Indonesia Defence Forum

[Nike]

Well in the long run duterte is far far dangerous because he had turn the pacific what usually be an american private lake into a dangerous waters for american ships by being hostile to us troops and bowing down to china. Who knows when duterte will give licence for china to station a2/ad system in phil shores. I mean why wouldnt he

He dont dare to cross the red lines, especially when Philippine army itself is very American centric

 

[Cromwell]

What baffles me is why the PH top military officers army havent launched any coups towards duterte lol. Normally we would have seen a CIA backed coup whenever one country decide to let slip of US influence.

The problems with them is their false hope that someday someone will rescue them not saving themself

Because US deemed Duterte is not as dangerous as Erdogan, he just a coward and big bullshit talker and only dangerous for his own people



They lose control of two islets in South China sea through South Vietnamese treacherous acts, and thats case kinda baffled me. If this happened against Indonesia we will retaliate by using forces if needed


https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/01/04/893091/vietnam-puts-supermarket-occupied-pugad-island

Sure we do Indonesia will send the entire forces we have to retrieve the situation. The problems with Philippines is they have false hope that someone will rescue them instead of solving the case by themself. Indonesia in other way has been always made into thinking that we ourself must solve the problems we have, not someone else but we ourself

 

[HellFireIndo]

Filipino loves freebies, everything free they will take them all. They're no arrogant and pompous people, actually my Fb account has more Filipino friends than my fellow kins Indonesian. I have this friend of mine, ex servicemen of Philippines Navy who has physician daughter. He said he was once served on thisView attachment 572864
BRP Sierra Madre LST kept on service and stranded in disputed zone. He said he willing to serve his country and stayed in the rotting rusty boat. Kind of sad thinking how unfortunate they're now in this South China Sea dispute, cheated, fooled by various nations including their neighbour. The more i interact with them and reading the news; it's only them who accepts the way we uphold our law regarding illegal fishing and frank is Indonesia probably has been few nations honest enough to them. Their situation is made even worse by poor Rodrigo Duterte leadership on handling this

Philippines is indeed the "best" direct neighbor of ours, where we have almost no dispute with. But the way their people look at things, there's something "wrong" about it, like, they always sees themselves as helpless and needing help from "seniors" at all times. The difference in mindset between us and them is surprisingly pretty contrasting, like when we wanna have more military industrial capability, we wanted the government to invest to the like of PAL, Pindad and DI, make our industry "more Indonesian" and make it better (more capable) time after time. But they take the exact opposite route, they wanted foreign companies to take over their defunct industries like the recent Austal takover of their shipyard....my question is simply : why? isn't it better if Philippines just do things like the rest of the globe? to build up it's own capability and to not keep relying on other countries?

 

[Raduga]

Philippines is indeed the "best" direct neighbor of ours, where we have almost no dispute with. But the way their people look at things, there's something "wrong" about it, like, they always sees themselves as helpless and needing help from "seniors" at all times. The difference in mindset between us and them is surprisingly pretty contrasting, like when we wanna have more military industrial capability.

We wanted the government to invest to the like of PAL, Pindad and DI, make our industry "more Indonesian" and make it better (more capable) time after time. But they take the exact opposite route, they wanted foreign companies to take over their defunct industries like the recent Austal takover of their shipyard....my question is simply : why? isn't it better if Philippines just do things like the rest of the globe? to build up it's own capability and to not keep relying on other countries?

they do have capability to built a decent LCU if i remember

 

[Ruhnama]

Some people in turkish forum argue that TuAF must replace f16 with sukhoi (sukoi steronk f35 kalah) lol
If this hapoen can we get that hibah alutsista from them kwkwkk

Or maybe some people argue that they must use f16 with Sukhoi fighter

Maybe in here familiar with that

 

[Cromwell]

Philippines is indeed the "best" direct neighbor of ours, where we have almost no dispute with. But the way their people look at things, there's something "wrong" about it, like, they always sees themselves as helpless and needing help from "seniors" at all times. The difference in mindset between us and them is surprisingly pretty contrasting, like when we wanna have more military industrial capability.

We wanted the government to invest to the like of PAL, Pindad and DI, make our industry "more Indonesian" and make it better (more capable) time after time. But they take the exact opposite route, they wanted foreign companies to take over their defunct industries like the recent Austal takover of their shipyard....my question is simply : why? isn't it better if Philippines just do things like the rest of the globe? to build up it's own capability and to not keep relying on other countries?

I had a friend who already deceased now Filipino former Secretary of Navy Roylo Gollez, well the way he discussed things with me is no the way Indonesian would do. The see our military industries growing, our military forces expands & modernised, they way we resolve illegal fishing by sinking them, how China dares not sail further south, they expect us to come to their rescue while basically doing nothing but making protests, demonstations, legal law public discussion but no real efforts.

