Indonesia Aerospace Forum

[Indos]

Go forward indonesia

Thanks bro.........

Just grow together, my friend..............

 

[Zero_wing]

Dont think so we have to rebuild our industries

 

[Nusantara]

Dont think so we have to rebuild our industries

start it from now, you are lucky, you got US as ally and have a great relationship with Israel

 

[CountStrike]

Indonesian Aerospace eyes airliner variant of CN235 (N 245)

Indonesian Aerospace is considering the development of a commercial variant of the CN235 tactical transport aircraft.

The company has explored the concept of the airliner variant, designated the N245, and believes it could build two prototypes by the 2017-2018 timeframe, says company director of production Arie Wibowo.

The manufacturer envisages the variant carrying 35-50 passengers on short, regional segments. "It would be a spoke-to-spoke aircraft," says Wibowo.

Wibowo spoke with Flightglobal at the biennial Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition. The Indonesian airframer believes it could develop the new variant and produce two prototypes for $200-250 million, which would come from the Indonesian government.

Indonesian Aerospace already has the world's only active production line for the CN235. Creating a commercial variant would involve re-designing the tail-empennage to remove the ramp. Creating a N245 would therefore require a series of alternate production stations parallel to the main line.

The engine would also change to a Pratt & Whitney PW127, from the General Electric CT7 that powers the CN235s now in production.

Indonesian Aerospace sees the N245 operating at 25,000 feet, higher than the typical operating altitude of the CN235.

The company feels the N245 would fill a useful niche between its developmental N219, which targets the segment now served by the Twin Otter and Cessna Caravan, and the ATR series.
Indonesian Aerospace eyes airliner variant of CN235 - 3/18/2015 - Flight Global

Dont think so we have to rebuild our industries

hopefully Indonesia and Philipines joint together to built both our military industry ...

Future Strategic planning of PT DI (Indonesian Aerospace)

 

[Indos]

Beside sending around 30 engineers to help KFX/IFX program with South Korea. Indonesia under LAPAN agency also has undergone STEALTH fighter project by their own. For the mean time the program is postponed due to the lack of fund (or maybe because of KFX/IFX program seems to bring good promise than just an ambitious plan).

LAPAN Fighter Experiment 2 (LFX 2)

 

[CountStrike]

Bro Indos, is LFX is real project? i think LFX using single engine and IFX using 2 engine..hopefully we can make same as F 35 A to replace F 16 future.. after IFX project.. hehehe

kayaknya terlalu optimistik nii.. mungkin LFX ini konsepnya kerjasama antara Indonesia dengan ToT dari produsen yang kita beli pespurnya.. pertanyaannya? kenapa LFX 2? emang kemana LFX 1?

btw, kita (IFX) sama Turki TFX jadinya cepetan mana ya?
semoga cepet-an kita

 

[Indos]

Bro Indos, is LFX is real project? i think LFX using single engine and IFX using 2 engine..hopefully we can make same as F 35 A to replace F 16 future.. after IFX project.. hehehe

kayaknya terlalu optimistik nii.. mungkin LFX ini konsepnya kerjasama antara Indonesia dengan ToT dari produsen yang kita beli pespurnya.. pertanyaannya? kenapa LFX 2? emang kemana LFX 1?

Yup, it is real. They have design and tested the model prototype. It needs 10 years to be a real plane. The project is there to train young engineers in fighter jet design. I bet they use 2 engine as it is the ideal one considering our geographical area. By seeing the number (LFX 2), so it must be the second fighter program in which LAPAN has worked out. This one is a STEALTH fighter, I think they get the confidence to start the program after our team join KFX/IFX program at South Korea.

Based on the project manager statement, he said young engineers who join the program has already had some valuable knowledge from this project. This generation of engineers will be the backbone of our IFX version development. So we really need to prepare jet fighter department from now on.

 

[Indos]

CN-235 Persuader Maritime Patrol Aircraft - Airforce Technology


CN-235 Persuader programme and development
AirTech, or Aircraft Technology Industries, was formed by CASA (now EADS CASA of Spain) and IPTN (now Dirgantara) of Indonesia to develop the CN-235 aircraft which has been built in many versions for civil and military missions. First flight of the CN-235 was in 1983 and the aircraft entered service in 1988. Over 230 of all versions of CN-235 are in service and have accumulated more than 500,000 flight hours.

In July 2002, the Lockheed Martin / Northrop Grumman team was awarded the contract for the US Coastguard's Deepwater programme, which includes 35 new fixed-wing maritime patrol aircraft. The USCG selected the EADS CASA CN-235-300M for this requirement.

In February 2004, prime contractor Lockheed Martin received a contract to deliver an initial two CN-235-300 maritime patrol aircraft. A further five aircraft were ordered in May 2007. The first aircraft, designated HC-144A Ocean Sentry, was delivered to Lockheed Martin, for integration of the mission systems, in December 2006. The sixth was delivered in November 2008. All 36 aircraft are to be in service by 2017.

