Indonesia Defence Forum

[Carlosa]

fregat gepard 3.9 mereka ga punya medium sam, yg punya gepardnya russia.
tactical datalink nasional ga punya.
BMS ga punya.
MLRS modern kek astros MK6 ga punya.
satelit pengintai minimal kek A2 dan A3 ga punya.
sekelas caesar ga punya.
perisai kek oerlikon skyshield ga punya.
AEW ga punya.
ATGM modern( cuma matador) dikit.
heli serbu modern ga punya ( cuma mi 24A JADUL)
pesawat ASW modern ga punya .

menurut gw ,member vietnam itu goblok iya memang itu kok aslinya
gw pernah nulis ke goblok kannya dan HOAX nya member vietnam yg namanya @Viet ,dan HOAX nya @Carlosa tentang vietnam mempunyai caesar 36 biji .. yg aslinya masih akan dan akan itu pun jumlah pengadaannya 18 biji bukan 36 biji.
di SSC threadnya audrey mulai page 216.


chauvinist sih semua negara begitu ,tapi yang realistis dong .. ga usah ngeHOAX kelees. dan gw ga suka ..jijik member vietnam pamer drone mesin rotax yg diaku 4000km padahal belum pernah sekalipun di test mencapai angka 4000km kerja sama dg belarus .. negara yg belum pernah membuat MALE , harfang prancis itu mesinnya sama dg vietnam tapi operasional hariannya 1000 km lho ,kerja sama dengan israel dan pernah di test afrika prancis 5000km bukan cuma omdo ..
terus pamer rudal lisensi kct15 .. itu sampai kapan gambarnya itu lagi itu lagi .. kok ga pernah ada gambar uji coba meluncur gitu .. sombong nya naudubillah , booster,engine ,propelan,radar homing itu semua dari russia ,kalo pun diproduksi itu kek membeli tapi ngrakit dirumah .. WOW nya dimana ? cuma ngrakit ? semua negara bisa kelees ,asal ente belinya jumlah banyak ,TOT ngerakit rudal oke terkendali.

If you want to insult, do it in English kid, don't hide behind the language.

@Hu Songshan @Horus @waz

Can you do something about the widespread use of Indonesian language in this thread? I mentioned it a couple of times, but they always disregard it which is a lack of respect for the non Indonesian speakers.
This is supposed to be an English only forum, but you can easily see that every single page of this thread has multiple postings in Indonesian language. It has become endemic. Too many members here simply don't care about the forum rules.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Progress for SIGMA Frigate #2

Progress for SSV #2

Indonesian president pushes to remove procurement agents
Indonesian president Joko Widodo has called on his Ministry of Defence (MoD) to ensure that it procures military equipment through government-to-government arrangements to support efforts towards transparency and accountability.

Underscoring the problem that Indonesia still faces with procurement agents - despite years of trying to eradicate their influence - Widodo said that middlemen involved in the process of purchasing defence equipment direct from industry were pushing up the costs of military acquisitions.

"To strengthen national defence the weapons procurement process should be between governments directly," Widodo said in a Cabinet meeting on 20 July according to state-run news agency Antara.

http://www.janes.com/article/62444/indonesian-president-pushes-to-remove-procurement-agents

 

[faries]

Great Potential, 300 Pantura Fishermen's Boat Ready Moved Into Natuna

Natuna Islands region is considered to have Natural Resources (SDA) sea very rich. Potential fish in Natuna reached 1.1 million tons and a small number of fishermen who make a lot of countries that do illegal fishing in the region.

Tackling this, the government plans to move 300 fishing boats on the North Coast of Java (coast) for fishing in Natuna Islands.

"The stock assessment conducted in 2015 was 1.1 million tonnes. Small (number of fishers) only about 3,000 fishermen. The plan excercise numbers around 300 vessels. So if one boat there were 10 people means 3,000 fishermen, if the ship 15 it will be 4,500 fisherman, "said Acting Director General of Capture Fisheries, Zulficar Mochtar, at Mina Bahari III Building, Jakarta, Thursday (21/07/2016).

Fishermen who shifted to the Natuna waters are fishermen who used to use the ship cantrang. They were transferred also through several processes before finally shifted to Natuna.

