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India's 'substantial sacrifice' on sanctions helped seal Iran nuclear deal: US

US Foreign Policy usually lurches from plainly idiotic to downright moronic. And the American stand-off with Iran was a very good example of that. As usually happens..... sometimes the Americans have to wake upto reality, just as they have been forced to do so now.... to the importance of Iran in the region, and even more importantly the need that America has to Iran playing a stabilising role in the region. If the Jewish-Israeli lobby in Washington thinks that it is the tail that wags the American dog..... then it simply lives in a fool's paradise.

Israel's importance to the West (and to India for that matter) is circumscribed; which is why both of them have pursued realistic policies w.r.t. Iran. If the Americans think that they can defy Reality (and Gravity) let them.... it will only mean more American money and American blood down the tube.

So now India is going to teach us "foreign policy"..NICE!!! A country our "foreign policy" brought from the ditch to the dining table...."thinks" they have a better command over foreign policy. A country we provided the entire investment and growth infrastructure to, under our "foreign policy" objective :tup:

There is no "reality" in Iran's deal. Its more of a party and internal politics related issue within the US. Our foreign policy would work whether the Iranians are brought from the dinner table, just like India was 2 decades ago, or if the US military goes in and takes out these buildings where these dangerous weapons are being kept.

Having Iran develop weapons of this magnitude would destabilize the entire region. In your post, you think Iran will "stabilize the region". No, it will only stabilize India's close route trade and her strategy. Not the remainder of the globe's peace and stability.

This threat is SO grave that the Saudi's and the Israelis have been working together on this. This speaks volumes about the REAL threat perception. Either way, if our Mr. President wins the vote, I'll support it. But I'd really like a solution based on the US military's intervention.

No one wants to invade Iran, but no one should be allowed to build nuclear weapons either, specially a regime who has lied about it, hid weapons before, threatened to "wipe" off their enemies, off the map and all that. Iran is a huge threat and it should be dealt with as such. Marginalizing it would be a huge mistake and eventually, the result would be the same. The US military interference.....better do it today with less risks to our boys and girls, than later!
 
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Everyone knew Indian lobby was at it inside the US, ordered by the Indian Government as India needed to link up to Iran for her business purposes. I hope this deal gets blocked. Iran needs to end the program unconditionally. There is no iff and but about it.

We can't become a hostage to all Indian agendas. Note the "sacrifice" seen in Washington, is really Indian business interests and their lobbyist's "sacrifice" in forcing the US to lift bans on Iran.

We can't fool Israel and can't let Israel down. We shouldn't lift sanctions unless Iran unconditionally gives up this nuke program before even having negotiations to lift sanctions.
There is nothing called unconditional in International relation. Everything is give and take. So if you are hopping against the hope then best of luck..Aint gonna happen.
 
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Money is less of an issue, the Americans bankrupted themselves of ideas much before that. The Americans have no sense of History. They need to learn more about that, may be even from the Chinese on that account.

If the Americans can run the Indian economy and bring you from Ditch to the Dinner table, they can deal with another war with Iran too. You are too busy on here spreading Indian agenda and now telling the world that we are weak, when you know very well what the US stands for. India wants to buddy up with Iran and that's what forced this entire deal of "peace".

IMO, our real future threat is China and then India. I don't expect the Indians to do jack against the Chinese when the time comes. They'll hide and we'll be on our own just like we have been for a century. So we should bring ALL of our investments back to the US. I am SURE in a few years, the leadership at that time would be doing this. Just a matter of time.
 
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@Viper0011. You are seeing imaginary things

Iran is NOT going to get a Nuclear weapon

Nobody will allow that ; these sanctions brought Iran to the brink of economic meltdown

Iran also knows that

US may have wanted MORE but since other countries ie The other FIVE
countries have Okayed the deal ; US too has accepted this deal

The Ahmedinijad era of rabble rousing is over
 
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If the Americans can run the Indian economy and bring you from Ditch to the Dinner table, they can deal with another war with Iran too. You are too busy on here spreading Indian agenda and now telling the world that we are weak, when you know very well what the US stands for. India wants to buddy up with Iran and that's what forced this entire deal of "peace".

IMO, our real future threat is China and then India. I don't expect the Indians to do jack against the Chinese when the time comes. They'll hide and we'll be on our own just like we have been for a century. So we should bring ALL of our investments back to the US. I am SURE in a few years, the leadership at that time would be doing this. Just a matter of time.


Oh @orangzaib miyan; you never cease to amuse me.... not withstanding your change of avatar. Remember that Aunt Samantha came to romance India in the form of Dubya Bush. Times have changed.... America needs to not onlyy outsource technical jobs to India but part of the biz of looking after Defence interests in S.Asia and the Near East to India. So just wake up.....
 
