepower, ranging from support of infantry to anti-armor.

This vehicle was not only developed for Indonesia but to meet the needs of both Turkey and allied countries, he said.

Exports to other countries on the table

Saying that the project includes the transfer of technology, Kurt noted that FNSS provided a license to the Indonesian company under the scope of the project, enabling the South Asian country to carry out contracts for the export of the vehicle.

Kurt noted that the producing parties are currently in contact with two other countries for the purchase of the tank.

The KAPLAN MT is powered by a power pack located at the rear of the vehicle, which delivers a power-to-weight ratio of about 20 HP/ton. The engine transfers this power to the driving system, which has a six-wheel, anti-shock suspension system with double-pinned tracks mounted on torsion bars.

The tank-class vehicle brings together state-of-the-art modern technology platforms with superior firepower, supported by battlefield management systems and laser warning systems, providing tactical support to the commander.

Firepower is provided by a CMI Cockerill 3105 turret, integrated with a high-pressure 105-millimeter Cockerill gun and an advanced autoloader. Thanks to this turret, the KAPLAN MT has high firepower despite its relatively low weight.

The vehicle, which has an ultimate mine and ballistic protection for its class, rapidly responds to threats in the field and offers adequate firepower over a short period of time which, in turn, ensures superior survivability and mobility on the battlefield.

https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/...onesian-made-battle-tank-attracts-more-buyers

Looking good. How much $ is expected per tank?

 

[Lasa-X]

I just want to discuss with you all, first i get this from Quora (i am a quoran) so someone write about Indonesian impossible to have carrier or offensive weapon because our UU no 34 tahun 2004 pasal 7 ayat 1 and ayat 2b he stated like that. Also are our seaport cannot support LHD type? Also LHD ship is offensive weapn that can "terbentur UU"?

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Just i didnt see that any regulation TNI prohibited to have aircraft carrier/LHD ! Also are our environment didint support use LHD type ship?

(Likely we didint have aircaft carrier but LGD type still suitable)

Any tought?

Cmiiw if i wrong.

I have checked those pasal and nothing about prohibiting TNI from having any LHD/carrier if they want to. In other hand, pasal 2b (OMSP) can be used to get LHD.

 

[Nike]

we already capable to build CB90 copycat albeit with all of downspecs stuff

 

[Ruhnama]

I have checked those pasal and nothing about prohibiting TNI from having any LHD/carrier if they want to. In other hand, pasal 2b (OMSP) can be used to get LHD.

OMSP use LHD gak terlalu mahal kan? I think LHD is is effective and efficient

SAAB presentation offering indonesian navy with various product (A26 Submarine , Visby class , RBS-15 , and other stuff) , their long scream in advertising now is heard .​

I Vote RBS as standarized AShM for KCR and new corvette/OPV .

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1403311549833729

Imho, RBS 15 diameter is big and likely consume more place. But i prefer swedish neighbor kongsberg nsm. It is smaller also they came with air launched variety likely have better stealth capability and lower RCS.

Liat aja yg mana bisa di ToT heheheh

 

[Jatosint]

I just want to discuss with you all, first i get this from Quora (i am a quoran) so someone write about Indonesian impossible to have carrier or offensive weapon because our UU no 34 tahun 2004 pasal 7 ayat 1 and ayat 2b he stated like that. Also are our seaport cannot support LHD type? Also LHD ship is offensive weapn that can "terbentur UU"?

View attachment 603952
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Just i didnt see that any regulation TNI prohibited to have aircraft carrier/LHD ! Also are our environment didint support use LHD type ship?

(Likely we didint have aircaft carrier but LGD type still suitable)

Any tought?

Cmiiw if i wrong.

Ada link quoranya? atau coba di screenshot yang penuh sama pertanyaannya juga

Anyway, gak ada sangkut pautnya sama UU TNI, dipasal 7 yang diatur itu tugas TNI, gak ngatur alutsistanya karena gk mungkin juga diatur. Kemudian definisi 'offensive weapon' itu apa sih? Perasaan kata 'ofensif/defensif' itu lebih ke strategi/taktik yang dipakai dan itupun sifatnya gk absolut (ada counter-attack, dsb)

Masalah kedalaman laut sama pelabuhan di Indo emang harus jadi concern. Tapi untuk LHD kyknya masih bisa deh kalau ngeliat kapal-kapal kontainer raksasa sampai HMAS Canberra masih bisa bersandar di Priok atau peabuhan utama lainnya (Ada yg punya data draft maksimal pelabuhan/lantamal di Indo? Let's say untuk LHD/Mini CV 30.000-65.000++ ton)

IMO, kalau kita udah cukup mampu buat ngatasin semua tantangan biaya operasional, manpower, dsb-nya, LHD akan sangat bermanfaat buat AL terutama buat ningkatin firepower + speed unsur amfibi PPRC kita, termasuk buat ops bencana alam ketika pangkalan di darat udah hancur dan gk bisa dipake (belajar dari kasus tsunami aceh sampai palu)

 

[mandala]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1225777795571150848

 

