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'India's secret N-submarine project nearing completion'



BANGALORE: In a boost to India's long-standing aim to have "a nuclear weapon triad", defence minister A K Antony on Wednesday said the secretive
programme to construct indigenous nuclear submarines was on the verge of completion now.

"Things are in the final stage now in the ATV (advanced technology vessel) project. There were bottlenecks earlier...they are over now," said Antony, during the ongoing Aero India-2009 here.

The hush-hush ATV project, a euphemism for the three nuclear-powered submarines being constructed at the Visakhapatnam naval dockyard, has been dogged by a series of technical hiccups since it was formally launched as far back as 1983.

The main problem has revolved around the design of miniature PWRs (pressurised water reactors) and their containment plans for the submarine's propulsion system but sources said such technical problems are a thing of the past now, with a little help from countries like Russia and France.

Sources said there had been some delay in "launching" the first prototype of the nuclear-powered guided-missile attack submarine for sea trials but it would happen soon. Antony, on his part, said, "We will announce it when it is ready."

The Navy hopes to get the first such operational submarine by 2012 or so. Concurrently, DRDO is also working on the K-15 submarine-launched ballistic missile, which will later be integrated with the submarine.

In all, five ATVs are planned under the programme, whose cost is touching around Rs 14,000 crore now, by around 2025.

The entire aim behind the ATV programme is to have nuclear-powered submarines, armed with nuclear-tipped cruise or ballistic missiles, to ensure "credible" second-strike capabilities in consonance with India's "no-first use" nuclear doctrine.

Nuclear-powered submarines have higher speeds and can stay submerged much longer than conventional diesel-electric submarines -- which have to surface or snorkel frequently to get oxygen to recharge batteries -- and thereby provide a much more invulnerable launch pad for nuclear weapons.

Though India already has nuclear-capable aircraft and mobile land-based missiles like the 700-km Agni-I and 2,500-km Agni-II being inducted into the armed forces now, it's hoped the ATV project will finally provide it with the third leg of the nuclear triad.

India, of course, is also trying to sort out the remaining few hitches in leasing the K-152 Nerpa Akula-II class nuclear submarine from Russia for a 10-year period, as reported by TOI earlier.

India and Russia had secretly signed the deal for the Akula lease in January 2004, along with the $1.5 billion package deal for the refit of aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov and 16 MiG-29K fighters to operate from it.

With the two nations now negotiating the around $2 billion jump in the Gorshkov contract, there is a feeling that Russia is trying to extract more money for the Akula lease also. "We will get the Akula since we have paid money for it. We will use it to train our sailors for the eventual ATVs," said a senior Navy officer
 
Great, yet another nuclear strike option/capability for India.
Ohwell, all for the greater good and for keeping the south east asian region "peaceful" and stable right?
I wonder how Pakistan is going to counter this, ahwell, probably going to be another arms race which will drain precious funds which can be used for other important developments in Pakistan.
 
Very good and infact very successfull of them to have done so but is the design still the old 83 one if so wouldn't it be more a hitch for the tax payers than a beneficiary for the Indian naval forces wouldn't it?
 
Pakistan does not need to counter it.....Why? simple a nuclear sub will not stop warheads landing upon Indian cities, merely prevents All India's second strike capability being removed. Since Pak would not attempt to remove all of the warheads (India is a big country after all)In a first strike, the whole second strike is a bit pointless.
 
Pakistan does not need to counter it.....Why? simple a nuclear sub will not stop warheads landing upon Indian cities, merely prevents All India's second strike capability being removed. Since Pak would not attempt to remove all of the warheads (India is a big country after all)In a first strike, the whole second strike is a bit pointless.

Do you imply that the Pak doctrine would be to fire & perish when the 2nd strike comes ?
 
Do you imply that the Pak doctrine would be to fire & perish when the 2nd strike comes ?

I doubt that after a first strike no nation in the world would expect no response though I am sure that it would sound feasable that after a first strike any nation would have to strike a few more times but I personally believe that if things come to that India and Pakistan would be permanantly damaged and I hope it doesn't.
 
I doubt that after a first strike no nation in the world would expect no response though I am sure that it would sound feasable that after a first strike any nation would have to strike a few more times but I personally believe that if things come to that India and Pakistan would be permanantly damaged and I hope it doesn't.

I too hope that day does not come. But if it does, then so be it.
 
india has never built a conventional submarine before, yet it makes a pretty large leap to nuclear-powered submarines. nuclear-powered subs make a lot noise to begin with, they are a lot more noisy than conventional submarines. india does not have the technology or the expertise to develop a nuclear-powered submarine that's stealthy enough to avoid enemy sonars.

this ballistic missile submarine is not a lethal weapon, it's more like a sitting duck, an easy target for even our Agostas. Which is why india probably won't even move it out Mumbai or whereever it is. besides, let's see this submarine first, then we'll talk.
 
india has never built a conventional submarine before, yet it makes a pretty large leap to nuclear-powered submarines. nuclear-powered subs make a lot noise to begin with, they are a lot more noisy than conventional submarines. india does not have the technology or the expertise to develop a nuclear-powered submarine that's stealthy enough to avoid enemy sonars.

this ballistic missile submarine is not a lethal weapon, it's more like a sitting duck, an easy target for even our Agostas. Which is why india probably won't even move it out Mumbai or whereever it is. besides, let's see this submarine first, then we'll talk.

Had you even thought before typing? SSBN are supposed to be outside the theater of conflict and lurk somewhere and strike when orders are given, So according to you your subs will be running around everywhere looking for the SSBN leaving other things or what?
 
HAHA FUNNY SO ITS SECRET FIRST OFF ACCORDING TO U AND NOW SECRET IS OUT? U ALREADY KNOW ITS NEAR COMPLETION?? lol something that is secet how did u know that??:)
 
Secret in the sense, nobody know the actual specification of ATV.
 
FIRST OF ALL ATV WAS NOT A SECRET PROJECT

the systems inside the subs are never revealed by any country it is also known that its gonna carry the new surface to surface missile recently tested having a warhead of upto 700 kg and not to leave brahmos either :enjoy:

:cheers:
 
Zombie it will not carry Shourya it will carry sagarika or K 15 which is sub launched missile. BrahMos is a distant possibility because it will be used as SSBN not as SSN.
 
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