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India's retiring vice-president says intolerance in India is rising under Modi with Hindu groups

No Former Vice-president.

He did not speak earlier when he was occupying the non-political position of VP but now he is a free man and can speak his mind.

not that it is my concern.

hinting at growing intolerance is not a political statement.

Sadly the gravity of the above statement will not be understood i know
 
So lets wait till India elects a prime minister from a minority community or a Dalit to celebrate the maturity of it's electorate
The current Prime Minister of India - Narendra Modi, while not a dalit, is from a backward caste.
The last PM of India, though not even half as close to being popular as the current one - is a minority - Sikh.

Though some would debate whether Sikhs are minorities or not. Because Dharmic faiths are all cousins of each other.
 
not that it is my concern.

hinting at growing intolerance is not a political statement.

Sadly the gravity of the above statement will not be understood i know

People would have taken it seriously if it came from a neutral observer like Late President Abdul Kalam instead of from a known Islamic fanatic like Hamid Ansari.

This is like pot calling the kettle black.

This is like Islamic Republic of Pakistan giving lectures to India on secularism and human rights.
 
People would have taken it seriously if it came from a neutral observer like Late President Abdul Kalam instead of from a known Islamic fanatic.

This is like pot calling the kettle black.

This is like Islamic Republic of Pakistan giving lectures to India on secularism and human rights.

you guys just need someone to blame.

sure have it your way

i was just making a simple point
 
This is why your VICE PRESIDENT is so worried

Why would the former VP be worried? Because he cannot achieve the goal of India being part of Khilafat ? Secularism in India is euphemism for anti-nationalism. People better find a better word which has not yet been abused.
 
Can a Hindu become president or vise president in Pakistan??
There is no position as vice president in Pakistan.
Hindu or any non Muslim can become Chief Justice of Pakistan High Court. i.e Late Justice Rana Bhagwan Daas, Late Justice Alvin Robert Cornelius. or head of any state Institution. Or even federal minster of any cabinet. i.e Non Muslim can become a secretary(Bureaucratic Head) or Minister(Political Head) of any state or Provincial institution even Chief of Army staff. However non Muslim cannot become President or Prime Minister under current constitution. But can become Member national assembly and contest elections and go for any constitutional amendment by moving a resolution in National assembly.
 
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The current Prime Minister of India - Narendra Modi, while not a dalit, is from a backward caste.
The last PM of India, though not even half as close to being popular as the current one - is a minority - Sikh.

To date no minority nor a person of Dalit category have even come close to being elected as the PM of India.. Modi's Hindu right past enabled him to run on that platform and win by a huge majority hitherto unknown in India, That it self says a lot of the Indian electorate and where it stand

As for MM Singh himself being from the minority Sikh community was never Elected as the PM of India, But was appointed as a alternative to Sonia Gandhi the widow of the Gandhi dynasty that actually won the popular vote for the Prime ministership if i may remind you.. For all purposes she was a high caste Hindu in the eyes of the electorate given she was married in to the family.. Unfortunately even for her, Her Italian roots was made a impediment for her to be the PM India

Btw i'm not at any moment faulting either of these people being elected by their people cos that how democracy work, But my contention is when certain posters try to portray a few namesake minority leaders as ELECTED representatives when they're clearly not, At most times to belittle other countries lack of presumed inclusiveness or democracy

May be they do not know any better of their own political system.. India will get there i'm sure as it's population becomes more literate and knowledgeable but as of now vast majority of it's electorate remains immature in a immature democracy much like most other post colonial nations around the world
 
Modi gave away his deep-rooted prejudices for Muslims when he insulted Hamid Ansari in his farewell speech jantakareporter.com/india/modi-vp/…

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Look at the PM of India. Does he look like one?


 
To date no minority nor a person of Dalit category have even come close to being elected as the PM of India.. Modi's Hindu right past enabled him to run on that platform and win by a huge majority hitherto unknown in India, That it self says a lot of the Indian electorate and where it stand

As for MM Singh himself being from the minority Sikh community was never Elected as the PM of India, But was appointed as a alternative to Sonia Gandhi the widow of the Gandhi dynasty that actually won the popular vote for the Prime ministership if i may remind you.. For all purposes she was a high caste Hindu in the eyes of the electorate given she was married in to the family.. Unfortunately even for her, Her Italian roots was made a impediment for her to be the PM India

Btw i'm not at any moment faulting either of these people being elected by their people cos that how democracy work, But my contention is when certain posters try to portray a few namesake minority leaders as ELECTED representatives when they're clearly not, At most times to belittle other countries lack of presumed inclusiveness or democracy

May be they do not know any better of their own political system.. India will get there i'm sure as it's population becomes more literate and knowledgeable but as of now vast majority of it's electorate remains immature in a immature democracy much like most other post colonial nations around the world

LOL.... what Pure Unadulterated RUBBISH :lol:

PM of India is never ELECTED to power. India does not have a Presidential form of govt.

