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I'm smelling Operasi Komodo 2.0 if TL got too friendly with China in the future.
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TL life depends on INA..if we close a border in NTT and stop supply of Sembako,and bbm.. lumpuh mereka..chinese maybe have lot investment on infra..but we have control they life..
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M14 as their DMR mostly equipped with m16 and.... m113 with add in armor (pohon kelapa spring bed and kerdus karton)
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This a very good article and very informative
Asia's Submarine Powerhouse You Might Not Know About
April 21, 2019 Topic: Security Region: Asia Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: SubmarinesIndonesiaIndonesian NavyChinaAmerica
Indonesia is also well on its way to becoming a major submarine power in the Pacific—for the second time in its history.
by Sebastien Roblin
On April 17, Indonesia reelected president Joko Widodo, who has presided over a rapidly growing economy, even as his originally liberal politics have taken anincreasingly conservative bent. The unique Muslim democracy consist of seventeen thousand islands spanning from South East Asia to the waters off Australia. With over 269 million inhabitants, it is also the fourth most populous country on the planet, ranked just behind the United States.
Indonesia is also well on its way to becoming a major submarine power in the Pacific—for the second time in its history.
The latest milestone was the launch of the KRI Alugoro on April 11, 2019 from Semarang Dock in Surabaya, Indonesia—the first ever submarine built by the island nation, though with some assistance from the type’s Korean manufacturer DSME.
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Two Korean-built sisterships, the Nagapasa and Ardadedali were commissioned by Indonesia in 2017 and 2018. All together the three submarines, and the technology transfer for Indonesian manufacture, cost $1.2 billion. The new boats join two nearly forty-year-old Type 209/1300 submarines named Cakra and Nanggala, which are being upgraded with new sensors and combat systems.
The Type 209 was first prolifically built by Germany than approved for license production in South Korea as the Chang Bogo-class. The Nagapasa-class submarines are Improved Type 209-1400 submarines with new German sonars, radars and navigation systems.
Report Advertisement
The fourteen-hundred-ton submarines have fairly typical performance parameters and weaponry ranging from torpedoes, mines, anti-ship missiles and even capacity for naval commandoes. However, they lack cutting-edge technologies such as Air Independent Propulsion orLithium Ion Batteries, both of which could allow them to remain submerged for much longer intervals.
Nonetheless, even traditional diesel-electric submarines can prove extremely difficult to track. The Argentinian Type 209 San Luis, for example, nearly torpedoed two oblivious British warships during the Falkland War, but repeated torpedo malfunctions spared the Royal Navy vessels.
Report Advertisement
In 2019, the Indonesian Navy announced it would purchase three more Improved Type 209s from DSME for $1.02 billion, and that they would enter service by 2026. Furthermore, the Indonesian Navy may aim for a total of twelve submarines by procuring six more advanced submarines—potentially Type 214 export submarines with air independent propulsionaccording to submarine analyst Peter Coats.
Indonesia’s Whiskey-Class Subs
In fact, for around a decade Indonesia had the largest indigenous submarine fleet in South East Asia. During the 1950s, newly-independent Indonesia sought to expand its political control over outlying islands, some of which still flew Dutch colonial flag. Under independence leader Sukarno, Jakarta began purchasing extensive Soviet arms to supports its “Confrontation” policy of using military pressure.
Those acquisitions included twelve Soviet Whiskey-class diesel electric submarines and a submarine tender (KRI Ratulangi) to support them. During the 1950s, Soviet shipyards churned out over 200 Whiskey-class boats, which were based on newly-acquired technology from Nazi Germany’s Type XXI “electric boat” U-Boat. Famously, one of the old submarines crashed into the Swedish coast in the“Whiskey on the Rocks” incident.
The 1,470-ton submarines were delivered between 1959–1962 along with then-advanced SAET-50 anti-ship acoustic homing torpedoes. The initial Indonesian crews received nine months of training in Gdansk, Poland from Russian instructors in English, including cruises on the Baltic.
Jakarta soon put the subs to use in its campaign for control of Western Guinea, as described by Rear Adm. Agung Pramono in “The History of the Indonesian Submarine Squadron.”
Report Advertisement
“There were three submarine deployments during the military operation—called JAYA WIJAYA 1—against the Dutch forces in the West Papua. KRI Nagabanda (403), KRI Trisula (402), and KRI Tjandrasa (408) successfully launched an attack on the Dutch forces in the West Papua area; in operation TJAKRA II, Tjandrasa managed to infiltrate the enemy’s area to land a group of Indonesian Special Forces on the island. [15 personnel near Sentani airport.]
For the success of that operation, the Indonesian Government awarded Tjandrasa and her crew with the prestigious “Bintang Sakti” medal. To the present day, Tjandrasa is the only naval vessel to have been awarded the medal.
Report Advertisement
In April 1963, in operation VISHNU MUKTI, KRl Nagarangsang, Tjundamani and Alugoro again conducted a ‘show of force’ in West Papua waters.”
A collection of anecdotes from the Indonesian blog Weapons Technology describes a harrowing incident involving the Nagabanda near Biak in 1962:
Report Advertisement
“At 12:15 there suddenly came an order to dive to a depth of 15 meters. The sub’s commander Major Tjipto Wignjoprajitno gasped "They are flying above us! If they drop bombs, we are finished!"
Apparently that night a Dutch Neptune plane approached Nagabanda from behind. The crew only detected it when the plane was above them.