"The ship ex cantrang so not the cantrang taken there, so we measure the past, discussions with fishermen remeasured government, there was an agreement she was ready to sail there, just deh so there are some processes," said Zulficar.

This fishing is targeted to sail in Natuna the end of 2016.

"Before the end of the year (operating in Natuna), 2016 short they should have been able to. So this is what we have to get there," said Zulficar.

http://finance.detik.com/read/2016/...-kapal-nelayan-pantura-siap-digeser-ke-natuna

 

[rondo.royal2]

ban aja id gw yg penting ... gw ngomong apa adanya dan itu realita .. silahkan . siapapun.
masuk thread vietnam itu berasa masuk jakartagreater .
yang marah itu kan ketahuan HOAX nya ..

sorry gw agak frontal tapi gw bilang apa adanya kalau @Viet dan @Carlosa itu suka nge HOAX .

kalau pun masuk ke thread vietnam diharap cek google.. takutnya hoax ,perhatikan @Viet kalo kasih berita pasti tidak disertai link .. asal kesimpulan sendiri ..

silahkan kunjungi forum skyscapercity thread nya audrey page 216 , gw tulis hoax hoax @Viet dan @Carlosa

cepet ban ID gw .. wong ini buat id cuma pingin ngomong uneg uneg .. kesampaian lega rasanya.

 

[Carlosa]

ban aja id gw yg penting ... gw ngomong apa adanya dan itu realita .. silahkan . siapapun.
masuk thread vietnam itu berasa masuk jakartagreater .
yang marah itu kan ketahuan HOAX nya ..

sorry gw agak frontal tapi gw bilang apa adanya kalau @Viet dan @Carlosa itu suka nge HOAX .

kalau pun masuk ke thread vietnam diharap cek google.. takutnya hoax ,perhatikan @Viet kalo kasih berita pasti tidak disertai link .. asal kesimpulan sendiri ..

silahkan kunjungi forum skyscapercity thread nya audrey page 216 , gw tulis hoax hoax @Viet dan @Carlosa

cepet ban ID gw .. wong ini buat id cuma pingin ngomong uneg uneg .. kesampaian lega rasanya.

@Hu Songshan @Horus @waz

Can you do something about the widespread use of Indonesian language in this thread? I mentioned it a couple of times, but they always disregard it which is a lack of respect for the non Indonesian speakers.
This is supposed to be an English only forum, but you can easily see that every single page of this thread has multiple postings in Indonesian language. It has become endemic. Too many members here simply don't care about the forum rules.

 

[anas_nurhafidz]

LPD and Anoa

 

[faries]

Military presence on merchant vessels prohibited: Navy commander

Jakarta | Wed, July 20 2016 | 08:47 pm

On guard – Navy chief Adm. Ade Supandi (right) speaks at an event at the Navy’s Western Fleet headquarters on Jl.Gunung Sahari, Central Jakarta, on Tuesday. (Kompas.com/Kristian Erdianto)

Navy chief Adm.Ade Supandi has said he is not certain the government’s plan to provide security involving armed military personnel on board coal vessels traveling in areas prone to piracy can be implemented.

He said sea security operations for trading vessels on their routes to destination areas was regulated by the International Maritime Organization (IMO).

In prevailing rules, the commander said, there were articles that prohibited the placement of military personnel on merchant vessels, although some countries allowed the use of weapons on board.

“Actually, the security of merchant vessels sailing on the sea is stipulated in IMO regulations. Several rules don’t allow the presence of military personnel on board, although several countries provide security through the equipping of weapons [for crew members] on board,” Ade said as quoted by kompas.comin Central Jakarta on Tuesday.

Citing the IMO, Ade further said, it was only armed civilian security personnel that were allowed to provide security on merchant vessels. The number of armed security personnel was also limited and monitored tightly, he went on.

Involving military personnel in providing security on merchant vessels would only lead to unhealthy competition among shipping companies. He said one option the government could take to protect Indonesian trading vessels against piracy was to allow the Navy to escort vessels as far as the sea boarder of their destination country, from where an escort from the destination country could be arranged.