In December 2002, the Columbian Navy ordered two CN-235 for patrol and anti-drug trafficking missions.

In April 2005, Venezuela ordered two CN-235 maritime surveillance aircraft and in January 2006, Thailand placed an order with Dirgantara for ten aircraft, six for the Ministry of Defence and four for the Ministry of Agriculture.

In December 2007, Spain ordered two CN-235 maritime patrol aircraft for the Guardia Civil, for delivery 2008–2009.

One CN-235 MPA aircraft was delivered by Dirgantara to the Indonesian defence ministry in June 2008.

CN-235 MP/MPA design
The aircraft is of conventional semi-monocoque design and mainly aluminium alloy construction. Composite materials, Kevlar and glass fibre have been used extensively in the construction of the wing and tail leading and trailing edges, engine nacelles and the nose radome.

Mission systems
The two manufacturers, CASA EADS in Spain and Dirgantra in Indonesia, supply the aircraft with different mission systems. The Spanish developed CN-235 MP Persuader is fitted with the Northrop Grumman APS-504 (V) 5 radar. The Indonesian developed CN-235 MPA is equipped with the Seaspray 4000 from BAE Systems, the AN/APS-134 from Raytheon or the Ocean Master 100 from Thales.

CN-235 MP Persuader
The Spanish-built Persuader has been in service with the Irish Air Corps since 1991. Spain has ordered four Persuaders. In 1998 Turkey ordered six for the Turkish Navy and three for the Turkish Coast Guard, the first of which was delivered in November 2001.

"The CN-235 patrol aircraft are of conventional semi-monocoque design and mainly aluminium alloy construction."
The aircraft will be based at Cengiz Topei, the Turkish Naval Air Base. The Coast Guard is under the operational control of the Turkish Ministry of the Interior, but in times of crisis or war, the coastguard is under the command of the chief of the Turkish Navy. Turkey negotiated an agreement for the assembly of the aircraft for Turkey and for export by Turkish Aerospace Industries Inc (TAI) at Ankara. TAI had previously manufactured 50 transporter versions of the CN-235 between 1991 and 1998.

The aircraft is equipped with a FLIR Systems FLIR-2000HP forward looking infrared night vision system. The FLIR pod is mounted under the nose of the aircraft. Northrop Grumman (Litton) supplied the AN/ALR-86(V) electronic support measures and the APS-504(V)5 radar.

Nine Turkish Navy and coastguard CN-235 aircraft are to be fitted with the Thales AMASCOS system, which also equips Indonesian Air Force aircraft. First flight of the CN-235 for the Turkish Navy took place in December 2008.

CN-235 MPA Indonesian Navy variant
The Indonesian Ministry of Defence and Security ordered 24 CN-235 aircraft, including six for the Indonesian Navy maritime reconnaissance squadron and three for the Indonesian Air Force.

THALES and IPTN signed a memorandum Of agreement in May 2000 for the supply of three CN235 aircraft manufactured by IPTN and equipped with AMASCOS from Thales Airborne Systems, to the Indonesian Air Force. The AMASCOS airborne maritime situation control system includes the Ocean Master search radar produced by Thales and EADS Deutschland, the Elettronica ALR 733 radar warning receiver, the Chlio thermal imager developed by Thales Optronique, the Gemini navigation computer from Thales (formerly Sextant) Avionics and the AN/ASQ-508 magnetic anomaly detection (MAD) system from CAE.

There are three hardpoints under each wing that can carry Harpoon anti-ship missiles. The Indonesian maritime patrol version can be fitted with two mk46 torpedoes or Exocet M-39 air-launch anti-ship missiles.

CN-235 MPA for Brunei
Brunei has ordered three Indonesian developed versions of the aircraft. Boeing is contracted as the Argo Systems Integrator. The aircraft are equipped with an FLIR Systems AN/AAQ-21 Safire FLIR, a BAE Systems Sky Guardian electronic support measures electronic warfare system and a AN/APS-134 radar. The information friend or foe system fitted on the aircraft is the Cossor 3500 IFF.

CN-235 MPA for UAE
"Over 230 of all versions of the CN-235 are in service."
The United Arab Emirates placed an order for four Indonesian developed CN-235 MPA aircraft in 1998. The aircraft is equipped with the Thales AMASCOS 300 with Ocean Master 100 radar for surveillance, maritime patrol, anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare.

HC-235A US Coastguard variant
The HC-235A aircraft for the US coastguard have a Rockwell Collins avionics suite, including four 6in×8in active matrix liquid crystal multi-function displays and communications, navigation and surveillance systems to meet air traffic management requirements.

Sensors include FLIR Systems Star Safire III thermal imaging system and Telephonics APS-143C search radar.

Navigation
The aircraft is equipped with a Trimble TNL7900 Omega global positioning system and a Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton) LN92 ring laser gyroscope inertial navigation system.