Report Advertisement
Nagabanda continued to dive to a depth of 50 meters. Suddenly there was the sound: ping ... ping ... ping ... Apparently the Dutch had dropped a sonar buoy.
Nagabanda continued diving down to 70 meters. Soon afterwards the Dutch began to drop depth charges. BOOM ...
Report Advertisement
For three hours the Nagabanda continued zig-zag while submerged. Depth charges continued to detonate. Conditions on the submarine became critical, especially after the submarine’s horizontal steering was damaged. The boat could no longer pull up from its dive.
Report Advertisement
Nagabanda’s commander decided to turn off the diesel engine to avoid going too deep. After that they look for a "liquid runway”—a layer of seawater with a higher density than the surrounding waters. There they kept silent while turning off all noise-producing equipment. Even the crew was forbidden from moving.
They survived in stuffy air, heat and lack of oxygen for 36 hours before finally convinced the Dutch squadron moved away. At midnight they climbed to the sea surface by blowing their ballast. From there they sailed to Halmahera, where they discovered the damage to the horizontal steering was caused by the leaves of the right and left steering wheel being detached due to a depth charge explosion.”
The Whiskey-class Alugoro was also photographed test-firing a Soviet-supplied SSN-3 Shaddock anti-ship cruise missile. The test of the bulky folding-wing missiles, which had to be fired while surfaced, may have been intended to intimidate Dutch forces.
Jakarta ultimately achieved its objective of forcing the Dutch out of West New Guinea. Then from 1963–1966, it unsuccessfully militarily opposed the creation of an independent Malaysian state, drawing it into repeated clashes with Australian forces.
Therefore, in 1964 the Nagabanda was dispatched to spy on the coast of Western Australia, which proved to have colder waters than the crew was used to. Upon turning around, they decided to dump their garbage in Australian waters, “especially [empty food cans] made in Indonesia.”
Later, Nagabanda was dispatched to photograph Malaysia’s Terengganu beach to determine whether it was viable to land troops there. Detected by a British frigate and Shackleton patrol plane, the crew temporarily repainted their hull numbers to confuse their pursuers.
However, Sukarno’s warming relationship with the Soviet Union inspired U.S. efforts to destabilize him. Finally, in 1966–1967 the CIA helped orchestrate a right-wing military coup, which resulted in in the slaughter over a half-million Indonesian communists and ethnic minorities. This butchery chilled relations with Soviet Union, which stopped providing the spare parts and maintenance expertise necessary to run the submarines, forcing Indonesia to cannibalize most of the fleet in the 1970s.
Nonetheless, the KRI Pasopati remained operational during the Indonesian invasion of East Timor in 1976. The Pasopati was finally decommissioned in 1990 and is now a museum ship in the middle of downtown Surabaya.
Indonesia’s history of submarine combat operations hints at how its current rapidly growing undersea fleet willenhance the island nation’s maritime clout in the south Pacific—both in terms of anti-ship capability, as well as the ability to covertly deploy troops and spy on activities of its neighbors.
Sébastien Roblin holds a master’s degree in conflict resolution from Georgetown University and served as a university instructor for the Peace Corps in China. He has also worked in education, editing, and refugee resettlement in France and the United States. He currently writes on security and military history for War Is Boring.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/asias-submarine-powerhouse-you-might-not-know-about-53422
Asia's Submarine Powerhouse You Might Not Know About
April 21, 2019 Topic: Security Region: Asia Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: SubmarinesIndonesiaIndonesian NavyChinaAmerica
Indonesia is also well on its way to becoming a major submarine power in the Pacific—for the second time in its history.
by Sebastien Roblin
On April 17, Indonesia reelected president Joko Widodo, who has presided over a rapidly growing economy, even as his originally liberal politics have taken anincreasingly conservative bent. The unique Muslim democracy consist of seventeen thousand islands spanning from South East Asia to the waters off Australia. With over 269 million inhabitants, it is also the fourth most populous country on the planet, ranked just behind the United States.
Indonesia is also well on its way to becoming a major submarine power in the Pacific—for the second time in its history.
The latest milestone was the launch of the KRI Alugoro on April 11, 2019 from Semarang Dock in Surabaya, Indonesia—the first ever submarine built by the island nation, though with some assistance from the type’s Korean manufacturer DSME.
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Two Korean-built sisterships, the Nagapasa and Ardadedali were commissioned by Indonesia in 2017 and 2018. All together the three submarines, and the technology transfer for Indonesian manufacture, cost $1.2 billion. The new boats join two nearly forty-year-old Type 209/1300 submarines named Cakra and Nanggala, which are being upgraded with new sensors and combat systems.
The Type 209 was first prolifically built by Germany than approved for license production in South Korea as the Chang Bogo-class. The Nagapasa-class submarines are Improved Type 209-1400 submarines with new German sonars, radars and navigation systems.
Report Advertisement
The fourteen-hundred-ton submarines have fairly typical performance parameters and weaponry ranging from torpedoes, mines, anti-ship missiles and even capacity for naval commandoes. However, they lack cutting-edge technologies such as Air Independent Propulsion orLithium Ion Batteries, both of which could allow them to remain submerged for much longer intervals.
Nonetheless, even traditional diesel-electric submarines can prove extremely difficult to track. The Argentinian Type 209 San Luis, for example, nearly torpedoed two oblivious British warships during the Falkland War, but repeated torpedo malfunctions spared the Royal Navy vessels.
