India's Sanskrit speakers seek to revive 'dead' language

[HeinzG]

From what i've heard grammatical Sinhala language is more closer to Sanskrit than modern day Hindi

@Godman @HeinzG @Saradiel @Azizam.. Any clarifications on this ?

Yes AFAIK I think Hindi is a offshoot of the Urdu language which in turn a offshoot of Persian. Anyhow I'm not an expert on linguistics.

 

[Darmashkian]

Yes AFAIK I think Hindi is a offshoot of the Urdu language which in turn a offshoot of Persian. Anyhow I'm not an expert on linguistics.

No,No

Hindi is NOT an offshot of Urdu, rather it's the other way round. Hindi is much older compared to Urdu. Yet it's difficult to say when Hindi as a language actually came into use.
http://lrs.ed.uiuc.edu/students/avatans/hindi.html

TO some Hindi is a direct descendant of Sanskrit through Prakrit and Apabhramsha.

It is undeniable that today's Hindi has been heavily influenced by Persian & Arabic words.

Hindi uses more Sanskrit words & Urdu more Persian/Arabic words

Regarding the history of Urdu, check the below link
Urdu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The History of the Urdu Language - World Digital Library

But I thought like Telugu is the one having influences from Proto Tamil and Sanskrit. If I am correct, Telugu is the first one to get separated from Proto Tamil and from Early Telugu, formed the early proto Kannada.

“దేశ భాషలందు తెలుగు లెస్స” – రాజు శ్రీకృష్ణదేవరాయ

Telugu belongs to the Dravidian family of languages,but it belongs to a different branch compared to the other 3 & it also has many loanwords from Sanskrit

According to this website:-
History of Telugu | Telugu Basha
Telugu was heavily influenced by Sanskrit and Prakrit. Telugu borrowed several features of Sanskrit that have subsequently been lost in Sanskrit’s daughter languages such as Hindi and Bengali, especially in the pronunciation of some vowels and consonants.

According to famous linguist Chenchiah, Telugu is Vikriti — that is, a language formed by modification of Sanskrit and Prakrit. It would appear that Andhras adopted a form of Prakrit, which, in the course of development, became the immediate ancestor of Telugu.

Literary texts in Telugu may be lexically Sanskrit or Sanskritized to an enormous extent, perhaps seventy percent or more, and every Telugu grammatical rule is laboriously deduced from a Sanskrit canon. Hence Sanskrit and its vocabulary influenced Telugu literature a great deal.

The words in the telugu vocabulary can be divided as follows:

1. Words of pure Telugu origin.
2. Sanskrit words introduced into Telugu according to certain fixed rules. These words contain the crude forms of Sanskrit but they assume certain terminations, in order to be assimilated to pure Telugu words.
3. Telugu corruptions of Sanskrit words, formed by the substitution, elision or insertion of letters.
4. Colloquialism: These are colloquial forms, which though commonly used by all classes, are not authorized by the rules of grammar
5. Words introduced into Telugu from foreign languages, for example Tamil or English.

The Telugu script & the Kannada script are very similar to each other. If you know 1 script, you can understand & read most letters in the other script.

But when spoken, one will find that Kannada is more similar to Tamil than Telugu.
Check 1-10 in all the Dravidian languages
Dravidian languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also Telugu belongs to the South-Central branch of the Dravidian languages compared to Tamil,Kannada & malayalam which belong to the Southern branch

@mooppan @Bombermanx1 @StormShadow

Now let me do some free publicity for Telugu-

What are some mind-blowing facts about Telugu language? - Quora

 

[scionoftheindus]

But I thought like Telugu is the one having influences from Proto Tamil and Sanskrit. If I am correct, Telugu is the first one to get separated from Proto Tamil and from Early Telugu, formed the early proto Kannada.

You are right that proto Telugu was the first to have got separated from proto Tamil but Kannada part is wrong..Kannada got separated from Tamil too..Kannada, Tamil and Malayalam are closer to one another than they are to Telugu..that is why Telugu is classified as south central Dravidian languages where as Malayalam, Tamil and Kannada are classified as south Dravidian.

A person who has some knowledge of all the four languages can clearly make out this difference.

 

[Post Colonnial]

This is a great project and offers terrific potential. There's tremendous knowledge that I think will get unlocked if large scale research is undertaken of Sanskrit works and that requires Sanskrit knowledgeable people in large numbers than now.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

No,No

Hindi is NOT an offshot of Urdu, rather it's the other way round. Hindi is much older compared to Urdu. Yet it's difficult to say when Hindi as a language actually came into use.
http://lrs.ed.uiuc.edu/students/avatans/hindi.html

TO some Hindi is a direct descendant of Sanskrit through Prakrit and Apabhramsha.

It is undeniable that today's Hindi has been heavily influenced by Persian & Arabic words.

