Indigenous HTT - 40 makes inaugural flight.

[Grevion]

Why do they have to be this Cr@ppy and sensational whenever they are reporting anything that is related to India's defence.
Oh wait! They are zee news they are always like this.

 

[Abingdonboy]

except for the HTT-40 exhaust placement is a little unusual.

Different engines/centre of gravity/whatever requirements but it is not unique to the HTT-40:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Tucano

IS HAL planning to make a armed version of this?

Indeed they are.

 

[GuardianRED]

Hope HAL redesigns the Canopy to be a Single Piece (like the PC7 Super Tucano etc) instead of the 2 piece

 

[GuardianRED]

Just reading up on UKMFTS

They have training elementary, basic and Advance. We do know that now the IAF is revising their training regime ie elementary (??) Basic (PC7/HTT40) Advance (AJT) where does the IJT come in??? why would IAF get these?

 

[Local_Legend]

VICTORY FOR HAL AS BASIC TRAINER TOUCHES THE SKIES

HTT-40 was built within three years.
It was a thumbs-up for local design and make of military aircraft as Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar watched HTT-40, the basic trainer aircraft for Air Force pilots, ceremonially touch the skies here on Friday
The small plane, painted bright yellow and piloted by Gp. Captain C. Subramaniam (Retd) and Gp Capt. K. Venugopal, was in the skies for about 15 minutes, over the old HAL airport around 9:15 a.m. It first flew unofficially on May 31.
It has to be certified over the next two years.
Generous Praise
It was victory for the design team of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd., as its baby soared and turned. Mr. Parikkar congratulated the young team of “an average age of 30 years” on flying the Hindustan Turbo-prop Trainer in the promised time. He had a special word of praise for Project Manager Prashant Singh Bhadoria for seeing it through its hurdles.
Barely two years ago, during Aero India 2015, its makers were publicly put down by the then IAF dispensation; the aircraft was outright rejected as one that would catapult the IAF’s novice pilots into flying and fighting. The Air Force later imported 75 Swiss-made Pilatus PC-7 MkII.
The IAF, which will follow a two-aircraft, three-phase training, may need about 210 trainers against the earlier 181.
It may top up its June 2015 plan to buy 70 HTT-40s with another 30 or 40, Mr. Parrikar said. The trainer could be up to 25 per cent cheaper than the imported trainer and may also generate business of Rs. 3,000-4,000 crore for vendors from Bengaluru and Hyderabad in future.
He said: “The indigenous content on HTT-40 is close to 80 per cent. The young team has taken a calculated risk and has flown the aircraft within one year of assuring me of it.”
With a manufacturing record of seven decades and seven HTT-40 flights done so far, HAL Chairman & Managing Director T. Suvarna Raju said they aimed to get it operationally certified in 2018.
It would need three flight prototypes, two static versions and would also be weaponised. This would need another Rs. 200 crore apart from HAL’s initial investment of Rs. 350 crore in 2013, when it took it up in August 2013.
“It is a remarkable feat that the aircraft in its inaugural flight carried out low speed pass, a series of turns, high speed pass and short-landing using reverse thrust - which is a unique feature available on this engine-propeller combination,” he added.
Mr. Raju, who was Director (R&D) at that time, recalled that the project has glided through many earlier headwinds. (The team has painted his initials `tsr' on the first prototype.)
A few hundred employees and invitees witnessed the flight.

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/06/victory-for-hal-as-basic-trainer.html

 

[GuardianRED]

VICTORY FOR HAL AS BASIC TRAINER TOUCHES THE SKIES

HTT-40 was built within three years.
It was a thumbs-up for local design and make of military aircraft as Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar watched HTT-40, the basic trainer aircraft for Air Force pilots, ceremonially touch the skies here on Friday
The small plane, painted bright yellow and piloted by Gp. Captain C. Subramaniam (Retd) and Gp Capt. K. Venugopal, was in the skies for about 15 minutes, over the old HAL airport around 9:15 a.m. It first flew unofficially on May 31.
It has to be certified over the next two years.
Generous Praise
It was victory for the design team of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd., as its baby soared and turned. Mr. Parikkar congratulated the young team of “an average age of 30 years” on flying the Hindustan Turbo-prop Trainer in the promised time. He had a special word of praise for Project Manager Prashant Singh Bhadoria for seeing it through its hurdles.
Barely two years ago, during Aero India 2015, its makers were publicly put down by the then IAF dispensation; the aircraft was outright rejected as one that would catapult the IAF’s novice pilots into flying and fighting. The Air Force later imported 75 Swiss-made Pilatus PC-7 MkII.
The IAF, which will follow a two-aircraft, three-phase training, may need about 210 trainers against the earlier 181.
It may top up its June 2015 plan to buy 70 HTT-40s with another 30 or 40, Mr. Parrikar said. The trainer could be up to 25 per cent cheaper than the imported trainer and may also generate business of Rs. 3,000-4,000 crore for vendors from Bengaluru and Hyderabad in future.
He said: “The indigenous content on HTT-40 is close to 80 per cent. The young team has taken a calculated risk and has flown the aircraft within one year of assuring me of it.”
With a manufacturing record of seven decades and seven HTT-40 flights done so far, HAL Chairman & Managing Director T. Suvarna Raju said they aimed to get it operationally certified in 2018.
It would need three flight prototypes, two static versions and would also be weaponised. This would need another Rs. 200 crore apart from HAL’s initial investment of Rs. 350 crore in 2013, when it took it up in August 2013.
“It is a remarkable feat that the aircraft in its inaugural flight carried out low speed pass, a series of turns, high speed pass and short-landing using reverse thrust - which is a unique feature available on this engine-propeller combination,” he added.
Mr. Raju, who was Director (R&D) at that time, recalled that the project has glided through many earlier headwinds. (The team has painted his initials `tsr' on the first prototype.)
A few hundred employees and invitees witnessed the flight.