Report Advertisement
In 2019, the Indonesian Navy announced it would purchase three more Improved Type 209s from DSME for $1.02 billion, and that they would enter service by 2026. Furthermore, the Indonesian Navy may aim for a total of twelve submarines by procuring six more advanced submarines—potentially Type 214 export submarines with air independent propulsionaccording to submarine analyst Peter Coats.
Indonesia’s Whiskey-Class Subs
In fact, for around a decade Indonesia had the largest indigenous submarine fleet in South East Asia. During the 1950s, newly-independent Indonesia sought to expand its political control over outlying islands, some of which still flew Dutch colonial flag. Under independence leader Sukarno, Jakarta began purchasing extensive Soviet arms to supports its “Confrontation” policy of using military pressure.
Those acquisitions included twelve Soviet Whiskey-class diesel electric submarines and a submarine tender (KRI Ratulangi) to support them. During the 1950s, Soviet shipyards churned out over 200 Whiskey-class boats, which were based on newly-acquired technology from Nazi Germany’s Type XXI “electric boat” U-Boat. Famously, one of the old submarines crashed into the Swedish coast in the“Whiskey on the Rocks” incident.
The 1,470-ton submarines were delivered between 1959–1962 along with then-advanced SAET-50 anti-ship acoustic homing torpedoes. The initial Indonesian crews received nine months of training in Gdansk, Poland from Russian instructors in English, including cruises on the Baltic.
Jakarta soon put the subs to use in its campaign for control of Western Guinea, as described by Rear Adm. Agung Pramono in “The History of the Indonesian Submarine Squadron.”
Report Advertisement
“There were three submarine deployments during the military operation—called JAYA WIJAYA 1—against the Dutch forces in the West Papua. KRI Nagabanda (403), KRI Trisula (402), and KRI Tjandrasa (408) successfully launched an attack on the Dutch forces in the West Papua area; in operation TJAKRA II, Tjandrasa managed to infiltrate the enemy’s area to land a group of Indonesian Special Forces on the island. [15 personnel near Sentani airport.]
For the success of that operation, the Indonesian Government awarded Tjandrasa and her crew with the prestigious “Bintang Sakti” medal. To the present day, Tjandrasa is the only naval vessel to have been awarded the medal.
Report Advertisement
In April 1963, in operation VISHNU MUKTI, KRl Nagarangsang, Tjundamani and Alugoro again conducted a ‘show of force’ in West Papua waters.”
A collection of anecdotes from the Indonesian blog Weapons Technology describes a harrowing incident involving the Nagabanda near Biak in 1962:
Report Advertisement
“At 12:15 there suddenly came an order to dive to a depth of 15 meters. The sub’s commander Major Tjipto Wignjoprajitno gasped "They are flying above us! If they drop bombs, we are finished!"
Apparently that night a Dutch Neptune plane approached Nagabanda from behind. The crew only detected it when the plane was above them.
Report Advertisement
Nagabanda continued to dive to a depth of 50 meters. Suddenly there was the sound: ping ... ping ... ping ... Apparently the Dutch had dropped a sonar buoy.
Nagabanda continued diving down to 70 meters. Soon afterwards the Dutch began to drop depth charges. BOOM ...
Report Advertisement
For three hours the Nagabanda continued zig-zag while submerged. Depth charges continued to detonate. Conditions on the submarine became critical, especially after the submarine’s horizontal steering was damaged. The boat could no longer pull up from its dive.
Report Advertisement
Nagabanda’s commander decided to turn off the diesel engine to avoid going too deep. After that they look for a "liquid runway”—a layer of seawater with a higher density than the surrounding waters. There they kept silent while turning off all noise-producing equipment. Even the crew was forbidden from moving.
They survived in stuffy air, heat and lack of oxygen for 36 hours before finally convinced the Dutch squadron moved away. At midnight they climbed to the sea surface by blowing their ballast. From there they sailed to Halmahera, where they discovered the damage to the horizontal steering was caused by the leaves of the right and left steering wheel being detached due to a depth charge explosion.”
The Whiskey-class Alugoro was also photographed test-firing a Soviet-supplied SSN-3 Shaddock anti-ship cruise missile. The test of the bulky folding-wing missiles, which had to be fired while surfaced, may have been intended to intimidate Dutch forces.
Jakarta ultimately achieved its objective of forcing the Dutch out of West New Guinea. Then from 1963–1966, it unsuccessfully militarily opposed the creation of an independent Malaysian state, drawing it into repeated clashes with Australian forces.
Therefore, in 1964 the Nagabanda was dispatched to spy on the coast of Western Australia, which proved to have colder waters than the crew was used to. Upon turning around, they decided to dump their garbage in Australian waters, “especially [empty food cans] made in Indonesia.”
Later, Nagabanda was dispatched to photograph Malaysia’s Terengganu beach to determine whether it was viable to land troops there. Detected by a British frigate and Shackleton patrol plane, the crew temporarily repainted their hull numbers to confuse their pursuers.
However, Sukarno’s warming relationship with the Soviet Union inspired U.S. efforts to destabilize him. Finally, in 1966–1967 the CIA helped orchestrate a right-wing military coup, which resulted in in the slaughter over a half-million Indonesian communists and ethnic minorities. This butchery chilled relations with Soviet Union, which stopped providing the spare parts and maintenance expertise necessary to run the submarines, forcing Indonesia to cannibalize most of the fleet in the 1970s.
Nonetheless, the KRI Pasopati remained operational during the Indonesian invasion of East Timor in 1976. The Pasopati was finally decommissioned in 1990 and is now a museum ship in the middle of downtown Surabaya.