Hindi uses more Sanskrit words & Urdu more Persian/Arabic words

Regarding the history of Urdu, check the below link
Urdu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The History of the Urdu Language - World Digital Library


“దేశ భాషలందు తెలుగు లెస్స” – రాజు శ్రీకృష్ణదేవరాయ

Telugu belongs to the Dravidian family of languages,but it belongs to a different branch compared to the other 3 & it also has many loanwords from Sanskrit

According to this website:-
History of Telugu | Telugu Basha
Telugu was heavily influenced by Sanskrit and Prakrit. Telugu borrowed several features of Sanskrit that have subsequently been lost in Sanskrit’s daughter languages such as Hindi and Bengali, especially in the pronunciation of some vowels and consonants.

According to famous linguist Chenchiah, Telugu is Vikriti — that is, a language formed by modification of Sanskrit and Prakrit. It would appear that Andhras adopted a form of Prakrit, which, in the course of development, became the immediate ancestor of Telugu.

Literary texts in Telugu may be lexically Sanskrit or Sanskritized to an enormous extent, perhaps seventy percent or more, and every Telugu grammatical rule is laboriously deduced from a Sanskrit canon. Hence Sanskrit and its vocabulary influenced Telugu literature a great deal.

The words in the telugu vocabulary can be divided as follows:

1. Words of pure Telugu origin.
2. Sanskrit words introduced into Telugu according to certain fixed rules. These words contain the crude forms of Sanskrit but they assume certain terminations, in order to be assimilated to pure Telugu words.
3. Telugu corruptions of Sanskrit words, formed by the substitution, elision or insertion of letters.
4. Colloquialism: These are colloquial forms, which though commonly used by all classes, are not authorized by the rules of grammar
5. Words introduced into Telugu from foreign languages, for example Tamil or English.

The Telugu script & the Kannada script are very similar to each other. If you know 1 script, you can understand & read most letters in the other script.

But when spoken, one will find that Kannada is more similar to Tamil than Telugu.
Check 1-10 in all the Dravidian languages
Dravidian languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also Telugu belongs to the South-Central branch of the Dravidian languages compared to Tamil,Kannada & malayalam which belong to the Southern branch

@mooppan @Bombermanx1 @StormShadow

Now let me do some free publicity for Telugu-

What are some mind-blowing facts about Telugu language? - Quora

My conclusion is based on my observation of my friend. My friend is a Telugu speaking Chennaite. He can speak Telugu and Tamil. Malayalam is not a problem for anyone who knows Tamil.
But when we went Bangalore he seemed to understand bits of pieces of Kannada though. When I asked him he told some words were familiar to Telugu, and so I understood what the vendor or bus conductor wanted to convey.

So for a Telugu speaking Tamil Naduite or Tamil Speaking Andraite, learning all languages will be easy.

You are right that proto Telugu was the first to have got separated from proto Tamil but Kannada part is wrong..Kannada got separated from Tamil too..Kannada, Tamil and Malayalam are closer to one another than they are to Telugu..that is why Telugu is classified as south central Dravidian languages where as Malayalam, Tamil and Kannada are classified as south Dravidian.

A person who has some knowledge of all the four languages can clearly make out this difference.

But some of Kannada words sounds similar to Telugu right?!

 

[Darmashkian]

My conclusion is based on my observation of my friend. My friend is a Telugu speaking Chennaite. He can speak Telugu and Tamil. Malayalam is not a problem for anyone who knows Tamil.
But when we went Bangalore he seemed to understand bits of pieces of Kannada though. When I asked him he told some words were familiar to Telugu, and so I understood what the vendor or bus conductor wanted to convey.

So for a Telugu speaking Tamil Naduite or Tamil Speaking Andraite, learning all languages will be easy.



But some of Kannada words sounds similar to Telugu right?!

Well ,even I've felt that some Tamil & Kannada words sound similar to Telugu.

After all at the end of the day we belong to the Dravidian branch of languages & you could call us cousins(Telugu-south central,tamil-south)in the same family/branch. Maybe that is why

Historical evidence has proved what I said above & wat @scion of the indus also said. I even posted links for most of what I wrote.

 

[dadeechi]

But I thought like Telugu is the one having influences from Proto Tamil and Sanskrit. If I am correct, Telugu is the first one to get separated from Proto Tamil and from Early Telugu, formed the early proto Kannada.

There are two types of Telugu

Grandhikam (Written/Formal) is almost 80% Sanskrit and Vaduka (Colloquial) is very close to Kannada & Tamil in AP and mix of Urdu in Telangana. That is one of the reasons why Telugu people pick Hindi, Kannada and Tamil quite easily.

Telugu is the bridge between North and South.

But some of Kannada words sounds similar to Telugu right?!

There are minor differences but each can pick the other easily.