The public vote for Member's of Parliament , and then those elected Members of Parliament from the LARGEST Party or the largest coalition elect the Prime Minister.

Sonia Gandhi could not become PM because of two reasons,

1. Section 5 of the Indian citizenship act 1995 clearly states that rights and privileges to a foreigner who has acquired Indian citizenship will be only those as is granted to INDIANS in the concerned person's ORIGIN NATION.

Since Italy did not permit a naturalized citizen to become PM, Legally Sonia gandhi had no standing to become PM.

2. Her party did not have the necessary votes to make her PM and few of the coalition parties and a few MP's from her own party did to want her as PM. Which is why Manmohan singh a Sikh (and member of minority community) was proposed as a consensus PM candidate.


Second point, is Sikhs is a recognized "minority" in India and he was elected PM so that again negates your claim.

Third point, Rajiv Gandhi himself was only Half Hindu, he was Half Parsi. Parsi's are a Micro Minority, so again this negates your claim.

Fourth Point, Deve Gowda who was PM also came from a "Backward caste" and family. Narendra MOdi is also from a Backward caste which is more "backwards" than Vokkaliga caste (Deve Gowda's caste).


Fifth and Final point, The post of President is actually ELECTED to office unlike the post of Prime Minister. The PM is elected ONLY by his party but the President has to be elected by ALL PARTIES and from all Sates of India. So a President is more reflective of the wide consensus of all parts of India. And so far we had TWO Muslim Presidents, TWO Dalit Presidents, and TWO muslim Vice President.

And to top it all, we had a WOMEN Prime Minister, unlike Australia which only elected a women to the PM office in 2010.


So LOL at your "mature" democracy :lol:
 
Modi gave away his deep-rooted prejudices for Muslims when he insulted Hamid Ansari in his farewell speech jantakareporter.com/india/modi-vp/…

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Look at the PM of India. Does he look like one?



LOL..... but you have to admit, Modi bitch slapped Hamid Ansari in style :lol:

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/modis-sarcastic-farewell-speech-for-outgoing-vp-hamid-ansari/#.bsl5a5hiq

The Internet is abuzz with prime minister Narendra Modi's farewell speech for outgoing Vice-President Hamid Ansari delivered in the Upper House on Thursday.

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PM Modi absolutely demolished #HamidAnsari in his speech, The Sarcasm was Lethalhttp://rightlog.in/2017/08/pm-modi-hamid-ansari-01/ …

3:46 PM - Aug 10, 2017

PM Modi absolutely demolished Hamid Ansari in his speech, The Sarcasm was Lethal - rightlog.in
In a four-and-a-half-minute long message, PM Modi highlighted the wisdom and diplomatic prowess of Hamid Ansari. Now note the words in double quotes........

That's because many believe that Modi flung a lot of barbs at the two-time VP in the short parting message that must have surely left a bad taste in Ansari's mouth.

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The PM's sarcasm was so smooth that you would have to listen to the speech multiple times to make sense of the veiled attack.

'Association with Congress'

Modi started by talking about the family legacy of Hamid that actually was a reminder of his dynastic past, his long-standing connection with the Congress party and also his family's association with Khilafat Movement (a 1919-24 agitation by Indian Muslims following World War I in order to pressure the British government to preserve the authority of the Ottoman Sultan as Caliph of Islam after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire at the end of the war).

'Fundamental belief'

Modi then proceeded to remark how Ansari must have been restrained by the Constitution, as it demanded him to play an apolitical role being the Vice President.

''In last 10 years your responsibility changed considerably and you had to confine yourself strictly to Constitution. You may have been internally agitated by this, but from today can speak will have the freedom to speak your mind and to think, speak and act according to your core set of beliefs.”

But what he is believed to have meant is that now Ansari can start expressing himself freely as a representative of the Muslims, not bound by a post that expects him to speak as a voice of all Indians. Notice the emphasis on "core beliefs". Yes yes, we are sure that has everything to do with Hamid's final interview as VP for the Rajya Sabha channel.


'Certain circles'

Modi then took a jibe at Hamid's diplomatic career, saying that his beliefs must have been shaped and influenced by the time he spent in the 'Middle East'.


''You have held responsibilities and been associated with a certain 'circle' because of which you have certain opinions and perception," Modi said.

Make no mistake, 'Certain circles' refers to his association with Aligarh Muslim University as vice-chancellor and Minority Welfare Commission as the chairman.