Coal boats and other merchant vessels should also take a safe route decided by authorities to avoid acts of piracy, such as ones recently perpetrated by Abu Sayyaf militants on Indonesian vessels in southern Philippine waters.

Earlier, Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu said the government would maximize the role of the military in the use of sea marshals to provide security on coal ships sailing to the Philippines. The Navy would work together with its Philippine counterpart to escort the vessels. He claimed the Philippine government had agreed to allow the Indonesian Military to enter its territory for escort purposes. (ebf)

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/...rchant-vessels-prohibited-navy-commander.html

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Highlight for near future procurement (MEF 2 on the right track)
- $780 million for "frigate"
- $220 million for 3rd SIGMA light frigate
- $1.6 billion for diesel submarine
- $1.14 billion for F5 replacement

"frigate" apakah yang dimaksud? Ayo list disini calon frigate yang mungkin diincer...

 

[nufix]

Highlight for near future procurement (MEF 2 right on the track)
- $780 million for "frigate"
- $220 million for 3rd SIGMA light frigate
- $1.6 billion for diesel submarine
- $1.14 billion for F5 replacement

"frigate" apakah yang dimaksud? Ayo list disini calon frigate yang mungkin diincer...

I am more interested in the sub procurement budget because we can guess what kind of frigate the TNI is going to acquire. Are we going to add more subs beside those 3 coming from SK? Considering that this budget plan is for 2015-2019 and the 3 SK sub deals have been sealed in 2011.

 

[initial_d]

For me, it's better that we add more chang bogo class be it locally made or korean made, or even better U214 from germany, but never, i said this again never for russian sub, especially kilo class
Btw, with 1.6 billion us$ we can have 5 chang bogo class right, that it self a plus in my eyes

 

[nufix]

For me, it's better that we add more chang bogo class be it locally made or korean made, or even better U214 from germany, but never, i said this again never for russian sub, especially kilo class

The Russians suck at after sales services, our Sukhois must be flown back to Russia or Ukraine whenever they have major overhauls. The cumulative cost of maintaining them is higher than buying the same product with slightly more expensive pricetags from NATO and its allied countries.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

I am more interested in the sub procurement budget because we can guess what kind of frigate the TNI is going to acquire. Are we going to add more subs beside those 3 coming from SK? Considering that this budget plan is for 2015-2019 and the 3 SK sub deals have been sealed in 2011.

The most talked 'Iver Huitfeldt' is only around $350 million and we have $780 million to burned. Are we gonna get 2 units?

Pretty sure we'll get more subs. The plan require 12 units in 2024, can be another Chang Bogo or even Type 214/212 sub with the same TOT scheme from turkey/germany. They lost to SoKor on the previous deal.

Btw, with 1.6 billion us$ we can have 5 chang bogo class right, that it self a plus in my eyes

Hard bargain, that's a plus for Chang Bogo.

 

[nufix]

The most talked 'Iver Huitfeldt' is only around $350 and we have $780 million to burn. Are we gonna get 2 units?
Pretty sure will get more subs, can be another Chang Bogo or Type 214/212 sub with the same TOT scheme from turkey/germany. They lost to SoKor on the last deal.

Maybe 350 mils represent only the hulls and its radar, more like 220 mils for PKR Sigma 10514s that come without weapons. My calculation could reach 450 to 500 mils per full-packaged Iver Huitfeldt. But yeah, considering that our govt loves buying things FFBNW, we could argue that we are getting 2 Ivers with that budget.

Well my hope is that we are getting Type 214, 212 is nanggung haha. 1.6 bills is surely bigger than 1.1 bills for the 3 CBGs, I wish we can move on to bigger platforms.

 

[waz]

ban aja id gw yg penting ... gw ngomong apa adanya dan itu realita .. silahkan . siapapun.
masuk thread vietnam itu berasa masuk jakartagreater .
yang marah itu kan ketahuan HOAX nya ..

sorry gw agak frontal tapi gw bilang apa adanya kalau @Viet dan @Carlosa itu suka nge HOAX .

kalau pun masuk ke thread vietnam diharap cek google.. takutnya hoax ,perhatikan @Viet kalo kasih berita pasti tidak disertai link .. asal kesimpulan sendiri ..

silahkan kunjungi forum skyscapercity thread nya audrey page 216 , gw tulis hoax hoax @Viet dan @Carlosa

cepet ban ID gw .. wong ini buat id cuma pingin ngomong uneg uneg .. kesampaian lega rasanya.