Indonesia’s history of submarine combat operations hints at how its current rapidly growing undersea fleet willenhance the island nation’s maritime clout in the south Pacific—both in terms of anti-ship capability, as well as the ability to covertly deploy troops and spy on activities of its neighbors.
Sébastien Roblin holds a master’s degree in conflict resolution from Georgetown University and served as a university instructor for the Peace Corps in China. He has also worked in education, editing, and refugee resettlement in France and the United States. He currently writes on security and military history for War Is Boring.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/asias-submarine-powerhouse-you-might-not-know-about-53422
This a very good article and very informative
Asia's Submarine Powerhouse You Might Not Know About
April 21, 2019 Topic: Security Region: Asia Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: SubmarinesIndonesiaIndonesian NavyChinaAmerica
Indonesia is also well on its way to becoming a major submarine power in the Pacific—for the second time in its history.
by Sebastien Roblin
On April 17, Indonesia reelected president Joko Widodo, who has presided over a rapidly growing economy, even as his originally liberal politics have taken anincreasingly conservative bent. The unique Muslim democracy consist of seventeen thousand islands spanning from South East Asia to the waters off Australia. With over 269 million inhabitants, it is also the fourth most populous country on the planet, ranked just behind the United States.
Indonesia is also well on its way to becoming a major submarine power in the Pacific—for the second time in its history.
The latest milestone was the launch of the KRI Alugoro on April 11, 2019 from Semarang Dock in Surabaya, Indonesia—the first ever submarine built by the island nation, though with some assistance from the type’s Korean manufacturer DSME.
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1981
The Washington Star ceases all operations after 128 years of publication.
1858
The first Australian rules football match is played between Melbourne Grammar and Scotch College.
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Two Korean-built sisterships, the Nagapasa and Ardadedali were commissioned by Indonesia in 2017 and 2018. All together the three submarines, and the technology transfer for Indonesian manufacture, cost $1.2 billion. The new boats join two nearly forty-year-old Type 209/1300 submarines named Cakra and Nanggala, which are being upgraded with new sensors and combat systems.
The Type 209 was first prolifically built by Germany than approved for license production in South Korea as the Chang Bogo-class. The Nagapasa-class submarines are Improved Type 209-1400 submarines with new German sonars, radars and navigation systems.
Report Advertisement
The fourteen-hundred-ton submarines have fairly typical performance parameters and weaponry ranging from torpedoes, mines, anti-ship missiles and even capacity for naval commandoes. However, they lack cutting-edge technologies such as Air Independent Propulsion orLithium Ion Batteries, both of which could allow them to remain submerged for much longer intervals.
Nonetheless, even traditional diesel-electric submarines can prove extremely difficult to track. The Argentinian Type 209 San Luis, for example, nearly torpedoed two oblivious British warships during the Falkland War, but repeated torpedo malfunctions spared the Royal Navy vessels.
Report Advertisement
In 2019, the Indonesian Navy announced it would purchase three more Improved Type 209s from DSME for $1.02 billion, and that they would enter service by 2026. Furthermore, the Indonesian Navy may aim for a total of twelve submarines by procuring six more advanced submarines—potentially Type 214 export submarines with air independent propulsionaccording to submarine analyst Peter Coats.
Indonesia’s Whiskey-Class Subs
In fact, for around a decade Indonesia had the largest indigenous submarine fleet in South East Asia. During the 1950s, newly-independent Indonesia sought to expand its political control over outlying islands, some of which still flew Dutch colonial flag. Under independence leader Sukarno, Jakarta began purchasing extensive Soviet arms to supports its “Confrontation” policy of using military pressure.
Those acquisitions included twelve Soviet Whiskey-class diesel electric submarines and a submarine tender (KRI Ratulangi) to support them. During the 1950s, Soviet shipyards churned out over 200 Whiskey-class boats, which were based on newly-acquired technology from Nazi Germany’s Type XXI “electric boat” U-Boat. Famously, one of the old submarines crashed into the Swedish coast in the“Whiskey on the Rocks” incident.
The 1,470-ton submarines were delivered between 1959–1962 along with then-advanced SAET-50 anti-ship acoustic homing torpedoes. The initial Indonesian crews received nine months of training in Gdansk, Poland from Russian instructors in English, including cruises on the Baltic.
Jakarta soon put the subs to use in its campaign for control of Western Guinea, as described by Rear Adm. Agung Pramono in “The History of the Indonesian Submarine Squadron.”
Report Advertisement
“There were three submarine deployments during the military operation—called JAYA WIJAYA 1—against the Dutch forces in the West Papua. KRI Nagabanda (403), KRI Trisula (402), and KRI Tjandrasa (408) successfully launched an attack on the Dutch forces in the West Papua area; in operation TJAKRA II, Tjandrasa managed to infiltrate the enemy’s area to land a group of Indonesian Special Forces on the island. [15 personnel near Sentani airport.]
For the success of that operation, the Indonesian Government awarded Tjandrasa and her crew with the prestigious “Bintang Sakti” medal. To the present day, Tjandrasa is the only naval vessel to have been awarded the medal.
Report Advertisement
In April 1963, in operation VISHNU MUKTI, KRl Nagarangsang, Tjundamani and Alugoro again conducted a ‘show of force’ in West Papua waters.”
A collection of anecdotes from the Indonesian blog Weapons Technology describes a harrowing incident involving the Nagabanda near Biak in 1962:
Report Advertisement
“At 12:15 there suddenly came an order to dive to a depth of 15 meters. The sub’s commander Major Tjipto Wignjoprajitno gasped "They are flying above us! If they drop bombs, we are finished!"
