India's 'substantial sacrifice' on sanctions helped seal Iran nuclear deal: US

[Viper0011.]

@Viper0011.

You are an American citizen but your perspective is Pro Pakistani

Hence you are always running down India

US India relations are only going to get BETTER

China is a REAL threat

If you think that US has " brought us up " ; It now NEEDS us even more

So we will be the biggest beneficiaries in this NEW Cold War

No, China isn't a real threat. Both China and India are a threat. Defense secretary Gates said it a few times and then there was all this hoopla from the Indian lobby and he quietly moved on from that stance. I agree with it.

China is an open threat but India will back stab us and will not be there when we'll need her against the Chinese. Simple is that. I hope our leaders wake up and realize that.

Here's the proof of what I was saying earlier. The Iran deal was a work of intense Indian lobby. Otherwise, there was no way Iran would be able to get out of these sanctions. The biggest financial benefactor of this deal is India. Which is fine but the US didn't have to do it due to the constant pressure from the Indian lobby. We sidelined Israel and many countries' interests, which wasn't cool. I wish that this doesn't go through formal approval.

Iran Helps India Sidestep China in Race for Asian Gas Riches - Yahoo Finance

Also, you see a flag in my posts, you should respect it. If you can't come out with a fact based answer, you don't have to respond and try to make comments about my nationality when there are two flags from the same country showing my loyalty and allegiance.

Its a common Indian thing (and Chinese), to see a post that doesn't meet your interest and start bitch*ing like a 12 year old girl on periods about someone's nationality and all. How about you guys man up, and post a FACT based response so we can debate. Or go, give your mother a hug and cry about my posts?? No response is needed if you have NOTHING factual to contribute. Thank you.

You mean India go against the Israeli and Saudi olicy ....

India is only in it for India and the Indians. Something the West isn't realizing all the way as they expect a "strategic bond" against the Chinese. Which won't be there as India grows.

All these diplomatic, strategic initiatives with the US is a show. We are getting used to the Indian hug and the talk of "strategic partnership", and they are getting used our dollars invested inside India, our technology and jobs, resulting in growing the Indian economy to support its regional expansion goals.

So yes, India is going against Israel in this case to follow strategic interests. The Arabs don't count in the global power struggle. They are monarchs without a vision of the future and each one of them is struggling to keep their own little power shop open and fool their public and deny them rights.

In the future, you'll start to see India going against the US diplomatically too. Sooner or later, it will be all visible to everyone. This is just one example. I wish our leaders wake up and bring back some of the investments we've thrown inside India thinking they'll stand by us, when they'll be-friend China and will try to push us in the North Western corner of the world.

Can the American members take a look at above and provide some opinions please? This is NOT written for Indian trolls to start trolling. I think this is a huge strategic issue from a US standpoint and I'd like to discuss it.

@gambit @C130 @Oldman1 @Luca1 @Solomon2

 

[chhota bheem]

Iran isn't upset. Like I've said in many of my posts above, this entire deal was done based on Indian lobby's efforts on the US politicians. India is the ONLY country who gets the MOST financial benefit out of listing these sanctions on Iran.

A confirmation my stance is right here in their article on Bloomberg:

Iran Helps India Sidestep China in Race for Asian Gas Riches - Yahoo Finance



Iran has no rush or emergency in terms of getting payments from India. India has already helped Iran so much that it's not even describe-able in terms of impact.

Getting out of sanctions was pretty much all India's work through her lobby in the US. Of course, India gets a ton of financial benefits in return (building a strategic port in Chahabar) and gaining a close to equal stake in the region compared to China through Gawader.

The hell hole Iran was in, there was NO WAY OUT. India made it possible for them so they owe India big times.

Buddy,Indian lobby has not reached the level you want every one to belive.

The sanctions on Iran is lifted because the Power is shifting in ME in favour of Iran.its a bigger game.

 

[MilSpec]

How about you 'unconditionally' start using your brain and don't repeat what Israelis, AIPAC and Neocons say like a broken record? Because we won't do anything unconditionally. If you think this is another Iraq where you can starve thousands to death, then attack it to kill another thousands of people, think again.

I mean, isn't this obvious that Israelis are milking you and ordering you to do this and do that? Your leaders have to appease Israel and offer them lucrative arm deals to 'satisfy' them, same for Gulf countries (in others words, beg them to agree with you, the irony) and yet, you see the madman, Netanyahu, openly interfering in U.S internal politics and openly defying POTUS.



All more reason that it is a good deal, when you have a racist Nazi-state (Israel) and a major money source for terrorism and extremism around the world to get worried and shake hands, it means you are doing it right.



The largest threat to the world is U.S. If you disagree, let's compare number of people that both countries have killed. Not to forget the fact that U.S is the ONLY country that has actually used nuclear weapons on people.