This is doesn't explain to the Role of the IJT? why is HAL is going ahead for this project?

 

[zebra7]

@MilSpec @Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA

Your views on the this regarding HTT-40 that it would be more appealing from a techno-financial matrix standpoint for the IAF & IN, then the PWC-built PT6 engine should have been selected instead of the Honeywell TPE331, since this would have ensured commonality with the existing BTT fleet of PC-7 Mk.2s & would also have reduced the HTT-40's direct operating costs.

 

[MilSpec]

@MilSpec @Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA

Your views on the this regarding HTT-40 that it would be more appealing from a techno-financial matrix standpoint for the IAF & IN, then the PWC-built PT6 engine should have been selected instead of the Honeywell TPE331, since this would have ensured commonality with the existing BTT fleet of PC-7 Mk.2s & would also have reduced the HTT-40's direct operating costs.

Garrett TPE331 is being made by HAL since 1988, and also powers the DO-228, of which about 125 are in Indian services, that's about 250 flying engines and about another 125 spares. How much more commonality would you like bro? I doubt any other engine can lower the cost further.

This is doesn't explain to the Role of the IJT? why is HAL is going ahead for this project?

basic trainer>twin prop trainer/Prop transport (training on same a/c)

basic trainer>Intermediate jet trainer> advanced jet trainer(optional)>twin prop training>Turbo Transport (training on same a/c)

basic trainer>Intermediate jet trainer> advanced jet trainer>Lead in Fighter trainer (absent as of now)>model specific Combat trainer a/c

 

[Abingdonboy]

This is doesn't explain to the Role of the IJT? why is HAL is going ahead for this project?

For some bizarre reason the IAF is not replacing the Kiran Mk.2 with the AJT and are demanding an IJT (HJT-36) to replace a IJT (Kiran) despite the fact the Hawk AJT could easily fill both roles and there is no need whatsoever to have a stage between the BTT and AJT.

@MilSpec 100% a supersonic LIFT is required by the IAF/IN ASAP and the LCA fits the bill perfectly. This would be an easy 100 unit order, I hope HAL are working in this or at least pitching this to the IAF*.

*the N-LCA will extensively be utilised as a carrier-borne LIFT by the IN.

 

[MilSpec]

For some bizarre reason the IAF is not replacing the Kiran Mk.2 with the AJT and are demanding an IJT (HJT-36) to replace a IJT (Kiran) despite the fact the Hawk AJT could easily fill both roles and there is no need whatsoever to have a stage between the BTT and AJT.

@MilSpec 100% a supersonic LIFT is required by the IAF/IN ASAP and the LCA fits the bill perfectly. This would be an easy 100 unit order, I hope HAL are working in this or at least pitching this to the IAF*.

*the N-LCA will extensively be utilised as a carrier-borne LIFT by the IN.

Almost every single pilot combat a/c needs a two seat trainer, in Indian Forces, that is a not a preference but a requirement, Mig29K/upg UB variants, Mirage 2000 TI, Mig21 US/UM/UT, Jaguar IB, Mig23U. LCA from day one was developed with a twin seat in mind, and LIFT is now a requirement , and we have an optimal pilot friendly, safe, powerful and agile platform to cater to this role, which can be a multi purpose platform.

As far as the pitch is concerned, IAF and IN will order a larger number of twin seat variant, but not necessarily name it as LIFT, but in essence that would be primarily the role of the system. LCA 1P will see twice the numbers that are currently circulating.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Almost every single pilot combat a/c needs a two seat trainer, in Indian Forces, that is a not a preference but a requirement, Mig29K/upg UB variants, Mirage 2000 TI, Mig21 US/UM/UT, Jaguar IB, Mig23U. LCA from day one was developed with a twin seat in mind, and LIFT is now a requirement , and we have an optimal pilot friendly, safe, powerful and agile platform to cater to this role, which can be a multi purpose platform.

