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BT-3F still has not beaten BTR-4M in the fight for the Indonesian contract

Extremely fascinating now is the battle that broke out between the Ukrainian BTR-4M and the Russian BT-3F for the Indonesian market. And it is used as a complete set of favorite methods of Russian propaganda for discrediting Ukrainian technology, and creating the appearance of victory where it is not yet close! But first things first.


In mid-August this year, all Russian media broadcast that during the military-technical forum "Army-2017" a military delegation from Indonesia can agree on the delivery of the Russian armored personnel carrier BT-3F, instead of "not justified the hopes" of Ukrainian BTR-4M . At that time, the theme of the failure of BTR-4M tests in Indonesia was persistently cultivated in the Russian media space, although no official statements were received from the Indonesian Ministry of Defense.


Well, since the delegation comes to the forum to conclude a treaty, so be it. However, the forum "Army-2017" was over, and there was no euphoria about the multimillion-dollar contract, but it's about $ 95 million, there was no Russian media ... A week, two, three, a month ... And silence. Well, how quiet? Not really.


So, at the end of September, 2017, it became known that the Russian concern "Tractor Plants" is declaring bankruptcy, because one of the leaders of machine building has amassed 1.5 billion US dollars of debts! And the concern includes, among other things, OAO Kurganmashzavod, which produces vaunted BT-3F!


Needless to say, if a multimillion-dollar contract with Indonesia were concluded, it would have already screamed all the information sites and thematic forums of the Russian Federation, and from the bankruptcy of "Tractor Plants" would not have made a tragedy? And to confirm that, almost two months later, Deputy Director General of Rosoboronexport Sergei Goreslavsky in an interview with journalists noted that negotiations with the Indonesian side are still under way ... Still?


Actually, sucking the victory out of your finger is a favorite occupation of the Russian side, but you need to be realistic, and that's why.


First of all, experts of the Indonesian Armed Forces can not talk about any purchase and conclusion of contracts without BT-3F tests. These tests are long and comprehensive. And did anyone even hear that Russian armored personnel carriers were sent for testing to Indonesia? No. Therefore, they did not even begin!


And now, a little bit about the tactical and technical characteristics. In particular, the Russian armored personnel carrier has a mass of 18.5 tons, is equipped with a diesel "heart" with a capacity of 500 hp, capable of dispersing it along the track to 70 km / h, and also provide buoyancy at a speed of up to 5 knots. BT-3F is adapted to transport 12 paratroopers, provides them with protection from small arms in caliber up to 14.5 mm and has a range of up to 600 km.


The BT-3F is equipped with a remote-controlled combat module, with a 7.62-mm PKTM machine gun. There are also options for equipping BMs with machine guns 12.7-mm, 14.5-mm, automatic grenade launchers 30-mm AG-17A or 40 mm AGS-40. True, there were no combat modules with this weaponry in operation of BT-3F.


In turn, the BTR-4M and the engine is more powerful (600 hp) and the speed along the highway is higher - up to 100 km / h, and the power reserve along the highway is up to 690 km. As for weapons, the BM-7 "Parus" combat module provides fire support for the assault with the following arsenal: a 30 mm ZTM-1 automatic cannon, a 7.62-mm KT-7.62 caliber machine gun, an automatic 30-mm KBA grenade launcher -17, as well as four 130-mm anti-tank guided missiles R-3C "Barrier", hitting targets at a distance of up to 5 km and piercing armor 800 mm behind the dynamic defense.


In this case, the BTR-4M with the BM-7 "Parus" combat module floats at a speed of up to 5 knots. Just like BT-3F, its combat module has a much more modest fire potential, and in case of its amplification, the buoyancy characteristics may be violated.


That's why the corresponding question arises on this background, if BT-3F has such an "unparalleled" then really, why is it still not on the tests in Indonesia, and BTR-4M are in operation?
Personally i like the btr4m.....but it does have some issue with reliability in iraqi desert (i don't know if the same case apply here in tropical climate) and lately ukraine is struggling to complete and deliver tanks ordered by foreign country like the thai's oplot tanks......
 
Indonesia has thousand islands on the map, i have a question about current Indonesia traffic & transportation system, Which transportation ppl usually take from one island to another by ferryboat or flight-line ?
How many days usually spend if ppl travel from Sumatra Island to the Irian Pulau ? Ths.

