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[Jatosint]

Are they ready with CBRN kit? Hope the operation going smoothly

Yes, they have CBRN capability

https://twitter.com/x/status/1201097745206956032

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PAL Rewind 2019

 

[umigami]

Mantan Danskadron 11 Akui Rafale yang Diminati Prabowo Sangat Superior

Indonesia dikabarkan berminat membeli 48 pesawat jet tempur Rafale dari Perancis untuk memperkuat TNI Angkatan Udara (AU). Kabar ini diwartakan situs berita Perancis, La Tribune pada 17 Januari lalu.

Media itu menyebutkan bahwa minat pemerintah Indonesia terhadap jet tempur multiperan pabrikan Dassault Aviation diutarakan Menteri Pertahanan, Prabowo Subianto saat melakukan kunjungan ke Paris pada 11-13 Januari lalu.

Menurut sumber internal La Tribune, pembelian ini bakal diwujudkan dalam kesepakatan antar-pemerintah Perancis dan Indonesia, yang diharapkan bisa terwujud dalam waktu dekat.

Dassault Rafale merupakan jet tempur bermesin ganda dengan ciri khas sayap delta dan canard (sayap kecil) di bagian bawah kokpit, yang sangat efektif untuk menghasilkan gaya angkat dan menambah kelincahan bermanuver.

Jet tempur yang teleh teruji tempur ini tercatat telah dua kali mampir ke Pangkalan Udara Halim Perdanakusuma, Jakarta Timur. Terakhir kali kali, jet tempur ini datang ke Indonesia pada 18 Mei 2019. Saat itu tujuh Rafale varian M (maritim, untuk kapal induk) Angkatan Laut Perancis melakukan pendaratan darurat di Lanud Sultan Iskandar Muda, Aceh Besar, lantaran cuaca buruk.

Sementara kehadiran pertamanya pada Maret 2015 lalu, AU Perancis (Armée de l’Air) sempat mendemonstrasikan kebolehan manuver jet tempurnya itu di langit Halim.

Kemudian pada 19 Agustus 2018, tiga Rafale varian B (kursi ganda) AU Perancis kembali singgah di Halim Perdanakusuma, bersamaan dengan pesawat angkut berat Airbus A400M yang kabarnya juga diminati oleh pemerintah RI.

Kedatangan empat pesawat tersebut merupakan bagian dari misi Misi Pegasus 2018 untuk mengunjungi beberapa pangkalan udara negara sahabat yang ada di daratan Benua Asia. Melalui misi ini, AU Perancis bermaksud ingin membuktikan kemampuan-kemampuan tempur pesawat dengan ekor sirip tegak tunggal dan elevons (bagian bergerak dari ujung sayap delta) besar ini kepada TNI AU.

pesawat itu adalah Letkol Pnb Muchtadi Anjar “Beagle” Legowo, pilot senior F-16 Fighting Falcon dan Letkol Pnb Anton “Sioux” Pallaguna, pilot Sukhoi Su-27/30 Flanker yang saat itu menjabat Komandan Skadron Udara 11.

Pesawat beregistrasi 4-FO yang diterbangkan Capt. Vincent “Dingo” bersama Anton “Sioux” berperan sebagai Flight Leader. Sementara pesawat dengan registrasi 4-FN yang diterbangkan langsung Komandan Skadron Udarnya, LtC. Moko bersama Anjar “Beagle” berperan sebagai Wingman.

Area udara di selatan Pelabuhan Ratu (bravo area) dipilih sebagai lokasi demo karena memang wilayah ini steril dari lalu lintas penerbangan sipil. Berbagai manuver misi penyerangan dilakukan di lokasi ini, dan bermain mulai dari ketinggian 0 hingga 40.000 kaki di atas permukaan laut.

Hampir selama 2 jam kedua penerbang senior TNI AU itu diberikan kesempatan untuk menerbangkan langsung Rafale B. Sesuai dengan permintaan, berbagai misi dilaksanakan untuk merasakan superioritas pesawat ini.

Diungkapkan Anton kepada penulis, karena Rafale merupakan pesawat jet tempur yang superior secara avionik, makanya ia pun minta demo BVR (Beyond Visual Range) air-to-air combat kepada AU Perancis. Alasannya, bicara teknologi, maka demo BVR yang perlu untuk diketahui bukan dogfight (pertempuran udara dengan manuver jarak pendek). Karena menurutnya, pesawat Sukhoi sudah rajanya soal dogfight.

“Dia (Rafale) superior saat Pitch Black (2018) kemarin, karena radarnya sudah AESA (active electronically scanned array),” ujarnya.