[Nike]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1225777795571150848

their portfolio quite large in range from optics to artillery but mostly quite outdate compared to their competitor. But i think from Indonesia perspective it is what we need as Indonesia defense industry is not that much developed in the basic knowledge

 

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Skadron Udara 14 kini punya pesawat tempur Sukhoi

CategoryAir ForcePosted onFebruary 7, 2020AuthorRoni Sontani1 Comment

AIRSPACE REVIEW (airspace-review.com) – Lama vakum tidak memiliki pesawat tempur sendiri, kini Skadron Udara 14, Wing 3, Lanud Iswahjudi, Magetan, Jawa Timur kedatangan tiga jet tempur Sukhoi Su-27/30. Bukan berstatus sebagai ‘pinjaman’ dari Skadron Udara 11, ketiga pesawat telah mengenakan logo Skadron Udara 14 yang artinya menjadi kekuatan penerus F-5E/F Tiger II di ‘Skadron Macan’ ini sebelumnya.

Kedatangan ketiga pesawat, terdiri dari satu Su-27 (TS-2701) dan dua Su-30 (TS-3001 dan TS-3002) disambut langsung oleh Komandan Lanud Iswahjudi Marsma TNI Widyargo Ikoputro, S.E., M.M., beserta jajarannya, Jumat (7/2/2020).

Satu flight pesawat dengan callsign Thunder Flight itu diterbangkan dari Lanud Sultan Hasanuddin, Makassar, Sulawesi Selatan dipimpin oleh Komandan Skadron Udara 11 Letkol Pnb Wanda Surijohansyah.

Ketiga pesawat mendarat mulus di Landasan 17 Lanud Iswahjudi. Setelah melepas brake chute ke pinggir landasan, ketiga burung besi ini secara berurutan melintas di taxiway Skadron Udara 14 dengan disambut penghormatan khusus berupa Water Salute oleh dua kendaraan water cannon.

Water Salute merupakan tradisi penyambutan kehormatan, sebagai simbol ucapan selamat datang di Lanud Iswahjudi kepada ketiga pesawat Sukhoi tersebut.

Danlanud Iswahjudi mengatakan, ketiga pesawat Sukhoi yang baru tiba akan dioperasionalkan di Skadron Udara 14. Sebelumnya, ketiga pesawat tersebut berada di Skadron Udara 11, Wing 5, Lanud Sultan Hasanuddin, Makassar.

“Sesuai arahan pimpinan, ketiga pesawat Sukhoi menjadi tambahan kekuatan di Lanud Iswahjudi. Alhamdulillah ketiganya sudah mendarat hari ini dan kita sambut dengan Water Salute. Ketiga pesawat ini juga sudah dipasang logo Skadron Udara 14 pada sisi kanan dan kiri pesawat,” ujar Marsma Iko seperti disampaikan dalam siaran berita Penerangan Lanud Iswahjudi.

Lanud IWJ
Lebih lanjut alumni Akademi Angkatan Udara (AAU) tahun 1992 yang juga penerbang pesawat tempur Sukhoi ini mengatakan, ketiga pesawat yang kini ditempatkan di Skadron Udara 14 adalah pesawat yang baru saja selesai menjalani program Life Estension.

Dalam catatan Airspace Review, ketiga pesawat tersebut merupakan kelompok pesawat Su-27/30 yang dibeli pemerintah Indonesia tahun 2003.

“Pesawat TS-2701, TS-3001, dan TS-3002 ini baru saja selesai program Life Extension,” ujarnya kepada Airspace Review.

Lanud IWJ
Sebelumnya, di Lanud Iswahjudi ditempatkan dua jet tempur Su-30 dari Skadron Udara 11 dengan nomor ekor TS-3004 dan TS-3006.

Dengan datangnya ketiga pesawat untuk Skadron Udara 14 ini, maka kedua pesawat terdahulu dikembalikan lagi ke Skadron Udara 11.

Roni Sontani

https://twitter.com/x/status/1225599244758683648

no turning back, 14th Squadron now officially home of Sukhoi's

 

[Whizzack]

Skadron Udara 14 kini punya pesawat tempur Sukhoi

CategoryAir ForcePosted onFebruary 7, 2020AuthorRoni Sontani1 Comment

AIRSPACE REVIEW (airspace-review.com) – Lama vakum tidak memiliki pesawat tempur sendiri, kini Skadron Udara 14, Wing 3, Lanud Iswahjudi, Magetan, Jawa Timur kedatangan tiga jet tempur Sukhoi Su-27/30. Bukan berstatus sebagai ‘pinjaman’ dari Skadron Udara 11, ketiga pesawat telah mengenakan logo Skadron Udara 14 yang artinya menjadi kekuatan penerus F-5E/F Tiger II di ‘Skadron Macan’ ini sebelumnya.

Kedatangan ketiga pesawat, terdiri dari satu Su-27 (TS-2701) dan dua Su-30 (TS-3001 dan TS-3002) disambut langsung oleh Komandan Lanud Iswahjudi Marsma TNI Widyargo Ikoputro, S.E., M.M., beserta jajarannya, Jumat (7/2/2020).