It depends. If their carry-on is light, they prefer by air. If they have to haul heavy cargoes such as commodities or personal vehicles, they prefer ferries. If they have lots of time to spend, they prefer ferry and enjoy the sea breeze. If they don't have much time to spend, by air.

From Aceh North Sumatra to Jayapura east of Irian about 7 hours by air with transit in Jakarta. Ppl don't travel that route by sea. It's too long. Freight ship takes about 5-7 days depending on the stops in between.


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55 units?? Really?? If it's a typo why not 555 as well?
 
Indonesia has thousand islands on the map, i have a question about current Indonesia traffic & transportation system, Which transportation ppl usually take from one island to another by ferryboat or flight-line ?
How many days usually spend if ppl travel from Sumatra Island to the Irian Pulau ? Ths.

there is more than 250 airports in indonesia from small to the largest, so people will choose airplan than ferryboat.
 
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55 units?? Really?? If it's a typo why not 555 as well?

Yes it's a typo for sure. 55 units are the original needs to fill one battalion, to date only 5 units are coming as a first sample test and still no such decisions yet whether to continue the acquisition or not after a shortcoming issue on trial..
 
Iris T, Skyshield, Skyranger. Apa lagi yang kurang?

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kurang s 300/400 tante... :partay:


Selangkah Lagi, Indonesia Tambah 11 Sukhoi
Koran Sindo

Sabtu, 28 Oktober 2017 - 14:16 WIB
selangkah-lagi-indonesia-tambah-11-sukhoi-XO2.jpg

Proses pembelian 11 pesawat tempur Sukhoi SU-35 tinggal tahap finalisasi. Penandatanganan perjanjian akan dilakukan November.Foto/Ilustrasi/SINDOnews

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JAKARTA - Rencana pemerintah untuk memperkuat pertahanan udara dengan menambah 11 pesawat tempur Sukhoi SU-35 tinggal selangkah lagi. Pemerintah tinggal menandatangani perjanjian pembelian dengan pemerintah Rusia.

"Sudah, tinggal tanda tangan pada November," kata Menteri Pertahanan (Menhan) Ryamizard Ryacudu di Jakarta, Jumat (27/10/2017).

Ke-11 pesawat Sukhoi SU-35 yang dipesan Indonesia dari Rusia memiliki persenjataan lengkap dengan total harga sekitar Rp16 triliun. "Senjatanya lebih dari lengkap karena dapat pengurangan diskon, jadi ada tambahannya. Semuanya itu Rp16 triliun," ungkap Ryamizard.

Pemerintah kedua negara menyepakati pembelian 11 pesawat tempur Sukhoi-35 dari Rusia senilai USD1,14 miliar atau sekitar Rp15,162 triliun. Untuk pembelian 11 unit pesawat Sukhoi SU-35 ini, Indonesia menawarkan pembayaran dengan skema imbal dagang.

Nilai imbal yang telah disepakati kedua belah pihak yaitu 50% dari kontrak nilai jual 11 unit pesawat. Pembelian Sukhoi yang diatur melalui mekanisme imbal beli tersebut sesuai dengan Undang-Undang (UU) Nomor 16 Tahun 2012 tentang Industri Pertahanan.

Artinya, Indonesia membeli Sukhoi dari Rusia dan Rusia sebagai negara penjual berkewajiban membeli sejumlah komoditas ekspor Indonesia. Pesawat tersebut direncanakan tiba di Indonesia pada 2019.

Namun, Ryamizard mengatakan pembelian 11 pesawat tempur tersebut masih kurang. Pasalnya, kebutuhan untuk alutsista Indonesia sekitar satu skadron atau 16 pesawat tempur. "Idealnya kita butuh satu skadron, harusnya kalau mau beli satu skadron, itu masih kurang. Satu skadron itu 16 pesawat, masih kurang 5 lagi," ujarnya.

Menko Polhukam Wiranto mengatakan, rencananya Sukhoi SU-35 tersebut akan menggantikan pesawat F-5 yang sudah tua. Menurut Wiranto, kerja sama dengan Rusia ini juga akan ada alih teknologi. Di mana kontennya dari dalam negeri dan berlangsung selama lima tahun.

"Yang kedua ada alih teknologi secara berangsur-angsur. Kontennya nanti adalah 80% dari dalam negeri. Itu berangsur-angsur selama lima tahun. Nanti peningkatannya dari 30% meningkat 10% setiap tahun," paparnya.