Apparently that night a Dutch Neptune plane approached Nagabanda from behind. The crew only detected it when the plane was above them.
Report Advertisement
Nagabanda continued to dive to a depth of 50 meters. Suddenly there was the sound: ping ... ping ... ping ... Apparently the Dutch had dropped a sonar buoy.
Nagabanda continued diving down to 70 meters. Soon afterwards the Dutch began to drop depth charges. BOOM ...
Report Advertisement
For three hours the Nagabanda continued zig-zag while submerged. Depth charges continued to detonate. Conditions on the submarine became critical, especially after the submarine’s horizontal steering was damaged. The boat could no longer pull up from its dive.
Report Advertisement
Nagabanda’s commander decided to turn off the diesel engine to avoid going too deep. After that they look for a "liquid runway”—a layer of seawater with a higher density than the surrounding waters. There they kept silent while turning off all noise-producing equipment. Even the crew was forbidden from moving.
They survived in stuffy air, heat and lack of oxygen for 36 hours before finally convinced the Dutch squadron moved away. At midnight they climbed to the sea surface by blowing their ballast. From there they sailed to Halmahera, where they discovered the damage to the horizontal steering was caused by the leaves of the right and left steering wheel being detached due to a depth charge explosion.”
The Whiskey-class Alugoro was also photographed test-firing a Soviet-supplied SSN-3 Shaddock anti-ship cruise missile. The test of the bulky folding-wing missiles, which had to be fired while surfaced, may have been intended to intimidate Dutch forces.
Jakarta ultimately achieved its objective of forcing the Dutch out of West New Guinea. Then from 1963–1966, it unsuccessfully militarily opposed the creation of an independent Malaysian state, drawing it into repeated clashes with Australian forces.
Therefore, in 1964 the Nagabanda was dispatched to spy on the coast of Western Australia, which proved to have colder waters than the crew was used to. Upon turning around, they decided to dump their garbage in Australian waters, “especially [empty food cans] made in Indonesia.”
Later, Nagabanda was dispatched to photograph Malaysia’s Terengganu beach to determine whether it was viable to land troops there. Detected by a British frigate and Shackleton patrol plane, the crew temporarily repainted their hull numbers to confuse their pursuers.
However, Sukarno’s warming relationship with the Soviet Union inspired U.S. efforts to destabilize him. Finally, in 1966–1967 the CIA helped orchestrate a right-wing military coup, which resulted in in the slaughter over a half-million Indonesian communists and ethnic minorities. This butchery chilled relations with Soviet Union, which stopped providing the spare parts and maintenance expertise necessary to run the submarines, forcing Indonesia to cannibalize most of the fleet in the 1970s.
Nonetheless, the KRI Pasopati remained operational during the Indonesian invasion of East Timor in 1976. The Pasopati was finally decommissioned in 1990 and is now a museum ship in the middle of downtown Surabaya.
Indonesia’s history of submarine combat operations hints at how its current rapidly growing undersea fleet willenhance the island nation’s maritime clout in the south Pacific—both in terms of anti-ship capability, as well as the ability to covertly deploy troops and spy on activities of its neighbors.
Sébastien Roblin holds a master’s degree in conflict resolution from Georgetown University and served as a university instructor for the Peace Corps in China. He has also worked in education, editing, and refugee resettlement in France and the United States. He currently writes on security and military history for War Is Boring.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/asias-submarine-powerhouse-you-might-not-know-about-53422
we should really get some low magnetic signature capable submarine , so they can hide from magnetometer and MAD sensor stuff
got some nice PDF about swedish degaussing system to counteract their vessels magnetic signature
http://www.militarysystems-tech.com...supplier_docs/Advanced Degaussing Systems.pdf
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This a very good article and very informative
Asia's Submarine Powerhouse You Might Not Know About
April 21, 2019 Topic: Security Region: Asia Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: SubmarinesIndonesiaIndonesian NavyChinaAmerica
Indonesia is also well on its way to becoming a major submarine power in the Pacific—for the second time in its history.
by Sebastien Roblin
On April 17, Indonesia reelected president Joko Widodo, who has presided over a rapidly growing economy, even as his originally liberal politics have taken anincreasingly conservative bent. The unique Muslim democracy consist of seventeen thousand islands spanning from South East Asia to the waters off Australia. With over 269 million inhabitants, it is also the fourth most populous country on the planet, ranked just behind the United States.
Indonesia is also well on its way to becoming a major submarine power in the Pacific—for the second time in its history.
The latest milestone was the launch of the KRI Alugoro on April 11, 2019 from Semarang Dock in Surabaya, Indonesia—the first ever submarine built by the island nation, though with some assistance from the type’s Korean manufacturer DSME.
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1981
The Washington Star ceases all operations after 128 years of publication.
1858
The first Australian rules football match is played between Melbourne Grammar and Scotch College.
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Two Korean-built sisterships, the Nagapasa and Ardadedali were commissioned by Indonesia in 2017 and 2018. All together the three submarines, and the technology transfer for Indonesian manufacture, cost $1.2 billion. The new boats join two nearly forty-year-old Type 209/1300 submarines named Cakra and Nanggala, which are being upgraded with new sensors and combat systems.
The Type 209 was first prolifically built by Germany than approved for license production in South Korea as the Chang Bogo-class. The Nagapasa-class submarines are Improved Type 209-1400 submarines with new German sonars, radars and navigation systems.