Demo BVR atau pertempuran jarak jauh (di luar jarak pandang) menjadi cicipan pembuka. Secara berturut-turut, demo misi atau pertempuran udara lainnya yang dijajal Anton dan Anjar adalah close combat (pertempuran jarak dekat), simultaneous multiple DPI surface attack (serangan ke beberapa sasaran permukaan secara bersamaan) dan tactical contour flying (terbang rendah mengikuti permukaan bumi).
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[san.geuk]

i think rafale has advantage over su35, in my opinion the french have a better radar although less manueverability compare to the russian, better bvr, combat proven, more weapons choices, better integrated with previous system we have, the aquisition more expensive but maintenance cost seems cheaper than the su35, it also an omnirole fighter so air superiority must be came in one package, not mention that CAATSA problem, we don't want to loose opportunity left by korea in IFX/KFX project

i can't give the source of my opinion, coz it came from various sources,
viper + rafale seems better than viper + su35

 

[mejikuhibiu]

32F16v + 48rafale.. its a good combine..but If TNI AU buy rafale..its will need huge money..not only for the plane and weapon.but also for infrastructure,training for the crew..TNI AU need to build it from zero..
Does we need to say goodbye for su35?

 

[umigami]

i think rafale has advantage over su35, in my opinion the french have a better radar although less manueverability compare to the russian, better bvr, combat proven, more weapons choices, better integrated with previous system we have, the aquisition more expensive but maintenance cost seems cheaper than the su35, it also an omnirole fighter so air superiority must be came in one package, not mention that CAATSA problem, we don't want to loose opportunity left by korea in IFX/KFX project

i can't give the source of my opinion, coz it came from various sources,
viper + rafale seems better than viper + su35

Can't agree more..

 

[NEKONEKO]

32F16v + 48rafale.. its a good combine..but If TNI AU buy rafale..its will need huge money..not only for the plane and weapon.but also for infrastructure,training for the crew..TNI AU need to build it from zero..
Does we need to say goodbye for su35?

Not a problem anymore, now we have law for multiyear contracts.

 

[striver44]

I know,
Nomernya bro, 48 sebagai alternative 32 viper dan sukhoi atau pengadaan baru?
Kalau pengadaan baru berarti bakal 32 viper + 48 rafale = 80 unit, mending beli satu tipe aja biar dapet deal lebih menguntungkan.
Kok bisa sampai pemberitaannya menyebut angka, ga nyebut kalau Indonesia cuman tertarik saja.

i think rafale has advantage over su35, in my opinion the french have a better radar although less manueverability compare to the russian, better bvr, combat proven, more weapons choices, better integrated with previous system we have, the aquisition more expensive but maintenance cost seems cheaper than the su35, it also an omnirole fighter so air superiority must be came in one package, not mention that CAATSA problem, we don't want to loose opportunity left by korea in IFX/KFX project

i can't give the source of my opinion, coz it came from various sources,
viper + rafale seems better than viper + su35

So the only advantage su35 has is its more agile well Bvr combat masih bisa diakali, on paper israeli mirage iii cant face the more tight turning migs but as we saw in the mid east war tye israeli always came out on top as a result of better pilot quality.

 

[san.geuk]

I can't argue that su35 is one of the best manueverability 4++ gen fighter, even more agile compare to western fighter, but thanks to the canard rafale gains more manueverability at least some claims says better than F35,

The viper defenitly best choice to fill the gap until ifx mature enough for mass production, f18 or f15 is a reasonable choice for f5 replacement, but we have dealing embargoed by US in the past, so f16+f18/f15 is just like all eggs in one bucket phrase quite risky if our national interest opposite to their interest,

So i think rafale is an ideal replacement if su35 contract fail, as long the price competitive, some technology give to us, and no political string attached the decision maker should considered

 

[Lasa-X]

Imho, this is what I think.
Rafale as an ace card to say to US, let Su-35 go and we will buy vipers too. Or we will cancel both and get rafale instead.

 

[umigami]

Imho, this is what I think.
Rafale as an ace card to say to US, let Su-35 go and we will buy vipers too. Or we will cancel both and get rafale instead.

US: So that trade imbalance with Indonesia still persists huh... Alright then, let's put them in our negative list of preferrential trade partner.
That small tariff for their products?
Just kiss it goodbye...

 

[striver44]

I can't argue that su35 is one of the best manueverability 4++ gen fighter, even more agile compare to western fighter, but thanks to the canard rafale gains more manueverability at least some claims says better than F35,

The viper defenitly best choice to fill the gap until ifx mature enough for mass production, f18 or f15 is a reasonable choice for f5 replacement, but we have dealing embargoed by US in the past, so f16+f18/f15 is just like all eggs in one bucket phrase quite risky if our national interest opposite to their interest,

So i think rafale is an ideal replacement if su35 contract fail, as long the price competitive, some technology give to us, and no political string attached the decision maker should considered

Doesnt matter which one is slightly more agile. Off boresight missile will do the job

 

[Nike]

https://m.cnnindonesia.com/internas...rusia-prabowo-bahas-pembelian-11-sukhoi-su-35

 

[NEKONEKO]

US: So that trade imbalance with Indonesia still persists huh... Alright then, let's put them in our negative list of preferrential trade partner.
That small tariff for their products?
Just kiss it goodbye...

Even if we buy F16, in a few years they will have negative trade balance again with us.

 

[Nike]

Even if we buy F16, in a few years they will have negative trade balance again with us.

Better than nothing, at least they still open their market to us

 

[NEKONEKO]

Better than nothing, at least they still open their market to us

Its just that they could threaten us again after we buy F16.
We can rebalance the trade with buying their passenger jet, its to slap the EU too.