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@Viper0011.

You are an American citizen but your perspective is Pro Pakistani

Hence you are always running down India

US India relations are only going to get BETTER

China is a REAL threat

If you think that US has " brought us up " ; It now NEEDS us even more

So we will be the biggest beneficiaries in this NEW Cold War
 
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POTUS is a huge fan of India. The Clinton Foundation received over $ 80 millions of "donations" from India just a couple of years ago. Who do you think they'll root for ??? :enjoy:. $ 80 million "donations" from a country where 600 million people can't even take a shiit with proper sanitation (literally) :yahoo:. That $ 80 million was needed by your nation more than the Clinton foundation. BUT....we all know why these massive donations are given. It is the lobby and its just one example.

On Iran, IMO, we needed a much stronger reaction like the Republican party members suggest. From what I know is that even inside the Democrats, there is a break becoming very clear on Iran's issue. I feel like we betrayed Israel due to another lobby forcing us towards "resolving" this with Iran so India can start their "strategic trade" with Iran. I think no matter what happens, we need to make sure that Israel's interests are protected and that Iran either ENTIRELY dismantles everything unilaterally or we go in and take these places out. Simple is that.

Yupp , like strong reactions like going into iraq worked so charmingly well. As far as an "american" implying that potus is a stooge of Indian lobbyist's is quite clear indication of where the allegiance lies and thus sanitation rants.
And the following is for all pinheads like you
-enjoy


On the flag thing, you can continue to cry about it, it doesn't matter to me. The flag is my signatures is what I salute. When people have NO facts left to show any counter legit argument, they start personal crap. It seems as anything you write that doesn't meet the Indian interest and propaganda, you are called Pakistani and all other stuff. Does it change the fact that the shiit hole has turned into a mansion? NO. It's still the same old smelly mess....

No matter what you call me or others with personal crap, doesn't negate the fact that in the "peaceful" India, people like you and your other cousins are too busy spreading Hindu terror, killing and forcing minorities to convert over to Hinduism or die, women get raped (both Indian and Western women visiting India). So you can call me whatever the hell makes you sleep at night, your country doesn't become "peaceful" by your posts. Someone will have to wake the hell up and start to push towards safe guarding your minorities.

yupp doesn't bother you at all, wonder why hasn't vedic commentary crept in yet....And btw you are showcasing your brilliant intellect by calling me a terrorist...keep calm and keep you cover intact....

If the Americans can run the Indian economy and bring you from Ditch to the Dinner table, they can deal with another war with Iran too. You are too busy on here spreading Indian agenda and now telling the world that we are weak, when you know very well what the US stands for. India wants to buddy up with Iran and that's what forced this entire deal of "peace".

IMO, our real future threat is China and then India. I don't expect the Indians to do jack against the Chinese when the time comes. They'll hide and we'll be on our own just like we have been for a century. So we should bring ALL of our investments back to the US. I am SURE in a few years, the leadership at that time would be doing this. Just a matter of time.
hey dummy,

India is not going to be anyone's monkey, India and US share good relations doesn't mean India's foreign policy will cater to US or any one else ... If you are looking for a puppet state, look elsewhere in the region, I am sure you will find a few. India's policy has, is and will be India First... not sure how this simple sentence can be drilled into your thick skull....

So now India is going to teach us "foreign policy"..NICE!!! A country our "foreign policy" brought from the ditch to the dining table...."thinks" they have a better command over foreign policy. A country we provided the entire investment and growth infrastructure to, under our "foreign policy" objective :tup:
Have you gone nuts, what pakistani investment has ever entered India, Your country's economy is in shambles.

@Viper0011.
 
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@Viper0011.

You are an American citizen but your perspective is Pro Pakistani

Hence you are always running down India

US India relations are only going to get BETTER

China is a REAL threat

If you think that US has " brought us up " ; It now NEEDS us even more

So we will be the biggest beneficiaries in this NEW Cold War


He tries hard...i mean sometimes too hard to show he is patriotic american...but like someone once said: "old habits die hard" so you can smell likes of him from a mile away no matter how hard he tries.
 
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Everyone knew Indian lobby was at it inside the US, ordered by the Indian Government as India needed to link up to Iran for her business purposes. I hope this deal gets blocked. Iran needs to end the program unconditionally. There is no iff and but about it.

How about you 'unconditionally' start using your brain and don't repeat what Israelis, AIPAC and Neocons say like a broken record? Because we won't do anything unconditionally. If you think this is another Iraq where you can starve thousands to death, then attack it to kill another thousands of people, think again.