Selain itu, Indonesia juga bisa mendirikan pabrik sparepart untuk Sukhoi. Sehingga semakin membuat teknologi Indonesia berkembang. "Kita juga nanti akan membuat pabrik sparepart di Indonesia dalam rangka alih teknologi Sukhoi. Kita dapat satu kesempatan untuk mempelajari teknologi yang lebih maju tentang pesawat terbang," ujar Wiranto.
(amm)
 
kurang s 300/400 tante... :partay:


Selangkah Lagi, Indonesia Tambah 11 Sukhoi
Koran Sindo

Sabtu, 28 Oktober 2017 - 14:16 WIB
selangkah-lagi-indonesia-tambah-11-sukhoi-XO2.jpg

Proses pembelian 11 pesawat tempur Sukhoi SU-35 tinggal tahap finalisasi. Penandatanganan perjanjian akan dilakukan November.Foto/Ilustrasi/SINDOnews

A+ A-
JAKARTA - Rencana pemerintah untuk memperkuat pertahanan udara dengan menambah 11 pesawat tempur Sukhoi SU-35 tinggal selangkah lagi. Pemerintah tinggal menandatangani perjanjian pembelian dengan pemerintah Rusia.

"Sudah, tinggal tanda tangan pada November," kata Menteri Pertahanan (Menhan) Ryamizard Ryacudu di Jakarta, Jumat (27/10/2017).

Ke-11 pesawat Sukhoi SU-35 yang dipesan Indonesia dari Rusia memiliki persenjataan lengkap dengan total harga sekitar Rp16 triliun. "Senjatanya lebih dari lengkap karena dapat pengurangan diskon, jadi ada tambahannya. Semuanya itu Rp16 triliun," ungkap Ryamizard.

Pemerintah kedua negara menyepakati pembelian 11 pesawat tempur Sukhoi-35 dari Rusia senilai USD1,14 miliar atau sekitar Rp15,162 triliun. Untuk pembelian 11 unit pesawat Sukhoi SU-35 ini, Indonesia menawarkan pembayaran dengan skema imbal dagang.

Nilai imbal yang telah disepakati kedua belah pihak yaitu 50% dari kontrak nilai jual 11 unit pesawat. Pembelian Sukhoi yang diatur melalui mekanisme imbal beli tersebut sesuai dengan Undang-Undang (UU) Nomor 16 Tahun 2012 tentang Industri Pertahanan.

Artinya, Indonesia membeli Sukhoi dari Rusia dan Rusia sebagai negara penjual berkewajiban membeli sejumlah komoditas ekspor Indonesia. Pesawat tersebut direncanakan tiba di Indonesia pada 2019.

Namun, Ryamizard mengatakan pembelian 11 pesawat tempur tersebut masih kurang. Pasalnya, kebutuhan untuk alutsista Indonesia sekitar satu skadron atau 16 pesawat tempur. "Idealnya kita butuh satu skadron, harusnya kalau mau beli satu skadron, itu masih kurang. Satu skadron itu 16 pesawat, masih kurang 5 lagi," ujarnya.

Menko Polhukam Wiranto mengatakan, rencananya Sukhoi SU-35 tersebut akan menggantikan pesawat F-5 yang sudah tua. Menurut Wiranto, kerja sama dengan Rusia ini juga akan ada alih teknologi. Di mana kontennya dari dalam negeri dan berlangsung selama lima tahun.

"Yang kedua ada alih teknologi secara berangsur-angsur. Kontennya nanti adalah 80% dari dalam negeri. Itu berangsur-angsur selama lima tahun. Nanti peningkatannya dari 30% meningkat 10% setiap tahun," paparnya.

Selain itu, Indonesia juga bisa mendirikan pabrik sparepart untuk Sukhoi. Sehingga semakin membuat teknologi Indonesia berkembang. "Kita juga nanti akan membuat pabrik sparepart di Indonesia dalam rangka alih teknologi Sukhoi. Kita dapat satu kesempatan untuk mempelajari teknologi yang lebih maju tentang pesawat terbang," ujar Wiranto.
(amm)
Idealnya pake istilah terukur seperti : sebulan lagi, setahun lagi dll.
"Selangkah" itu maknanya ambigu.
 
Lol

Cant be helped, just repetition from SBY period 1. Economic consolidation phase, need money to build up forces

I know that the infrastructure fund has been increased to $35 billion, which is a good thing. So, it's a bitter-sweet situation.
 

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