Please speak in English my friend. As per forum rules, we only allow writing in a specific language on a dedicated thread. This thread is in written English.
Thank you.

 

[Nike]

I am more interested in the sub procurement budget because we can guess what kind of frigate the TNI is going to acquire. Are we going to add more subs beside those 3 coming from SK? Considering that this budget plan is for 2015-2019 and the 3 SK sub deals have been sealed in 2011.

Kapal selam ocean going dari Russia, sudah punya VLS

BTW, love to see more IFV and MBT like Marder and Leopard 2 came again to Indonesia, 150 million US dollar is not small sums either, we can get tonnes of Marder 2A3 with that money. At least we can catching up the Singaporean IFV number and getting a lot of our Infantry units converted into Mechanized brigades

credit to alfin2112 @kaskus.co.id

500 Indonesian soldiers conduct joint exercise with Malaysian counterparts
Kamis, 21 Juli 2016 19:38 WIB | 161 Views

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Some 500 Indonesian soldiers will take part in a joint exercise with their Malaysian counterparts in Tanjung Gelang, Kuantan Pahang, Malaysia from July 21 to August 3.

Deputy assistant for operations to the Indonesian military (TNI) chief, Vice Admiral Hardjo Susmoro, representing assistant for operations to the TNI chief, Major General Agung Ridhianto, bade farewell to the 500 soldiers in a military ceremony at the Jakarta International Container Terminal (JICT)s pier in North Jakarta on Thursday.

The joint exercise, dubbed Latgabma Malindo Darsasa-9 AB/2016, is being conducted under the theme of Combined Coordination Center (CCC) and is aimed at enhancing cooperation, maintaining mutual understanding and increasing professionalism of the two countries soldiers in an effort to create a disaster mitigation strategy along their borders.

Ridhianto added that the TNI should continue to cooperate with relevant agencies as well as with military forces of other countries, particularly neighboring Malaysia, to continue to ensure and enhance their level of preparedness and capability in mitigating disaster and providing humanitarian assistance.

"As such, the TNI will be able to play its role in providing solutions to problems faced by the two countries which are prone to natural disasters," he stated.

He asked the TNI soldiers to emphasize zero accident approach while carrying out all activities related to the joint exercise, to always ensure security of the self and to guard the equipment and instruments entrusted to them.

"Show the host your discipline, spirit, cooperation, solidity and interoperability among soldiers of the three TNI forces," he urged.(*)


http://www.antaranews.com/en/news/1...ct-joint-exercise-with-malaysian-counterparts

Navy HQ agrees to upgrade Nabire Naval Post to naval base
Rabu, 20 Juli 2016 22:04 WIB | 977 Views

Personnels of Indonesian Navy march before the military ships in Indonesian Navy Military Sealift Command's headquarter, in Jakarta, last year. (ANTARA FOTO/Sigid Kurniawan)

Jayapura, Papua (ANTARA News) - The Indonesian Navy (TNI AL) Headquarters has agreed to upgrade a naval post in Nabire in Papua province to the level of a naval base, Commander of the Jayapura Naval Base X, Brigadir General Heru Kusmanto said.

Preparations to upgrade the naval post to a naval base have been started, he stated here on Wednesday, adding, "Several personnel have been sent to Nabire and they have begun to prepare everything."

However, no exact date has been set to inaugurate the naval base, he added.

Asked about plans to also upgrade the Sarmi naval post into a naval base, he disclosed that his side had originally proposed to upgrade both the two naval posts. However, the TNI AL Headquarters only agreed to upgrade the Nabire naval post.

The Sarmi naval post will likely be upgraded after the inauguration of the Nabire naval base, he informed, adding that Merauke and Sorong naval bases, which previously belonged to the jurisdiction of the Jayapura naval base, have been already inaugurated.

