Indonesia Defence Forum

[Chestnut]

Norway is in process to replace their Leopard 2A4 NO with new MBT, i am in favor to acquire such used articles.

It's either replacing them with the K2 or upgrade them to the 2A7V. Eitherway, PUSENKAV apparently doesn't want more MBT's.

 

[striver44]

Eitherway, PUSENKAV apparently doesn't want more MBT's.

is it for budgetary or doctrinal reason?

 

[Chestnut]

is it for budgetary or doctrinal reason?

Doctrinal. More or less it's the whole "boomer thinks we're ever only going to be fighting a guerrilla war" mentality. Though to be fair, there isn't many places that Leopard 2's can go around here. Money is better spent on air and portable ATGM assets.

 

[Nike]

Doctrinal. More or less it's the whole "boomer thinks we're ever only going to be fighting a guerrilla war" mentality. Though to be fair, there isn't many places that Leopard 2's can go around here. Money is better spent on air and portable ATGM assets.

Well for now i am sure helicopter units is much much more important for the army, as they are more flexible in any roles (to quash rebellion or giving humanitarian support when disaster came, for logistick support or fighting peer adversary), the thing is they should looking them in number as we are very large country with vast area to be covered. They should just not be convined with brand new units, excess article should be considered too

 

[Kansel]

 

[Gen3115]

Doctrinal. More or less it's the whole "boomer thinks we're ever only going to be fighting a guerrilla war" mentality. Though to be fair, there isn't many places that Leopard 2's can go around here. Money is better spent on air and portable ATGM assets.

Agree, might be wrong but 100 MBT's for an island nation is not bad plus I don't see a lot of threats in Indonesia that requires us having lots and lots of MBT's.

I really think we should invest in AT armaments for Penerbad's fleet, I think the current Fennec helos we have would actually make a decent and maybe affordable anti-tank platforms, we should probably acquire more along with anti-tank armaments like TOW

 

[Jatosint]

I don't know much about Denjaka so...what's new? Denjaka is now fully under the Marine Corps?

 

[Nike]

Agree, might be wrong but 100 MBT's for an island nation is not bad plus I don't see a lot of threats in Indonesia that requires us having lots and lots of MBT's.

I really think we should invest in AT armaments for Penerbad's fleet, I think the current Fennec helos we have would actually make a decent and maybe affordable anti-tank platforms, we should probably acquire more along with anti-tank armaments like TOW

Utility helo should be a priority right now, even Bell 412 can be heavily armed if needed.

 

[Chestnut]

Well for now i am sure helicopter units is much much more important for the army, as they are more flexible in any roles (to quash rebellion or giving humanitarian support when disaster came, for logistick support or fighting peer adversary), the thing is they should looking them in number as we are very large country with vast area to be covered. They should just not be convined with brand new units, excess article should be considered too

Agreed, more Apaches and Bell 412's seems like a more pressing priority than MBT's right now.

 

[Lasa-X]

Great

Now everyone knows how many denjaka personnels are

 

[Chestnut]

Utility helo should be a priority right now, even Bell 412 can be heavily armed if needed.

PUSPENERBAD aren't looking to arm the Bell 412's because of doctrine. Ifg anything is going to be armed with ATGM munitions, it'll either be the Fennecs and the Apaches.

 

[GraveDigger388]

Great

Now everyone knows how many denjaka personnels are

Why should it be of a great concern?

 

[nufix]

Why should it be of a great concern?

with the way how TNI store their data, there is no point in trying to hide it.

 

[Raduga]

with the way how TNI store their data, there is no point in trying to hide it.

Just ask some tukang gorengan in perimeter of our armed forces headquarter or office, they usually have some paper from the HQ for "bungkus" purpose, i still remember back then when someone buy gorengan with "bungkus" containing table of information about air force equipment readiness.

 

[Ruhnama]

yea, but Polish dislike it, so they prefer to buy K2 Black Panther from South Korea with a license as K2PL "Wilk" (sorry Out of Topic), although the upgrade process of Leo 2A4 to Leo 2PL is still ongoing

Likely k2 tank is good basis gor mbt turks and poles use it.

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