Report Advertisement
The fourteen-hundred-ton submarines have fairly typical performance parameters and weaponry ranging from torpedoes, mines, anti-ship missiles and even capacity for naval commandoes. However, they lack cutting-edge technologies such as Air Independent Propulsion orLithium Ion Batteries, both of which could allow them to remain submerged for much longer intervals.
Nonetheless, even traditional diesel-electric submarines can prove extremely difficult to track. The Argentinian Type 209 San Luis, for example, nearly torpedoed two oblivious British warships during the Falkland War, but repeated torpedo malfunctions spared the Royal Navy vessels.
Report Advertisement
In 2019, the Indonesian Navy announced it would purchase three more Improved Type 209s from DSME for $1.02 billion, and that they would enter service by 2026. Furthermore, the Indonesian Navy may aim for a total of twelve submarines by procuring six more advanced submarines—potentially Type 214 export submarines with air independent propulsionaccording to submarine analyst Peter Coats.
Indonesia’s Whiskey-Class Subs
In fact, for around a decade Indonesia had the largest indigenous submarine fleet in South East Asia. During the 1950s, newly-independent Indonesia sought to expand its political control over outlying islands, some of which still flew Dutch colonial flag. Under independence leader Sukarno, Jakarta began purchasing extensive Soviet arms to supports its “Confrontation” policy of using military pressure.
Those acquisitions included twelve Soviet Whiskey-class diesel electric submarines and a submarine tender (KRI Ratulangi) to support them. During the 1950s, Soviet shipyards churned out over 200 Whiskey-class boats, which were based on newly-acquired technology from Nazi Germany’s Type XXI “electric boat” U-Boat. Famously, one of the old submarines crashed into the Swedish coast in the“Whiskey on the Rocks” incident.
The 1,470-ton submarines were delivered between 1959–1962 along with then-advanced SAET-50 anti-ship acoustic homing torpedoes. The initial Indonesian crews received nine months of training in Gdansk, Poland from Russian instructors in English, including cruises on the Baltic.
Jakarta soon put the subs to use in its campaign for control of Western Guinea, as described by Rear Adm. Agung Pramono in “The History of the Indonesian Submarine Squadron.”
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“There were three submarine deployments during the military operation—called JAYA WIJAYA 1—against the Dutch forces in the West Papua. KRI Nagabanda (403), KRI Trisula (402), and KRI Tjandrasa (408) successfully launched an attack on the Dutch forces in the West Papua area; in operation TJAKRA II, Tjandrasa managed to infiltrate the enemy’s area to land a group of Indonesian Special Forces on the island. [15 personnel near Sentani airport.]
For the success of that operation, the Indonesian Government awarded Tjandrasa and her crew with the prestigious “Bintang Sakti” medal. To the present day, Tjandrasa is the only naval vessel to have been awarded the medal.
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In April 1963, in operation VISHNU MUKTI, KRl Nagarangsang, Tjundamani and Alugoro again conducted a ‘show of force’ in West Papua waters.”
A collection of anecdotes from the Indonesian blog Weapons Technology describes a harrowing incident involving the Nagabanda near Biak in 1962:
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“At 12:15 there suddenly came an order to dive to a depth of 15 meters. The sub’s commander Major Tjipto Wignjoprajitno gasped "They are flying above us! If they drop bombs, we are finished!"
Apparently that night a Dutch Neptune plane approached Nagabanda from behind. The crew only detected it when the plane was above them.
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Nagabanda continued to dive to a depth of 50 meters. Suddenly there was the sound: ping ... ping ... ping ... Apparently the Dutch had dropped a sonar buoy.
Nagabanda continued diving down to 70 meters. Soon afterwards the Dutch began to drop depth charges. BOOM ...
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For three hours the Nagabanda continued zig-zag while submerged. Depth charges continued to detonate. Conditions on the submarine became critical, especially after the submarine’s horizontal steering was damaged. The boat could no longer pull up from its dive.
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Nagabanda’s commander decided to turn off the diesel engine to avoid going too deep. After that they look for a "liquid runway”—a layer of seawater with a higher density than the surrounding waters. There they kept silent while turning off all noise-producing equipment. Even the crew was forbidden from moving.
They survived in stuffy air, heat and lack of oxygen for 36 hours before finally convinced the Dutch squadron moved away. At midnight they climbed to the sea surface by blowing their ballast. From there they sailed to Halmahera, where they discovered the damage to the horizontal steering was caused by the leaves of the right and left steering wheel being detached due to a depth charge explosion.”
The Whiskey-class Alugoro was also photographed test-firing a Soviet-supplied SSN-3 Shaddock anti-ship cruise missile. The test of the bulky folding-wing missiles, which had to be fired while surfaced, may have been intended to intimidate Dutch forces.
Jakarta ultimately achieved its objective of forcing the Dutch out of West New Guinea. Then from 1963–1966, it unsuccessfully militarily opposed the creation of an independent Malaysian state, drawing it into repeated clashes with Australian forces.
Therefore, in 1964 the Nagabanda was dispatched to spy on the coast of Western Australia, which proved to have colder waters than the crew was used to. Upon turning around, they decided to dump their garbage in Australian waters, “especially [empty food cans] made in Indonesia.”
Later, Nagabanda was dispatched to photograph Malaysia’s Terengganu beach to determine whether it was viable to land troops there. Detected by a British frigate and Shackleton patrol plane, the crew temporarily repainted their hull numbers to confuse their pursuers.
