Aryan theory is a mythical hypothesis without any real substantiation in modern academia.
That's what indians and indian origin people believe claim or those whose knowledge comes from "vedas".
NO mainstream academia will say such a thing.
I quote an earlier post which was banned on this forum
"The only person in Pakistan who has his full genome tested is Dr. Atta-ur-Rahman who is 6th person in the world to have full human genome tested.
Out of 280,000, more than and I repeat more than 200,000 of his SNPs are
western Europeans meaning Aryans. That is he has 71 percent of his genome from Europe and he is majority European. NOT indus. He is arayn like Most of Pakistanis by majority of his genes. Paper on him is available somewhere online.
Even though he was born in new dehli, he is originally punjabi. He is not white in skin color but has light brown skin yet majority of his genome is European. You can tell that because of his aryan skull and facial feature which are found in abundance in Pakistan but NOT in india"
Your academia has no merit clearly and lives in their delusions. Facts are facts. its as simple.
I personally don't care about Aryans or not Aryans. I only care about keeping ourselves away from indians. here is why:
This is because looking at indians in india, having love affairs (very common) and even marriages at times
regardless of religion makes me worried as muslim. We don't want that in pakistan and wants to therefore keep indians away. I don't want my children tomorrow to believe this india-pakistan same nonsense and end up having "haram" relationship driven by false "idea of ethnic" affiliation with indians.
I even unfriended and stopped talking to a relative in UK on facebook who was having an affair with a Sikh lady. Indians live far away and they are having affairs or wanna have affairs with us. IF they live with us, what would happen then.
So people like me want to reclaim our uniqueness, teach our children that so they are not drawn towards indians and so that we can preserve Islam.
Ethnicity is only things that works with indians. That is we use "ethnicity" as a tool to keep indians away from unwanted indian attention since no other reasoning such as nationalism, religion works on indians. They can only be pushed away using a ethnicity card where they are forced to accept our distinct ethnicities and identities.
Most of us do look different and have our unique features and so why not use that if that works. Whatever works.
Indians are obsessed with Pakistan and internet is full of their obsession with Pakistani looks. its a fact. So they constantly want to believe and the feed themselves like this post above, with "alternative academic history" largely lead by "small number of racist Europeans or mostly indians themselves".
Hence they ignore the fact the fact a large number of Pakistanis derive their heritage outside of india. Which is not true for indians.
Wherever we go indian relentlessly shower us with their unwanted attention "wanna be friends" or indian ladies "wanna be lovers" or whatever, telling us in their obsession that "we and they are same", again and again and again. it never ends. They don't listen that such relationships are haram in our way. According to indians, We are not even suppose to love or like other muslims from other countries, since supposedly indians have this right on us. In fact they try to instill hatred of other muslims nations so that they are only left that we can love.
Eventually people like me developed this defense mechanism where "truth" of our uniqueness is brought forward to tell them, "leave us alone, please".
You cannot even sit in park or in a train without some indian seeing you and sitting next to you and then forcing themselves upon you, the moment they realize you are from a "better" country Pakistan. There is no peaceful place where they leave us alone.
They justify their "enforced friendship" by constantly forcing us to accept their "alternative and debunked academic history" where they are exactly the same as Pakistanis.
This way they want to create a space where they feel accepted by the very people they unconsciously see as "superior" and not the same at all. Otherwise why not just ditch Pakistanis. Why so much chasing of Pakistanis. Why so much need to prove that they are the same as Pakistanis.
We don't feel such need.
Pakistanis are NOT just those who have an appearance exactly like average indian. Though we accept them fully as one of our own. They are also Pakistan.
However, Pakistan also include people who have uniquely Pakistani appearance far more common in Pakistan then ever be in india, found in all four provinces and in mohajar community. More often than not, you can always tell when someone is Pakistani or not. that difference is always there. its just a reality. There is no need to feel uncomfortable about it.
Furthermore, half the Pakistan is made up of people ranging from Pashtuns to kashmiris whose origin lie in Iran or euro-Asian regions (the aryan people), which is a historic fact (read above my post half the pakistanis). That's nearly half the Pakistan excluding Punjab or sindh. That's also Pakistan for GOD sake. They don't need to "want to be aryans", They predominantly live in the region historically called "Ariana" or land of aryans. Later these people started moving across indus river settling down in punjab and sindh, intermingling at times , displacing them to india, or killing indigenous yet very SPARSE population in these areas. Hence the rise of aryan people and culture in Punjab and Sindh. Though there were also direct aryan or allied groups (e.g. Scythians) related settlements from russia such as in Taxila in Punjab etc from where they spread across Pakistan.