For example, Milk is called Paalu in Telugu while Haalu in Kannada (Pa becomes Ha)

Telugu words ends words in "uM". For example,

Telugu Kannada
===================
Mantram Mantra
Samsaram Samsara
Dakshinam Dakshina
Pushpam
Grandham
Shabdam
Narakam

etc

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

There are two types of Telugu

Grandhikam (Written/Formal) is almost 80% Sanskrit and Vaduka (Colloquial) is very close to Kannada & Tamil in AP and mix of Urdu in Telangana. That is one of the reasons why Telugu people pick Hindi, Kannada and Tamil quite easily.

Telugu is the bridge between North and South.





There are minor differences but each can pick the other easily.

For example, Milk is called Paalu in Telugu while Haalu in Kannada (Pa becomes Ha)

Telugu words ends words in "uM". For example,

Telugu Kannada
===================
Mantram Mantra
Samsaram Samsara
Dakshinam Dakshina
Pushpam
Grandham
Shabdam
Narakam

etc

And the equivalent Tamil words for those ar

Paal for Milk
Manthiram
Samsaram
Dakshina
Pushpam or Sandosham (Happiness in Tamil)
Grandham? - Gramam means village in Tamil.
Sorgham
Naragham

 

[dadeechi]

@Gibbs I find Sinhala script very similar to Odia script

I don;t know much on Sankrit but I am very suprised the similarity between numbers

In sinhala Number one is "Eka" while in Sanskrit its "Ekam"
But it looks like modern Sinhala has changed but Sanskrit words are still used

While modern Sinhala word for 100 is "Siyaya" the Sanskrit word shatam can be found for example century is called a Shatawarshaya. Warshaya means year. So its "Hundred Years"

Most Sanskrit words for numbers are used but not used in counting.

For example octagon is called Ashtathalaya (Ashta is 8 in Sanskrit) while Pentagon is Panchashraya (Pancha being 5 in Sanskrit), Dodecagon is Dwadasathalaya (Dwadasa being 12 in Sanskrit)

Sanskrit based words in Sinhala aren't used commonly now

Yes, I think Odiya script is the most similar to Sinhala

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No idea mate, i just heard it or read some where that grammatical Sinhala is still very close to Sanskrit than Hindi.. I'm not very fluent in the Language anyway



Thanks.. Yeah that quite intriguing.. Yeah i think it's the more grammatical Sinhala not the spoken version these days

My guess is that descendants of Kaliga are related to the current Sinhala people of Srilanka.

Ashoka had his toughest battle in Kaliga after which he renounced every thing and spread Buddhism across Asia.

Brahmic scripts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalinga_(India)

And the equivalent Tamil words for those ar

Paal for Milk
Manthiram
Samsaram
Dakshina
Pushpam or Sandosham (Happiness in Tamil)
Grandham? - Gramam means village in Tamil.
Sorgham
Naragham

Gramam means village in Telugu too.
Sorgham is Swargam in Telugu for Heaven
Shabdam in telugu means Sound

Grantham - Epic (like Ramayana) - I meant the below

Grantha alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Nilgiri]

My guess is that descendants of Kaliga are related to the current Sinhala people of Srilanka.

Ashoka had his toughest battle in Kaliga after which he renounced every thing and spread Buddhism across Asia.


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Brahmic scripts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalinga_(India)






Gramam means village in Telugu too.
Sorgham is Swargam in Telugu for Heaven
Shabdam in telugu means Sound

Grantham - Epic (like Ramayana) - I meant the below

Grantha alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here are some other links you may be interested in:

Genetic studies on Sinhalese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lanka plays Bengal card

Saab, are you Telugu or Oriya?

 

[dadeechi]

Here are some other links you may be interested in:

Genetic studies on Sinhalese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lanka plays Bengal card

Saab, are you Telugu or Oriya?

Yeah, But we have to remember that the old Bengal region included from Odisha to Assam.

I strongly think Sinhala is related to Odiya at least when it comes to the script. I would even argue they are probably related to Telugu. (see below - Click on the picture to enlarge)

On a different topic, check the characters of Kannada and Telugu. They are almost identical Kannadigas and Telugu people can read each others words without any training. They share the same history under Vijayanagar empire too.

Saab, are you Telugu or Oriya?

I have one leg in AP and another in Odisha.

Here are some other links you may be interested in:

Genetic studies on Sinhalese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lanka plays Bengal card

Saab, are you Telugu or Oriya?

I come from this area (Click picture to enlarge). Do you see Modi's colony here?

@Srinivas

@Nilgiri

Check this link

what if E.Punjab, Marwad and Gujarat joined pakistan ? | Page 3

 

[Nilgiri]

I come from this area (Click picture to enlarge). Do you see Modi's colony here?

I have heard of Srikakulam

 

[dadeechi]

I have heard of Srikakulam

Not Srikakulam. Check again

 

[Nilgiri]

Not Srikakulam. Check again

Yes Gujarathipeta, a saurashtrian colony in Srikakulam right?

Such are also found across TN as well.

 

[dadeechi]

Yes Gujarathipeta, a saurashtrian colony in Srikakulam right?

Such are also found across TN as well.

Yupp