Yes, that's why U.S and Europe helped Israel develop nuclear weapons and don't even say a word about it. Because 'Murika is always the righteous.



Lied about it? I think you mean the Bush's WMD hoax. That's what we call a huge lie. On the other hand, since day one, we have said we won't produce any nuclear weapons and we stood by it, and U.S and Israeli leaders have been lying for 12 years about a non-existent Iranian bomb.



It seems you didn't get enough body bags from Iraq. Yep, we did most of those, and for good. Don't forget U.S support for Saddam Hussein which used chemical weapons in mass scale, we won't forget that either. It's another proof that the whole U.S crying over WMDs is nothing but a parody show. As long as U.S allies or U.S itself use them, it's okay.

You are wasting your time buddy.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Viper0011.

Speaking about the Iran-Pakistan (IP) gas pipeline, Kazemzadeh
said work on the project had not stalled because of sanctions,
but in fact it was mainly due to the inability of Pakistan to finance its end of the project and build the pipeline.

IP pipeline: Sanctions had not halted work on project, says expert - The Express Tribune

 

[بلندر]

Everyone knew Indian lobby was at it inside the US, ordered by the Indian Government as India needed to link up to Iran for her business purposes. I hope this deal gets blocked. Iran needs to end the program unconditionally. There is no iff and but about it.

We can't become a hostage to all Indian agendas. Note the "sacrifice" seen in Washington, is really Indian business interests and their lobbyist's "sacrifice" in forcing the US to lift bans on Iran.

We can't fool Israel and can't let Israel down. We shouldn't lift sanctions unless Iran unconditionally gives up this nuke program before even having negotiations to lift sanctions.

I hope same things and my hop is on on bravery of congressmen ...

 

[Viper0011.]

@Viper0011.

Speaking about the Iran-Pakistan (IP) gas pipeline, Kazemzadeh
said work on the project had not stalled because of sanctions,
but in fact it was mainly due to the inability of Pakistan to finance its end of the project and build the pipeline.

IP pipeline: Sanctions had not halted work on project, says expert - The Express Tribune

Who brought up Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline???? Was that even in the topic? Hell, I am pissed about lifting sanctions from Iran to allow India to start trillions worth of trade. You think I care for Pakistan or India????

We (the US) need to watch out for our OWN interests. We've given India and others trillions. Its time we back the hell off of these sanction lifting crap and enforce these sanctions like our Republican leaders want to. We can't undermine Israel and the remainder of the region and we've done that already throughout this process.

India is the sole biggest benefactor of these sanctions lifting, as they want trade and road based strategic port development. While our politicians are buying whatever the Indian lobby is selling to us, thinking "India is our strategic partner", when in reality, India is out there for her own interests BUT their economy is financed through us. The trillions we poured in and so much access we gave India inside the US, wasn't needed and it will bit us in our rear in the next few years!!!! Here's one article which would show you what I am saying. India forced the US somehow to lift sanctions off of Iran. We accepted and India becomes the biggest benefactor of this:

With Iran’s Help, India Eludes China in Race for Gas Riches - Bloomberg Business

 

[nForce]

@Viper0011. Why are you trying to act like an American ?

More catholic than the pope ?

 

[Sarjen29]

Who brought up Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline???? Was that even in the topic? Hell, I am pissed about lifting sanctions from Iran to allow India to start trillions worth of trade. You think I care for Pakistan or India????

We (the US) need to watch out for our OWN interests. We've given India and others trillions. Its time we back the hell off of these sanction lifting crap and enforce these sanctions like our Republican leaders want to. We can't undermine Israel and the remainder of the region and we've done that already throughout this process.

India is the sole biggest benefactor of these sanctions lifting, as they want trade and road based strategic port development. While our politicians are buying whatever the Indian lobby is selling to us, thinking "India is our strategic partner", when in reality, India is out there for her own interests BUT their economy is financed through us. The trillions we poured in and so much access we gave India inside the US, wasn't needed and it will bit us in our rear in the next few years!!!! Here's one article which would show you what I am saying. India forced the US somehow to lift sanctions off of Iran. We accepted and India becomes the biggest benefactor of this:

With Iran’s Help, India Eludes China in Race for Gas Riches - Bloomberg Business

K.. What do you've aginst India???? You don't seem to be a American as you're trying to claim.. I'd say you're a chinees living in US with a big Butt Hurt

 

[Viper0011.]

@Viper0011. Why are you trying to act like an American ?
More catholic than the pope ?