In 5 to 7 years full human genome test will be a routine. Again do note those so called current genetic tests are not genetic tests. They are haplogroup tests and do not tell us our current gene composition.
Only one person Dr Atta-ur-Rahman who was the first south Asian have his full genome tested.
SO when full human genome tests will begin we will see that most Pakistanis are what we say we are.
Those dislike the idea of " aryan" probably are indigenous to india hence the irritation to concept of outside migration to Pakistan. Pakistan is largely a country of migrants. Some from india and a large number from outside of india. All united under islam. That does not means we should not use "ethnicity card" to keep indians away since that's the only reality unconsciously they seem to accept (though not consciously). What else we are suppose to do or tell them. There nothing else to tell.
You are welcome to cherry pick "your alternative academic history" from wherever you like. There is no point keep on arguing over same old. Truth will come out in few years when full genetic tests will be a common place.
Though not relevent, I do want to say those Indians who respect our uniqueness, I genuinly respect them and deal with them respectfully and in a friendly manner.
My desire is to have a future Pakistan and india where indians accept their uniqueness and let us live in our lives so that our children are not influenced by "their alternative history" and drawn in the name of race towards relationships and friendships with them, strictly prohibited by Quran. its about islam and not aryanhood. If the "fact" that they and we are largely different people works, so be it. We will use that.
Note : Aryans are not a race or a people, there is no Aryan blood, according to Vedas You're anything but Aryan.
The name aryans came from a region including iran, afghanistan and the Pakistan on the other side of Indus river, its 2/3 of Pakistan landmass. This regions is refered to as "
Ariana" even in your vedas. People of this regions were called "aryans" or arya.
What your current vedas says, I won't comment on it.
Still I am happy NOT to satisfy "vedic criteria" of being aryan. As I said, I could not care less about race.
I am proudly muslim. That's enough for me.
P.S. I apologize to the OP for somewhat not sticking to the topic. but linguistic and ethnicity are interlinked. People who brought or influenced the languages cannot be ignored. Anyway I am out of this thread. It was a mistake, big one. NOT a post again on such threads.
Why don't Indians ever claim to be the same people as Bangladesh, with whom they actually have racial, linguistic, and cultural connections?
They are obsessed with the Pakistani dream, imagining somehow that they are like us in some way.
We are not South Asian, that term is archaic and does not define us. Just like our racial cousins Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey, CARs, we are Eurasian/Southwest Asians/ part of Greater Middle East (if you include Afg and Iran.)
British also ruled Burma, that does not make us the same country as them.
Indian obsession with Pakistan is creepy.
You are absolutely right. They even tell that to local arab shop keepers here. Like literally I go to arab shops and there they tell arabs that British "sowed" this hatred of indians in us otherwise they are still the same as Pakistanis. That Pakistan should rejoin india as if historically we were one people by choice.
Every once a while an indian comes in, starts telling us, he wants to visit pakistan since his "supposed" Pakistani girlfriend is dying for him (yet not sponsoring him). Upon confrontation, that girl always turns out be "an indian" one.
They don't understand that due to bollywood influence, Pakistanis may initially like indians upon first meetings, or show even love for them. But it won't last for long. Overtime, Pakistanis will come back to Pakistan and hatred of indians will resurface after a while, whether in few months or in a year.
This obsession is actually harmful for indian themselves. Because they feed this "india-Pakistan" same nonsense to their children. Their girls have developed their own rather extreme obsession with pakistani men. Which is not healthy for indians in general. They need to segregate and separate themselves if they want to preserve their religions, and their way of life. By this way they'll be doing us a favor too.
Brother throughout my most without realizing, I used the wrong spelling aryana while the correct spelling were "Ariana" for the region bordering indus river from parts of Punjab to iran. since i won't be here, please do remember that Ariana meaning land of aryans it includes roughly 2/3 of Pakistan. Also large number of people settled from Ariana that is from other side of indus river to this side over the years as described above.
