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Jokowi has arrived in Germany yesterday on 26 June 2022, he will attend G7 meeting and also will go to Ukraine and Russia after that to meet both Zelensky and Vladimir Putin. On the video of Jokowi arrival on German, he also met with Indonesian citizens living in German, including our university students studying in German,

 
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Police Anti Terrorist Unit (Detasemen 88),

The small but very mobile unit is part of Police Paramilitary unit, Brimob, that has 45.000 soldiers.


Indonesian police paramilitary unit, Brimob. According to the grand plan, the corps will be expanded into having close to 100.000 troops from current 45.000 troops. Indonesian Police budget is relatively similar with our Armed Force budget (combination of Army, Navy, Air Force)


Just curious isn't Densus 88 is already detached from Brimob several years ago? Their members nowadays came and selected across Polri's unit right? not only Brimob? i heard even they recruited from Polantas unit as well
 
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Just curious isn't Densus 88 is already detached from Brimob several years ago? Their members nowadays came and selected across Polri's unit right? not only Brimob? i heard even they recruited from Polantas unit as well

I dont know, but possibility to get another recruit beside Brimob corps is from reserse unit (intelligence unit) in our Police department.

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G 7 meeting in Germany June 2022

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Jokowi and German Chancellor, Olaf Scholz

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Indonesia has close relationship with all of the big powers of Europe, for Western Europe Indonesia has close relationship with :

1. France

A. It is shown by defense industry cooperation between PT PAL Indonesia and Naval Group for 2 submarines complete production in Indonesia+ Lithium Battery transfer of technology if the deal in Scorpene submarines worth of 2.7 billion USD is sealed ( currently under MOU in February 2022 and our Planning Minister has put 2.7 billion USD foreign loan back submarine acquisition program in blue book (planned program for final Jokowi period in 2022-2024).

B. Cooperation between PT LEN Industry who lead Indonesia Defense ID holding with Thales from France in radar development and radar acquisition.

C. Indonesia and France become strategic partner since 2021

D. 6 Rafale order


2. Britain

A. It is shown by preferable trade agreement between two countries that near complete
B. There is Partnership Road Map being signed in the beginning 2022
C. UK base shipbuilder will help PT PAL Indonesia to build frigate completely in Indonesia
D. Britain Foreign Minister said Indonesia is the only strategic partner within ASEAN that she hope able to withstand China influence and aggressive mode in SCS.

She stated the statement in Lowy Institute office in Australia as Lowy Institute is the think thank that has deliberate intention to lower Indonesia influence and geopolitical weight by their Asia power ranking calculation that put Indonesia below Singapore in term of power and put Indonesia behind Bangladesh in term of technology ( just see Asia Power index )


3. Germany

A. Indonesia has close relationship with German since Habibie leave German in 1976 and become the mastermind of Indonesia SOE strategic companies.
B 103 Second hand Leopard MBT and around 70 marders IFV acquisition which is very cheap compared to buying even new middle weigh tanks (during SBY administration / 2004-2014)

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Side Meeting during G 7 meeting, Germany 2022, with Western power countries




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Side meeting with non European countries


 
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Jokowi go to Ukraine using train from Polandia


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For Alman Helvast :

1. Mirage 2000 is not intended for Rafale transition according to my calculation, but as stop gap measure as the plane can be replaced by KF21/IFX later inshaAllah.


2. Our F 5 squadron is already in dire situation while 6 Rafale new planes already under real contract will only be delivered around the year 2027, even the down payment to activate the contract is possibly not yet given by Finance Ministry.

With 14 Mirage 2000 that are multi role fighter and can shoot BVR missile which also can be delivered much much faster than our 6 Rafale order, the decision is quite clever and strategic IMO. Particularly by considering the Mirage 2000 will possibly come with all of weapons like BVR and VWR missiles while those 6 Rafales being bought will be delivered without weapons due to second hand Mirage 2000 will be much cheaper than new Rafale.

3. You cannot say those MOU in planned acquisition of 42 new Rafale by Minister of Defense (where 6 of them have already been in real contract) hasnt be amended. The term "amendment" is used more on real contract, so the term should be called as contract amendment, while those 36 Rafale planned acquisition is still in MOU level, not real contract. Even for real contract, it can be not effective forever just like what happen with several contracts being done by our Defense Minister to order 11 SU 35 and Chang Bogo submarine second batch due to not paying the down payment.

4. What is important is how much money being put in Blue Book for MRCA acquisition. Actually those 1.1 billion USD foreign loan backed MRCA acquisition program intended for 2020-2024 period has already been used by 6 new Rafale order. Having another MRCA program around the same figure in blue book for Jokowi last period is already a miracle, despite it is not yet passing green book, PSP, and MRP level yet. I expect 14 Mirage 2000 acquisition is the one that will be financed by MRCA acquisition program where the program has already been put in blue book by Minister of planning.
 
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Jokowi has arrived in Kiev, Ukraine. Here we can see some Indonesian soldiers look ( part of 39 soldiers who accompany Jokowi in Ukraine visit).