I mean, isn't this obvious that Israelis are milking you and ordering you to do this and do that? Your leaders have to appease Israel and offer them lucrative arm deals to 'satisfy' them, same for Gulf countries (in others words, beg them to agree with you, the irony) and yet, you see the madman, Netanyahu, openly interfering in U.S internal politics and openly defying POTUS.

This threat is SO grave that the Saudi's and the Israelis have been working together on this.

All more reason that it is a good deal, when you have a racist Nazi-state (Israel) and a major money source for terrorism and extremism around the world to get worried and shake hands, it means you are doing it right.

Iran is a huge threat

The largest threat to the world is U.S. If you disagree, let's compare number of people that both countries have killed. Not to forget the fact that U.S is the ONLY country that has actually used nuclear weapons on people.

No one wants to invade Iran, but no one should be allowed to build nuclear weapons either

Yes, that's why U.S and Europe helped Israel develop nuclear weapons and don't even say a word about it. Because 'Murika is always the righteous.

a regime who has lied about it, hid weapons before, threatened to "wipe" off their enemies, off the map and all that

Lied about it? I think you mean the Bush's WMD hoax. That's what we call a huge lie. On the other hand, since day one, we have said we won't produce any nuclear weapons and we stood by it, and U.S and Israeli leaders have been lying for 12 years about a non-existent Iranian bomb.

better do it today with less risks to our boys and girls, than later!

It seems you didn't get enough body bags from Iraq. Yep, we did most of those, and for good. Don't forget U.S support for Saddam Hussein which used chemical weapons in mass scale, we won't forget that either. It's another proof that the whole U.S crying over WMDs is nothing but a parody show. As long as U.S allies or U.S itself use them, it's okay.
 
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There is nothing called unconditional in International relation. Everything is give and take. So if you are hopping against the hope then best of luck..Aint gonna happen.

I don't think I am or was looking for unconditional international relationships. That's fool's paradise in my opinion. But I do agree with mutual strategic initiatives and I think that's where the US leadership isn't reading India very well.

Don't get me wrong, this doesn't mean that I am an India hater. This just means, good for you guys but our own politicians need to wake up and not expect India to give us the unconditional support, aka, we need to know to what degree India or anyone else for that matter, can be relied upon.

By the way, thank you for indulging in a sane and rationale discussion. Majority of the Indian members on here, would just turn into flame balls, the second India's interests don't line up with my posts. No matter how factual of an issue you discuss.

@Viper0011. You are seeing imaginary things
Iran is NOT going to get a Nuclear weapon
Nobody will allow that ; these sanctions brought Iran to the brink of economic meltdown
US may have wanted MORE but since other countries ie The other FIVE
countries have Okayed the deal ; US too has accepted this deal. The Ahmedinijad era of rabble rousing is over

There are very educated and capable legal and international experts in the US Senate and in the US State Dept. If you see the current political scenario inside the US on this Iran issue, it's even divided the Democratic party.

There is no guarantee that Iran will not build a nuke. There wasn't one last time either. Remember, they tried to fool the entire globe three times already JUST to buy time. The issue is, Israel's hack into their nuke plants and then their scientists inability to produce the level of tech they needed to produce, was the result of them not having a nuke. Doesn't mean they don't have basic material.

So much time has passed by that by now, they could've produced so much more and would've hid it in different places. There is NO WAY to catch or see any of that. The only way to do this, is to go in ALL the way and either take out these plants or work out an agreement where there is unconditional access given to ANY facility and mutual decontamination protocols like the US and Russia had, where they'd supervise each others commitment to a much lager degree.

Another problem is, if you allow Iran to continue like this, the sanctions will be lifted, they'll go out and immediately buy $ 5 or 10 billion's worth of weapons. Five years from now, if they come back to this again (like they have in the past 3-4 years), militarily, it would be much difficult to resolve this with them, and it would result in a regional conflict, involving Israel, Saudia and obviously the US. I think that's where everyone's focused on.

No one wants a regional conflict big enough that it would put the entire globe on a mini WWIII in the most volatile region (the ME), next to another most volatile region (Indo-Pak). So everyone, including me, wants to make sure that the process has military involvement and the supervision to a degree that no one can violate it. This is world peace on the line.......

Because we won't do anything unconditionally. If you think this is another Iraq where you can starve thousands to death, then attack it to kill another thousands of people, think again.

I mean, isn't this obvious that Israelis are milking you and ordering you to do this and do that? Your leaders have to appease Israel and offer them lucrative arm deals to 'satisfy' them, same for Gulf countries (in others words, beg them to agree with you, the irony) and yet, you see the madman, Netanyahu, openly interfering in U.S internal politics and openly defying POTUS.