 

[striver44]

Philippines is indeed the "best" direct neighbor of ours, where we have almost no dispute with. But the way their people look at things, there's something "wrong" about it, like, they always sees themselves as helpless and needing help from "seniors" at all times. The difference in mindset between us and them is surprisingly pretty contrasting, like when we wanna have more military industrial capability, we wanted the government to invest to the like of PAL, Pindad and DI, make our industry "more Indonesian" and make it better (more capable) time after time. But they take the exact opposite route, they wanted foreign companies to take over their defunct industries like the recent Austal takover of their shipyard....my question is simply : why? isn't it better if Philippines just do things like the rest of the globe? to build up it's own capability and to not keep relying on other countries?

They are still in the SEATO era nostalgia, they think that they are still important enough so that Daddy murica will come to the rescue whenever they screw themselves. I mean look most pinoy ive saw in the net still bragging about marcos, wtf seriously marcos?? As if he had build PH into a might superpower

 

[Cromwell]

They are still in the SEATO era nostalgia, they think that they are still important enough so that Daddy murica will come to the rescue whenever they screw themselves. I mean look most pinoy ive saw in the net still bragging about marcos, wtf seriously marcos?? As if he had build PH into a might superpower

Sure they do, just look at Maxdefense or Philippines Defense Forums page they want to raise ASEAN " NATO " like military alliance to help them. Well they're dreaming too much, political differences and constitutional issue, there's no way something like that will ever happen in Southeast Asia.

 

[Nike]

I had a friend who already deceased now Filipino former Secretary of Navy Roylo Gollez, well the way he discussed things with me is no the way Indonesian would do. The see our military industries growing, our military forces expands & modernised, they way we resolve illegal fishing by sinking them, how China dares not sail further south, they expect us to come to their rescue while basically doing nothing but making protests, demonstations, legal law public discussion but no real efforts.

Well they can be an example on how we should taking dirrection to avert such situation. Afterall we are on our own


I kinda interested on the plan to import educated person to nurture our universities and research programme , we should import people from Ukraine and if possible Turkey (as they got internal problem and Erdogan purge) as there is a lot of technology we can get from them, especially Seeker missiles, engines for rocket, TELLAR system, artillery system and so on.

 

[striver44]

Sure they do, just look at Maxdefense or Philippines Defense Forums page they want to raise ASEAN " NATO " like military alliance to help them. Well they're dreaming too much, political differences and constitutional issue, there's no way something like that will ever happen in Southeast Asia.

Talking bout maxdefense you could almost feel his frustration towards the current admin at malacanag.

 

[HellFireIndo]

They are still in the SEATO era nostalgia, they think that they are still important enough so that Daddy murica will come to the rescue whenever they screw themselves. I mean look most pinoy ive saw in the net still bragging about marcos, wtf seriously marcos?? As if he had build PH into a might superpower

*Laugh in Tu-16
In that case the Pinoys are divided into "Marcos was a god" and "Marcos was the demon himself", but both irrelevant tbh, there's nothing of any value from either side's argument, cause they keep finger pointing at each other, at a scapegoat, but not on themselves, regarding why there's this "keterpurukan" that made them got outpaced by their neighbors, there's no way such mentality will be "fixed" in the future, if the mindset is always "i am helpless, everything depends on the other person's will, so my failure is not my fault, i don't have to change anything, it's always been like this".

 

[Nike]

Look at the comments

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1012539642250026

 

[Cromwell]

Talking bout maxdefense you could almost feel his frustration towards the current admin at malacanag.

Well Duterte imprisons Senator De Lima ( opposition leader in senate ) without clear charge, dismissing Navy Chief of Staff due to differences with Bong Go ( President's right hand eversince he was a mayor ), slaughtering half of nation with Extra Judicial Killing in crusade against drug ( while Chinese druglords like Peter Liem escaped ), ordered PN & PCG not to patrol in WPS resulting their fishermen lost traditional fishing ground at hands of China, Vietnam, Taiwan name them all, and now he wants to visit China for 5th time within 3 years in office, situation is pretty much fucked up there worsened by poor reconstruction of war torned Marawi.

 

[Nike]

Well Duterte imprisons Senator De Lima ( opposition leader in senate ) without clear charge, dismissing Navy Chief of Staff due to differences with Bong Go ( President's right hand eversince he was a mayor ), slaughtering half of nation with Extra Judicial Killing in crusade against drug ( while Chinese druglords like Peter Liem escaped ), ordered PN & PCG not to patrol in WPS resulting their fishermen lost traditional fishing ground at hands of China, Vietnam, Taiwan name them all, and now he wants to visit China for 5th time within 3 years in office, situation is pretty much fucked up there worsened by poor reconstruction of war torned Marawi.

In this country all of his doing warrant impeachment

 

[Ruhnama]

Well they can be an example on how we should taking dirrection to avert such situation. Afterall we are on our own


I kinda interested on the plan to import educated person to nurture our universities and research programme , we should import people from Ukraine and if possible Turkey (as they got internal problem and Erdogan purge) as there is a lot of technology we can get from them, especially Seeker missiles, engines for rocket, TELLAR system, artillery system and so on.

Nice we must take turkish professional in alutsista.
We have sent many student that invited by turkish scholarship. Now this time to take the professional now lol

Btw Turkish govt say they invite many foreign student to study in turkey to overcome brain drain in turkey. They invite student from pakistan, syria indonesia etc to resolve brain drain. Hmmmm how they can do that??