Engines
Two General Electric CT&-9C3 turboprop engines each developing 1,305kW, are wing-mounted in composite nacelles. The engines produce 1,394kW with automatic power reserve. The engines drive Hamilton Sundstrand 14RF-21 four-bladed, constant speed, full feathering, reverse pitch propellers, diameter 3.35m. The propellers are of glass fibre construction with a metal spar and urethane foam core.

 

[Indos]

From @madokafc post

Indonesian CN-295 production assembly at local facilities of PT DI

Pict: Gombal Jaya and other uploader

 

[Dante]

Dont think so we have to rebuild our industries

There are some innitiatives to form ASEAN defense industries consortium, hopefully this will happen in near future and will further develop ASEAN members defense industries

 

[Nike]

Singapore Airshow 2014: Indonesian Navy turns to N219 as Nomad successor

Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - IHS Jane's Navy International
11 February 2014

Indonesian aerospace company PT Dirgantara Indonesia (Persero) officials have said an Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL) naval aviation unit is replacing up to 20 of its ageing twin-engine turboprop ASTA/GAF Nomad maritime patrol aircraft with Persero's N219 platform.

Speaking to IHS Jane's on 12 February at the Singapore Airshow, Persero spokesperson Teguh Graito said that the Indonesian government plans to replace between 15-20 Nomads from the Skuadron Udara 800 unit with the N219s. Senior TNI-AL officials have approached the company to discuss the acquisition but details such as quantity and configuration have yet to be finalised.

The TNI-AL's Skuadron 800 unit is in charge of conducting airborne maritime patrol duties for the country and has been operating the Nomad since 1975.

http://www.janes.com/article/33839/...onesian-navy-turns-to-n219-as-nomad-successor

N-219 is ready to be mass produced

25 March 2015

SOLO, suaramerdeka.com - Central Goverment, through the hands of PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT DI) is in middle of preparation to mass production small aircraft N-219. Those plane will be specialized to serve small commuter flight in Indonesia

N-219 will be used to serve any cities in range of 200 km. The capacity seat is 19 seat, said Minister of Science and Technology and Higher Education (Menristek dan Dikti), M Nasir, when visiting Solo Techno Park (STP), Tuesday (24/3)

He claimed, the prototype of those plane had been finished. "One unit of research aircraft is valued between 120 to 125 billion Rupiah (10 to 10,2 million US dollar). We are on the way to made N-219 to get her certificate and licensed this year". With this, Nasir continued, PT DI is expected to mass production those aircraft at least in 2016.

"If those aircraft can be materielized in 2016, so next year will be a year for the rising of Indonesian Aviation era" said the ex of Rektor Universitas Diponegoro.

Nasir said, although the fund for experiment project to made the prototype is relative high, market price for this aircraft can be lowered.

"Economical price for this aircraft is between 6 million US dollar, or will be around 70 billion rupiah. If we compared with her competitor, the price is very prospective." He added

Thailand and Philippine has made an interest for those aircraft

"But we will focusing the production to fullfil Indonesian demand first" Said him

Pesawat N-219 Siap Diproduksi Massal | SUARAMERDEKA.com - Berita dan Informasi Jawa Tengah

 

[Dante]

@madokafc
I don't get it....why N219 and not NC212-400
What they look for on the N219 that they couldn't find in NC212-400?
And the later is proven platform

 

[Nike]

@madokafc
I don't get it....why N219 and not NC212-400
What they look for on the N219 that they couldn't find in NC212-400?
And the later is proven platform

CN212-400 from whatever side you look at it, it still CASSA-Nurtanio joint product, hence the profit and lisence still attached to Cassidian Airbus company. I hope you could get it

 

[Dante]

CN212-400 from whatever side you look at it, it still CASSA-Nurtanio joint product, hence the profit and lisence still attached to Cassidian Airbus company. I hope you could get it

I suspect that actually
But i don't believe my suspicion......in long term, is it worth and most importantly break even for this project? Are they will get more money?or this is just a personal ambitions of some DI aircraft designers?

I'm sure you know....some of them are love to showing off....and forgot about business side of every project

 

[Nike]

I suspect that actually
But i don't believe my suspicion......in long term, is it worth and most importantly break even for this project? Are they will get more money?or this is just a personal ambitions of some DI aircraft designers?

I'm sure you know....some of them are love to showing off....and forgot about business side of every project

no lah if they want to show off they will trying to revive N-250 project instead of this no name and no fame small aircraft project. For BEP, some calculated it will with around 80 to 100 order of aircraft (sorry can't put the links or picture needed to backup this claim as it came from the presentation) and it can easily be achieved, at least for Indonesia Navy requirement they need around 24 to 32 aircraft to replace the Nomads, not to mention Army, Police department, ministry of fisheries and Ministry of Forestry along with Private companies such as, Susi Air, Pelita Air, Lion Air and so on.

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