The Jayapura naval base X itself oversees the north waters of Papua, he said.

http://www.antaranews.com/en/news/105811/navy-hq-agrees-to-upgrade-nabire-naval-post-to-naval-base

Weapons must be purchased as per need: President
Rabu, 20 Juli 2016 21:09 WIB | 781 Views

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - President Joko Widodo stated here on Wednesday that defense system main equipment (alutsista) purchase should be based upon needs and not desires.

"Inputs from all branches of the armed forces - the navy, the army and the airforce - as well as the commander of the defense forces (TNI), the minister of defense and others must be taken into account so that we are sure what we need to buy. This way, we will end up buying only what we really need and not as per our desires," he said at a limited meeting on alutsista at his office.

President Joko Widodo also added that there needs to be transparency in the purchase of alutsista. "Therefore, the defense industry law must be implemented in every decision to carry out purchase of alutsista."

"This must be accorded priority so that the development of national defense industry really leads to self-sufficiency when it comes to our security and defense equipment," he stressed.

He hoped this meeting would focus on ways to fulfill the minimum defense requirement (KPM) by 2024.

"By 2019, the framework of TNI modernization should have brought in line with the 2024 KPM strategic plan," he assured.

Under the 2014 KPM, the army should have heavy military hardware such as medium-sized tanks, attack helicopters and special infantry weapons.

The navy, meanwhile, must have equipment such as a sub-marine, a surface warship and a maritime surveillance system to secure locations that have conflict potentials, he stated.

The air force, on the other hand, must be strengthened with strategic hardware such as fighter jets, heavy transport aircraft, missile defense system and radar system, he explained.(*)

http://www.antaranews.com/en/news/105810/weapons-must-be-purchased-as-per-need-president

Bahas Pengadaan AlutsitaKasum TNI Laksamana Madya TNI Didit Ashaf (kanan) berdiskusi dengan WakaPolri Komjen Pol Budi Gunawan (kedua kanan), Wakasau Marsda TNI Hadiyan Sumintaatmadja (kedua kiri), Laksamana Muda TNI Arie Henrycus Sembiring (kiri) saat Rapat Terbatas membahas Alat Utama Sistim Pertahanan (Alutsista) yang dipimpin Presiden Joko Widodo di Kantor Presiden, Jakarta, Rabu (20/7/2016). Presiden menegaskan dalam pengadaan alutsista RI harus mengarah pada kemandirian pemenuhan alat pertahanan dan keamanan, alih teknologi, transparansi anggaran, serta memperhitungkan biaya daur hidup alutsista dalam 20 tahun ke depan. (ANTARA/Yudhi Mahatma)

Bahas Pengadaan AlutsitaPresiden Joko Widodo (keempat kanan) memimpin Rapat Terbatas membahas Alat Utama Sistim Pertahanan (Alutsista) bersama Menteri Kabinet Kerja di Kantor Presiden, Jakarta, Rabu (20/7/2016). Presiden menegaskan dalam pengadaan alutsista RI harus mengarah pada kemandirian pemenuhan alat pertahanan dan keamanan, alih teknologi, transparansi anggaran, serta memperhitungkan biaya daur hidup alutsista dalam 20 tahun ke depan. (ANTARA FOTO/Yudhi Mahatma)

Bahas Pengadaan AlutsitaPresiden Joko Widodo (kanan) didampingi Menko Polhukam Luhut Pandjaitan (kedua kanan), Menko Perekonomian Darmin Nasution (ketiga kanani) serta Menko Maritim dan Sumber Daya Rizal Ramli (tengah) memimpin Rapat Terbatas membahas Alat Utama Sistim Pertahanan (Alutsista) di Kantor Presiden, Jakarta, Rabu (20/7/2016). Presiden menegaskan dalam pengadaan alutsista RI harus mengarah pada kemandirian pemenuhan alat pertahanan dan keamanan, alih teknologi, transparansi anggaran, serta memperhitungkan biaya daur hidup alutsista dalam 20 tahun ke depan.(ANTARA FOTO/Yudhi Mahatma)

hmm time to burst some Vietnamese dreams ......

150 trillion for 5 year defense procurement programme,