They are waiting in Ukraine while guards accompanying Jokowi in German and Poland are only few personnel with limited armament ( jacket and pistols inside)

 
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Jokowi visited Irpin city, accompanied by Irpin Major.

 
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Several Indonesian soldiers spotted during Jokowi visit

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Ukraine soldier with AK 47 is also guarding the President, in the back is Indonesian soldier
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Indonesian soldiers with brown camouflage, most probably present in second ring

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Ukraine soldier spotted here

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Jokowi visited Hospital in Kyiv and brings some medical aids for the hospital need

 
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Intermezo

Jokowi second son, Kaesang, and his girl friend
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Indonesian soldiers are seen in Ukraine during Jokowi visit. In total there are 39 Indonesian soldiers deployed in Ukraine.

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Indonesia is reported to have big interest to acquire 14 second hand Mirage 2000 from Gulf nations.

If we indeed buy second hand 14 Mirage 2000 from two Gulf countries, so it means the plan intended to buy another 6-8 Rafale within Jokowi final term (2020-2024) will likely be converted to buy those 14 second hand Mirage 2000 where it could include the infrastructure and some weapons as as well. The weapon is likely similar with both Rafale and KF21 planes ( Meteor and IRIS-T)

I see by this decision, our planner will likely have focus on KF21/IFX program as those second hand Mirages will just fly for another 10-15 years. This mean this is kind of stop gap measure as we have ongoing KF21/IFX program which is so far progress as plan. Buying another 6-8 Rafale maybe is also not seen as enough as it likely to come without adequate weapons accompanying the order and also current situation to fill those F 5 squadron with some MRCA is so urgent to be done.

The soft loan maybe given by both Qatar and UAE. Bappenas only approve another 1.2 billion USD foreign loan backed MRCA program until Jokowi administration is over, they dont name what plane to use that foreign loan, so maybe the loan will be intended with these second hand Mirage 2000, plus weapon, training and possible the loan used on this Mirage order program much smaller than those 1.2 billion USD foreign loan approved already in blue book of our Planning Minister, despite it still needs another screening until the program is included in Green book, PSP, and finally there is RMP (budget allocation to start the program as down payment) from Finance Minister

Threat analysist

Any way, we are unlikely to face any kind of war for the next 20 years. China is not stupid and prefer play long game strategy, they are unlikely to assert their claim in SCS by force. Any way China understand SCS should be kept open for trade route and current status quo in SCS has bring peace that benefit China trade and economy.

Our disputed SCS region is also small and sit in the end of SCS, China will of course play divide and et empera if they some how decided to use force to assert their claim, it means they will target Vietnamese and Philippine first while they will play soft with Indonesia. China will likely want Indonesia as their friend either instead of enemy, due to our strategic location, future potential, and the fact that China is basically alone in SCS geopolitics.

China also depends on our coal despite they are the largest coal producers on earth, our nickel and our strategy to be world player in EV battery value chain can also make big country such as China prefer to be our friends rather than enemy. The benefit and loss calculation will likely expect China to prevent bad relationship to happen between our nations over such a small disputed region in SCS which is also farthest SCS region from mainland China.

China possible military action is Taiwan, not SCS, but with what happen with Russia Today with so many sanction on them by Western powers, China will think even more Today if they want to invade Taiwan since they still hold huge USD reserve in the form of US Treasury obligation that could be freeze by USA if they attack Taiwan. China's holdings of US Treasury bonds is 1.039 trillion USD at the end of March 2022.

CCP of China has also been known as very careful power for decades and has elites who wants current status quo to persist, either in SCS and also Taiwan, because once again I repeat my statement, that China is actually benefiting with current status quo on those disputed region. Changing that status quo can bring meaningful economic and geopolitics damage to China where economy is basically what current CCP has in order to preserve their domestic power within China.

The CCP party system is also unlikely to produce leader like Vladimir Putin that can prioritize something outside economy when he makes decision like current invasion on Ukraine. CCP is also power that not only understand economy is their strength to rule China, but also the organization system of the party will give much less possibility to produce Putin-like leader that can centralize power under his hand, CCP is more democratic in their party level system that will prevent one person to hold too much power as like what happen in Russia with Putin that can be called as supreme leader of Russia.

Local defense industry growth and sustainable defense spending

Because of that threat analysis, better we are more supportive on our economy and local defense industry. Focusing in economy means we will likely keep growing at 5-6 % until 2030 where in that rate our economy ( nominal GDP) is expected to reach 2 trillion USD in 2030. This double GDP number will double our defense spending as well without changing current policy to keep defense spending below 1 % of GDP (currently it is around 0.7 % of our GDP)

While by focusing on local defense industry means that in the time our defense spending is expected to be quite large beyond the year of 2030, hopefully majority of the armament order will come from our own local defense industry products. This then translate into more sustainable defense spending as large part of it will go to our own domestic economy in which with that larger market it can hopefully grow our big SOE defense holding and local subcomponent industry from both SOE and the private sectors as well

Minister of Defense, Prabowo Subianto is in UAE Today

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