However, Sukarno’s warming relationship with the Soviet Union inspired U.S. efforts to destabilize him. Finally, in 1966–1967 the CIA helped orchestrate a right-wing military coup, which resulted in in the slaughter over a half-million Indonesian communists and ethnic minorities. This butchery chilled relations with Soviet Union, which stopped providing the spare parts and maintenance expertise necessary to run the submarines, forcing Indonesia to cannibalize most of the fleet in the 1970s.
Nonetheless, the KRI Pasopati remained operational during the Indonesian invasion of East Timor in 1976. The Pasopati was finally decommissioned in 1990 and is now a museum ship in the middle of downtown Surabaya.
Indonesia’s history of submarine combat operations hints at how its current rapidly growing undersea fleet willenhance the island nation’s maritime clout in the south Pacific—both in terms of anti-ship capability, as well as the ability to covertly deploy troops and spy on activities of its neighbors.
Sébastien Roblin holds a master’s degree in conflict resolution from Georgetown University and served as a university instructor for the Peace Corps in China. He has also worked in education, editing, and refugee resettlement in France and the United States. He currently writes on security and military history for War Is Boring.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/asias-submarine-powerhouse-you-might-not-know-about-53422
I read an article around a year ago from FSM there was a future plan to adopt lithium ion battery for our submarines. Increasing submerge durability from 5 days to 11 days, well pretty much interesting, not as great as AIP ( which says to boost up to 3 weeks submerge ) but still decent lethal upgrades or we should wait DSME study on inserting AIP cell to DSME 1400.
Well China recently rent a strategic port in Darwin for 99 years.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/10755720
It's not Federal Government who lease it, but local Northern Territory Government however there's pretty much debate in Federal Parliament. Opposition MPs from Labor Party proposed to nationalise the strategic port. Idk about Timor Leste however the 1st one being agitated with Chinese military presence will be without doubt Australia and we shouldn't make the same mistake as Operasi Seroja 1975; if Australia has interests to keep China out of TL then they themself must do it themself either through politics & economic package aid or military intevention. Though the prospects of 2nd option will be either they install a friendly government toward them or have it annexed.
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When one country allowing its own teritory to be military based by other country then I am not surprise this kinda of things happen (Subic base back then). Malaysia is not far behind, butterworth is one of the example. In many blogs/forums some of them say that their neighbor like Sing, INA will help them if China attacked. This kind of state of mind is kinda sad but thats the fact we have to take into account when dealing with regional power balance.
I still remember having discussion with you about our history "maybe our history happened for a reason (dutch colony, Soekarno era, Soeharto, etc)". This shape up our mentality to be independent not relying on others for our own security. Our Hankamrata doctrin really take into account and its in our DNA already, we might strive with our own internal security but at least from outside force or teritorial claims our politicians, military, people, are all in the same page
TL has been taken into account in both diplomacy and security. Our leopard is placed close to TL, and future fighter Ska will be station around there. Again our military point of view is still in a regional balancing power doctrine, I am pretty sure this should be enough for the time being as it will send a massage to chinese govt about our stand on TL situation.
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TL and most pacific states are already under australian influence, china and indonesia might have a fair share in their economy , but AUS is still their security guarantor, their defence equipment is still very much dependant on Australia giveaway such as guns,patrol boats etc. So as long as they are still in australian orbit im fine with that.When one country allowing its own teritory to be military based by other country then I am not surprise this kinda of things happen (Subic base back then). Malaysia is not far behind, butterworth is one of the example. In many blogs/forums some of them say that their neighbor like Sing, INA will help them if China attacked. This kind of state of mind is kinda sad but thats the fact we have to take into account when dealing with regional power balance.
I still remember having discussion with you about our history "maybe our history happened for a reason (dutch colony, Soekarno era, Soeharto, etc)". This shape up our mentality to be independent not relying on others for our own security. Our Hankamrata doctrin really take into account and its in our DNA already, we might strive with our own internal security but at least from outside force or teritorial claims our politicians, military, people, are all in the same page
TL has been taken into account in both diplomacy and security. Our leopard is placed close to TL, and future fighter Ska will be station around there. Again our military point of view is still in a regional balancing power doctrine, I am pretty sure this should be enough for the time being as it will send a massage to chinese govt about our stand on TL situation.
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New KCR-60M Vessels Highlight Indonesia’s Naval Capabilities
The steel-cutting ceremony for the fast attack crafts put the Southeast Asian state’s navy back in the headlines.
By Prashanth Parameswaran
August 07, 2019
Last week, Indonesia held another steel-cutting ceremony for two more of its fast attack crafts. The scheduled event marked another advance for Jakarta in pursuit of its naval modernization in spite of challenges that are expected to continue as President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo embarks on his second term in office.
As I have noted before in these pages and elsewhere, Indonesia has long been engaged in an effort to strengthen the country’s maritime capabilities in recognition of the sobering reality that it needs more vessels and aircraft to fully monitor what is the world’s second longest coastline. That has continued under Jokowi, who just secured a second term in office earlier this year.
One of the classes of vessels that has been in the spotlight in this respect is the guided missile fast attack craft, an effort that has been undertaken with the help of Indonesian companies including state-owned shipbuilder PT PAL. While these have already begun to be produced, Indonesian defense officials have also signaled that Jakarta will need many more such vessels for its future ambitions.
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Last month, Indonesia took officially took delivery of its fourth KCR-60M fast attack craft in a commissioning ceremony that was held in Surabaya and attended by top Indonesian defense officials, including Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu.