All more reason that it is a good deal, when you have a racist Nazi-state (Israel) and a major money source for terrorism and extremism around the world to get worried and shake hands, it means you are doing it right.

The largest threat to the world is U.S. If you disagree, let's compare number of people that both countries have killed. Not to forget the fact that U.S is the ONLY country that has actually used nuclear weapons on people..

Here we go. Who thinks these people want to work with the globe? Read the intensity in the post and you'd wonder why half the globe doesn't trust Iran!!! Right here is an example of that sentiment. These are the SAME people who'd threaten to wipe their enemies "off the map".....and they should be trusted. I don't think so and that's why many in the US legislation don't think so either.

Iran isn't going to require ground invasion, nor there is an issue like Saddam. I think the issue under discussion is the Irani nukes and the facilities can be taken out. In fact, it was the US who stopped Israelis from doing so, otherwise, this would've taken place earlier this year twice already!!!! Can I blame them? NO. If someone in my neighborhood threatened to "wipe my house off the map", you bet I'd feel uncomfortable and defensive at all times!!!

The US used nukes, yes I am aware of it. But also remember, it also brought a conflict to an end that has lasted for like a decade and had it not stopped, no one knew when it would actually stop, and how many more millions would get killed across the globe. From the Japanese shores to Russia!!!! That's like 80% of the entire world. Sometime, to establish peace, hard choices have to be made. And US would ensure the world is a safer place for all, but the party in conflict.

The US has NEVER told another country that it would "wipe them off the map". even by having the might to do so. Talk about responsible leadership. Here, we have Iran, UNDER sanctions, and threatening Israel to be wiped off the map.....really? What would happen if these guys were NOT under sanctions and had more military? I think they'd have actually attacked the Israelis. So do you blame the Israeli's to be concerned with the utter craziness that the Iranians have shows? Do you blame the Saudi's to feel super unsecured due to this extreme stance??? Do you think the American leaders who do not support this agreement are wrong? NO. There are valid reasons to NOT trust the Iranian regime. It's lied to the entire globe so many times.

The French were the last ones to get int sanctions as they have a huge trade relationship with Iran. But they also started to see how a lie-based campaign was being run by the Iranian regime and that Iran needed to be stopped from building a nuke. So even the French took a hit on their trade and joined sanctions. There are many valid reasons. Iran doesn't want to have a straight forward commitment based conversation and agreement. It would be very difficult to sell to the globe that "all of a sudden" Iran has decided to be very friendly to the globe.

I believe, sooner or later, the Iran issue will need to be tackled with. The Israelis, the Saudis and others will act as a unified block, if the US didn't. I can just see the writing on the wall!!!
 
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Iran is upset , India ow 9 billion dollar . Instead of returning this hard cash, India is trying to sell something in exchange.
 
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Good to see India always being sacrificed. :lol:
 
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Iran is upset , India ow 9 billion dollar . Instead of returning this hard cash, India is trying to sell something in exchange.

Iran isn't upset. Like I've said in many of my posts above, this entire deal was done based on Indian lobby's efforts on the US politicians. India is the ONLY country who gets the MOST financial benefit out of listing these sanctions on Iran.

A confirmation my stance is right here in their article on Bloomberg:

Iran Helps India Sidestep China in Race for Asian Gas Riches - Yahoo Finance

Iran rules out any ‘emergency’ in getting oil dues worth $6.5 billion from India - The Times of India
well they seem to be fine with it rather they are pushing for more investment in oil refineries and infra project.

Iran has no rush or emergency in terms of getting payments from India. India has already helped Iran so much that it's not even describe-able in terms of impact.

Getting out of sanctions was pretty much all India's work through her lobby in the US. Of course, India gets a ton of financial benefits in return (building a strategic port in Chahabar) and gaining a close to equal stake in the region compared to China through Gawader.

The hell hole Iran was in, there was NO WAY OUT. India made it possible for them so they owe India big times.
 
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Iran isn't upset. Like I've said in many of my posts above, this entire deal was done based on Indian lobby's efforts on the US politicians. India is the ONLY country who gets the MOST financial benefit out of listing these sanctions on Iran.

A confirmation my stance is right here in their article on Bloomberg:

Iran Helps India Sidestep China in Race for Asian Gas Riches - Yahoo Finance



Iran has no rush or emergency in terms of getting payments from India. India has already helped Iran so much that it's not even describe-able in terms of impact.

Getting out of sanctions was pretty much all India's work through her lobby in the US. Of course, India gets a ton of financial benefits in return (building a strategic port in Chahabar) and gaining a close to equal stake in the region compared to China through Gawader.

The hell hole Iran was in, there was NO WAY OUT. India made it possible for them so they owe India big times.
You mean India go against the Israeli and Saudi olicy ....
 
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