As far as the pitch is concerned, IAF and IN will order a larger number of twin seat variant, but not necessarily name it as LIFT, but in essence that would be primarily the role of the system. LCA 1P will see twice the numbers that are currently circulating.

I would have it they every rookie pilot trained on the LCA LIFT/twin seat after their AJT stage 3 training (BTT--->IJT(if they insist)--->AJT---> LCA LIFT---> OCU (trainer variant of their specific type). As it stands only LCA pilots will be trained on the twin seat version during their OCU stage training whilst the LCA should be used as a supersonic LIFT for all fighter jocks.

 

[MilSpec]

I would have it they every rookie pilot trained on the LCA LIFT/twin seat after their AJT stage 3 training (BTT--->IJT(if they insist)--->AJT---> LCA LIFT---> OCU (trainer variant of their specific type). As it stands only LCA pilots will be trained on the twin seat version during their OCU stage training whilst the LCA should be used as a supersonic LIFT for all fighter jocks.

That would be a great option.

Lift is a great option when dedicated twin trainers do not exist, so in my opinion a greater number of IJT/AJT is more pertinent from my view point, but yeas 40-60 Lift units would be a great addition tot he forces.
Added advantage being-
for me LIFT is a Multi role platform with slight reduction in Payload which can sanctioned from MoD under training req, but pressed into combat duty at one single outfitting.... (3 sqdns on tap , all the time)

 

[GuardianRED]

VICTORY FOR HAL AS BASIC TRAINER TOUCHES THE SKIES

HTT-40 was built within three years.
It was a thumbs-up for local design and make of military aircraft as Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar watched HTT-40, the basic trainer aircraft for Air Force pilots, ceremonially touch the skies here on Friday
The small plane, painted bright yellow and piloted by Gp. Captain C. Subramaniam (Retd) and Gp Capt. K. Venugopal, was in the skies for about 15 minutes, over the old HAL airport around 9:15 a.m. It first flew unofficially on May 31.
It has to be certified over the next two years.
Generous Praise
It was victory for the design team of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd., as its baby soared and turned. Mr. Parikkar congratulated the young team of “an average age of 30 years” on flying the Hindustan Turbo-prop Trainer in the promised time. He had a special word of praise for Project Manager Prashant Singh Bhadoria for seeing it through its hurdles.
Barely two years ago, during Aero India 2015, its makers were publicly put down by the then IAF dispensation; the aircraft was outright rejected as one that would catapult the IAF’s novice pilots into flying and fighting. The Air Force later imported 75 Swiss-made Pilatus PC-7 MkII.
The IAF, which will follow a two-aircraft, three-phase training, may need about 210 trainers against the earlier 181.
It may top up its June 2015 plan to buy 70 HTT-40s with another 30 or 40, Mr. Parrikar said. The trainer could be up to 25 per cent cheaper than the imported trainer and may also generate business of Rs. 3,000-4,000 crore for vendors from Bengaluru and Hyderabad in future.
He said: “The indigenous content on HTT-40 is close to 80 per cent. The young team has taken a calculated risk and has flown the aircraft within one year of assuring me of it.”
With a manufacturing record of seven decades and seven HTT-40 flights done so far, HAL Chairman & Managing Director T. Suvarna Raju said they aimed to get it operationally certified in 2018.
It would need three flight prototypes, two static versions and would also be weaponised. This would need another Rs. 200 crore apart from HAL’s initial investment of Rs. 350 crore in 2013, when it took it up in August 2013.
“It is a remarkable feat that the aircraft in its inaugural flight carried out low speed pass, a series of turns, high speed pass and short-landing using reverse thrust - which is a unique feature available on this engine-propeller combination,” he added.
Mr. Raju, who was Director (R&D) at that time, recalled that the project has glided through many earlier headwinds. (The team has painted his initials `tsr' on the first prototype.)
A few hundred employees and invitees witnessed the flight.

PPL..if u read the article posted by Local_legend ! ... it clearly mentions that "The IAF, which will follow a two-aircraft, three-phase training" ie it will be BTT and AJT

If you check out the RAF new "UK Military Flying Training System" it simply does away with the IJT!

 

[ejaz007]

mai keya sadke sirji app te eid ka chand ho gaye ... welcome back

Thanks.

Unfortunately due to busy nature of job not much time to visit defence.pk.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

BIG Milestone today for HTT40:

Caption:

And here’s TSR001 today after the spins. Gp Capt KK Venugopal in front, and Gp Capt Subroto Chaki in the rear seat. Spin recovery parachute gantry (yellow structure) attached to rear fuselage.

Image Credit:Angad Singh/HAL
Full article below:
https://english.manoramaonline.com/...pelled-young-blood-htt-40-spins-recovers.html