Last week, this aspect of Indonesia’s naval capabilities was in the headlines with progress on two more fast attack craft. PT PAL held a steel-cutting ceremony for two more KCR-60M fast attack craft that were ordered for the Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL), which together are said to cost around 1.6 trillion Indonesian rupiah ($112 million).
The steel for the vessels was cut at a ceremony on August 2 at PT PAL facilities in Surabaya, which was attended by officials and key personnel. Per local media reports, in remarks at the event, PT PAL director Budiman Saleh noted that the new vessels, which constitute the fifth and sixth within the current class of vessels, were part of a broader effort by Indonesia to continue to improve its platforms over time.
While the fifth and sixth vessels are based on the same general design features of the previous vessels, Saleh said that they would be equipped with more sophisticated technology relative to their predecessors. As of now, existing timelines see the vessels expected to be completed by May 2022 and subsequently delivered to the TNI-AL.
https://thediplomat.com/2019/08/new...ljyV5l3RaLMPWSLAXjiGF53qdqbu--RuAYrWzRf-ZqvKk
The steel-cutting ceremony for the fast attack crafts put the Southeast Asian state’s navy back in the headlines.
By Prashanth Parameswaran
August 07, 2019
Last week, Indonesia held another steel-cutting ceremony for two more of its fast attack crafts. The scheduled event marked another advance for Jakarta in pursuit of its naval modernization in spite of challenges that are expected to continue as President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo embarks on his second term in office.
As I have noted before in these pages and elsewhere, Indonesia has long been engaged in an effort to strengthen the country’s maritime capabilities in recognition of the sobering reality that it needs more vessels and aircraft to fully monitor what is the world’s second longest coastline. That has continued under Jokowi, who just secured a second term in office earlier this year.
One of the classes of vessels that has been in the spotlight in this respect is the guided missile fast attack craft, an effort that has been undertaken with the help of Indonesian companies including state-owned shipbuilder PT PAL. While these have already begun to be produced, Indonesian defense officials have also signaled that Jakarta will need many more such vessels for its future ambitions.
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Last month, Indonesia took officially took delivery of its fourth KCR-60M fast attack craft in a commissioning ceremony that was held in Surabaya and attended by top Indonesian defense officials, including Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu.
Last week, this aspect of Indonesia’s naval capabilities was in the headlines with progress on two more fast attack craft. PT PAL held a steel-cutting ceremony for two more KCR-60M fast attack craft that were ordered for the Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL), which together are said to cost around 1.6 trillion Indonesian rupiah ($112 million).
The steel for the vessels was cut at a ceremony on August 2 at PT PAL facilities in Surabaya, which was attended by officials and key personnel. Per local media reports, in remarks at the event, PT PAL director Budiman Saleh noted that the new vessels, which constitute the fifth and sixth within the current class of vessels, were part of a broader effort by Indonesia to continue to improve its platforms over time.
While the fifth and sixth vessels are based on the same general design features of the previous vessels, Saleh said that they would be equipped with more sophisticated technology relative to their predecessors. As of now, existing timelines see the vessels expected to be completed by May 2022 and subsequently delivered to the TNI-AL.
https://thediplomat.com/2019/08/new...ljyV5l3RaLMPWSLAXjiGF53qdqbu--RuAYrWzRf-ZqvKk
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In Indonesia, the regulation enforces TNI to use as many as possible domestic products like rifles, small arms, ammunition from PT.Pindad and so the order is guaranteed while in Philippines; Government Arsenal ( their Pindad like ) must compete againts private vendors in open tender so no law regulates state owned enterprise arms procurement by state apparatus.Btw i never heard form turkish media that they are pks brother imho. Likely many Indonesian media or maybe pks fans say they are related to akp imho
If you or your relative get YTB scholarship likely you didnt involved with PKS or any kind but if you get study invitation from another source maybe yes you will involved in pks (my friend's father pks member get scholarship but usually in socio-politic) or you study in Turkey but from an agnecy some of them likely or not (sorry ane jelasinnya pke bahasa, ko jdi bingung :v kadang ada yang nawarin kuliah d turki dgn harga murah, nah agensi ini kalo ane cek2 kadang ada post nya yg mirip ama fb fans erdogan idk kdg i see some post in fans erdogan also related ttg agensi tsb jualan jasa pendidikan turki)
Ph army have good infantry gear (imho)
As i see ph marine in marawi they use kevlar etc
As i know philipines have good small arms industries some of their pistol exported to USA
So maybe philipina have "infantry stronk doktrin?
Btw if we saw many news many indonesian compny has invested in Timles. Telkom pertamina
Btw why i see many pakistani user use emoji frequntly while Indonesian didnt kwkwkjw
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Imho if like that it will make a comptitive market right?
Btw ph have gun culture so i think 11 12 with us condition so there is many choice for weapon
While Indonesia didnt have gun culture so there is only one local govt owned arm and ammo manufacture
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What about pakistani? Yeah they are very gun cultured :v
(Ask them maybe
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That basically " killing " their own GA with AFP high rank officers usually opt for imported rifles, arms, etc. Anything which actually local industries can produceImho if like that it will make a comptitive market right?
Btw ph have gun culture so i think 11 12 with us condition so there is many choice for weapon
While Indonesia didnt have gun culture so there is only one local govt owned arm and ammo manufacture
.....
What about pakistani? Yeah they are very gun cultured :v
(Ask them maybe
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