That's because I am an American. How about you go kiss your mother, give her a hug and cry about how American I am? Stupid posts like the above, have no reason to be written if you have a working brain. Don't derail the topic if you don't want to participate. Take the Vedic times Ferarri and go visit Mars for a day and come back. I heard you had those cars running on water, being able to fly inter-galaxy 6000 years ago in the "Vedic" times . Talk about bullshiit. This topic doesn't need someone from India to respond to with Indian priorities. Let the American members here respond to it.

 

[nForce]

That's because I am an American. How about you go kiss your mother, give her a hug and cry about how American I am? Stupid posts like the above, have no reason to be written if you have a working brain. Don't derail the topic if you don't want to participate. Take the Vedic times Ferarri and go visit Mars for a day and come back. I heard you had those cars running on water, being able to fly inter-galaxy 6000 years ago in the "Vedic" times . Talk about bullshiit. This topic doesn't need someone from India to respond to with Indian priorities. Let the American members here respond to it.

I did not know this till this morning. Then I saw some posts of yours. Youre a Pakistani. What a sorry case of identity crisis...

 

[Viper0011.]

K.. What do you've aginst India???? You don't seem to be a American as you're trying to claim.. I'd say you're a chinees living in US with a big Butt Hurt

There is nothing against India. I don't care about India. India has been a recipient of trillions of dollars of our money, providing no strategic partner value in return. So I'll speak about it. You don't have to respond as the post wasn't for Indians or the Chinese kids to jump in.

Here's the fuking troll fest begins, another useful thread about to go down with Indian macho-ism!!!

@Jango @Oscar : Guys, could we find a solution to this Indian troll issue? We can't have ONE debate with people that need to be involved in. These guys jump in and derail the thread by personal attacks and assumptions.

 

[Sarjen29]

There is nothing against India. I don't care about India. India has been a recipient of trillions of dollars of our money, providing no strategic partner value in return. So I'll speak about it. You don't have to respond as the post wasn't for Indians or the Chinese kids to jump in.

Here's the fuking troll fest begins, another useful thread about to go down with Indian macho-ism!!!

@Jango @Oscar : Guys, could we find a solution to this Indian troll issue? We can't have ONE debate with people that need to be involved in. These guys jump in and derail the thread by personal attacks and assumptions.

Dude, world doesn't work on ur terms. Everyone is loking for their own interests. You came to India not other way around. What value you want us to give you.. stop buying oil from Iran and sever our relationship with them??? that doesn't benefit us.. we don't care what big shot you are. And as you say Strategic Partner of India why do you still sell Pakistan offensive weapons and fund them??/ Isn't it againt India??? and if we ask u to stop would you do it????

The troll begun when you entered in this thread go and re-read your posts boy

 

[Viper0011.]

Dude, world doesn't work on ur terms. Everyone is loking for their own interests. You came to India not other way around.

Are you sure you know what you are talking about? Would you like me to write on here, the "begging" that took place with Mr. Singh and Mr. Rao back in the mid-90's? They were the creator of the idea about selling India to Mr. Clinton as a hedge against the Chinese. That resulted in the US pouring its heart, the bank accounts and even savings out and putting them into India. WITHOUT any returns and by creating more competition for the US business who really didn't need this.

When you talk to me, you should at the least understand by the context of my post that I have seasoned experience in this arena. I am not a guy off the street trying to bash India. My posts are American centric and so are the flags in my signatures. You do not have to respond with trolling to my post,if you have nothing positive to contribute to the discussion. Leave the Americans to discuss my concerns as these are really internal American strategic issues. Thank you.

 

[Sarjen29]

Are you sure you know what you are talking about? Would you like me to write on here, the "begging" that took place with Mr. Singh and Mr. Rao back in the mid-90's? They were the creator of the idea about selling India to Mr. Clinton as a hedge against the Chinese. That resulted in the US pouring its heart, the bank accounts and even savings out and putting them into India. WITHOUT any returns and by creating more competition for the US business who really didn't need this.

When you talk to me, you should at the least understand by the context of my post that I have seasoned experience in this arena. I am not a guy off the street trying to bash India. My posts are American centric and so are the flags in my signatures. You do not have to respond with trolling to my post,if you have nothing positive to contribute to the discussion. Leave the Americans to discuss my concerns as these are really internal American strategic issues. Thank you.

Why don't you post me the link instead of Writing it down.

Of course its US still came to India to contain China, and still begging us to give them a out post in Indian Lands..

I've seen and read those experiences.

That's your big problem.. you see things from your side and bash out others without understanding the core issues.

Again World doesn't work as per you want

 

[Viper0011.]

Why don't you post me the link instead of Writing it down.
Again World doesn't work as per you want

There is no link to what got discussed between two senor officials of two countries. One has to be effing stupid to think that there would be links to these conversations!!!! Second, please don't worry about responding to my posts. You have nothing to contribute so why even waste posts??? My posts are for the American audience. Let them respond.