Satu flight pesawat dengan callsign Thunder Flight itu diterbangkan dari Lanud Sultan Hasanuddin, Makassar, Sulawesi Selatan dipimpin oleh Komandan Skadron Udara 11 Letkol Pnb Wanda Surijohansyah.

Ketiga pesawat mendarat mulus di Landasan 17 Lanud Iswahjudi. Setelah melepas brake chute ke pinggir landasan, ketiga burung besi ini secara berurutan melintas di taxiway Skadron Udara 14 dengan disambut penghormatan khusus berupa Water Salute oleh dua kendaraan water cannon.

Water Salute merupakan tradisi penyambutan kehormatan, sebagai simbol ucapan selamat datang di Lanud Iswahjudi kepada ketiga pesawat Sukhoi tersebut.

Danlanud Iswahjudi mengatakan, ketiga pesawat Sukhoi yang baru tiba akan dioperasionalkan di Skadron Udara 14. Sebelumnya, ketiga pesawat tersebut berada di Skadron Udara 11, Wing 5, Lanud Sultan Hasanuddin, Makassar.

“Sesuai arahan pimpinan, ketiga pesawat Sukhoi menjadi tambahan kekuatan di Lanud Iswahjudi. Alhamdulillah ketiganya sudah mendarat hari ini dan kita sambut dengan Water Salute. Ketiga pesawat ini juga sudah dipasang logo Skadron Udara 14 pada sisi kanan dan kiri pesawat,” ujar Marsma Iko seperti disampaikan dalam siaran berita Penerangan Lanud Iswahjudi.

Lanud IWJ
Lebih lanjut alumni Akademi Angkatan Udara (AAU) tahun 1992 yang juga penerbang pesawat tempur Sukhoi ini mengatakan, ketiga pesawat yang kini ditempatkan di Skadron Udara 14 adalah pesawat yang baru saja selesai menjalani program Life Estension.

Dalam catatan Airspace Review, ketiga pesawat tersebut merupakan kelompok pesawat Su-27/30 yang dibeli pemerintah Indonesia tahun 2003.

“Pesawat TS-2701, TS-3001, dan TS-3002 ini baru saja selesai program Life Extension,” ujarnya kepada Airspace Review.

Lanud IWJ
Sebelumnya, di Lanud Iswahjudi ditempatkan dua jet tempur Su-30 dari Skadron Udara 11 dengan nomor ekor TS-3004 dan TS-3006.

Dengan datangnya ketiga pesawat untuk Skadron Udara 14 ini, maka kedua pesawat terdahulu dikembalikan lagi ke Skadron Udara 11.

Roni Sontani

https://twitter.com/x/status/1225599244758683648

no turning back, 14th Squadron now officially home of Sukhoi's

Oh so does this means that the SU-35s are finally really coming to Sqn 14..? and this is a 'warm up' for the Sqn personnel..?

 

[HellFireIndo]

Ada link quoranya? atau coba di screenshot yang penuh sama pertanyaannya juga

Anyway, gak ada sangkut pautnya sama UU TNI, dipasal 7 yang diatur itu tugas TNI, gak ngatur alutsistanya karena gk mungkin juga diatur. Kemudian definisi 'offensive weapon' itu apa sih? Perasaan kata 'ofensif/defensif' itu lebih ke strategi/taktik yang dipakai dan itupun sifatnya gk absolut (ada counter-attack, dsb)

Masalah kedalaman laut sama pelabuhan di Indo emang harus jadi concern. Tapi untuk LHD kyknya masih bisa deh kalau ngeliat kapal-kapal kontainer raksasa sampai HMAS Canberra masih bisa bersandar di Priok atau peabuhan utama lainnya (Ada yg punya data draft maksimal pelabuhan/lantamal di Indo? Let's say untuk LHD/Mini CV 30.000-65.000++ ton)

IMO, kalau kita udah cukup mampu buat ngatasin semua tantangan biaya operasional, manpower, dsb-nya, LHD akan sangat bermanfaat buat AL terutama buat ningkatin firepower + speed unsur amfibi PPRC kita, termasuk buat ops bencana alam ketika pangkalan di darat udah hancur dan gk bisa dipake (belajar dari kasus tsunami aceh sampai palu)

Laws are like that, interpretations can be very vague, it's all about how you could twist the meaning of words to suit your own interest, which is basically what lawyers did. Heck, if you are cunnig enough, even nukes and carriers can be considered "defensive" weapons, with justification that Indonesia is an archipelagic country, where normal logic of what defined as "pacifist" or "defensive" in continental countries, or even some island nations like Britain or Japan, may not apply to nation like Indonesia.

 

[mandala]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1226013802195378176

 

[radialv]

A26 Subs,

SAAB presentation offering indonesian navy with various product (A26 Submarine , Visby class , RBS-15 , and other stuff) , their long scream in advertising now is heard .​

I Vote RBS as standarized AShM for KCR and new corvette/OPV .

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1403311549833729

A26 Subs... one of my favourite