This is seemingly a reply to the 'insecure Muslims' remark that Ansari made in his interview to journalist Karan Thapar on Wednesday: that there is a feeling of unease and insecurity among the Muslims in the country and the "ambience of acceptance" was under threat.

On Hamid's insight

What perhaps was his most brutal attack was when Modi shared his personal rapport with Ansari. Modi said, "I haven't had the opportunity of interacting with you much. But whenever I did, I noticed the insight you gave in various matters. It helped me realise that things are not always what they seem to be."


BJP supporters couldn't help but gush at the sarcasm-loaded speech by Modi:




RajeevMahatma @rajeevmahatma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaNSBNOffg&sns=tw … #HamidAnsari will never forget this speech in this lifetime, master stroke by Shri @narendramodi

6:35 PM - Aug 10, 2017

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Prime Minister Modi gives a befitting reply to VP Hamid Ansari's communal rant.

A must watch Video !! http://fb.me/1ywJz1158


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PM Narendra Modi's Surgical Strike On #HamidAnsari, After Ansari Claimed That Muslims Are Insecure In India.
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Uff. Hamid Ansari sahab must be dying inside. Every word of this speech must be like a dagger through his soul
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12:37 PM - Aug 10, 2017


Many also thought that the speech was disgraceful for a PM. Some others expressed in jest how they would dread such a farewell for themselves.

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How sick of the PM to make such remarks about an ex Vice president. Reveals his own bigoted 'core' thinking #HamidAnsarihttps://twitter.com/htTweets/status/895703250019598337 …

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Dying wish: to not be given a send-off speech like this one. Barbs wrapped in silk. This is an emperor troll at work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI3NmM1-n1M …

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Thank you Vice President Hamid Ansari for your service to this nation and the kind words you've said in your farewell interview. We will certainly work towards your suggestions.
 
Thank you Vice President Hamid Ansari for your service to this nation and the kind words you've said in your farewell interview. We will certainly work towards your suggestions.

http://citizensrightsgroup.com/hami...ast-record-as-ifs-officers-deserves-scrutiny/

Hamid Ansari Vice President of India is politically coloured in his outbursts – Past record as IFS officers deserves scrutiny.

Hamid Ansari is Vice President of a sovereign and secular India. After taking oath of the Constitution to serve the country he has to throw away his bias towards any religion, caste, creed or breed. While speaking at a function of Muslims, he openly advocated “Affirmative Action for Muslims” as the key for inclusive development. He raised many economic and political issues with regard to development of Muslim community in this function. Overall, his outbursts were a colorable exercise to raise issues related to Muslims. This action is highly unbecoming for this esteemed post to which he was elected to serve the country without bias and with dignity.

Ansari is a career diplomat and during most of his tenure he had been in Gulf or Muslim countries. He was supposed to safeguard interests of India and Indians in those countries but his track record confirms that in most of these countries he was a non-starter. R.K.Yadav a former officer of R&AW in his book “Mission R&AW” wrote about his misdemeanor in Iran where he was Indian Ambassador during 1990-92. Fortunately, I was also serving in Indian Embassy in Iran as Attaché during his tenure.

Whatever R.K.Yadav has written in his book about Ansari is factual.
In addition to these details, there were certain other incidents when RAW officers were hounded and tortured by Iranian intelligence to which Ansari was a mute spectator beyond any doubt and imagination. Some other incidents which occurred during Ansari’s period in Iran are hereinunder:

  1. Sandip Kapoor was kidnapped from Tehran Airport by Iranian intelligence when he returned from annual leave from India. He was drugged and tortured for three days and his whereabouts were never informed to the Indian Embassy. He was later thrown on a lonely road near Tehran Airport. Ansari never protested to the Iranian govt. on this diplomatic aberration much to the discomfiture of staff of the Embassy. Instead Ansari wrote to Indian govt. detailing possible faults of Sandip Kappor which was highly objectionable. Although RAW head in the Mission gave factual details to his hqrs. about this abduction, torture and drugging, but it was closed as a stray incident.
  2. In another incident, D.B.Mathur was kidnapped in the morning while he was coming for his duty in the Mission. When he was found untraceable at all possible places, the matter was brought to the notice of Ansari to take up with the Iranian govt. Amazingly, Ansari did nothing in this regard. Next day, when family members of Mathur were crying for his safety, wives of all the staff members of Embassy went to Ansari’s office and Gheraoed him for his inaction in this case. He was hurled all sorts of abuses by the ladies for his casual attitude as Ambassador. According to my sources, R.K.Yadav in the meantime met Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee at Delhi who spoke to Prime Minister Narasimha Rao. Indian govt. soon took this matter with Iran govt. Finally, Ansari was also made to run to the Iranian govt. by these ladies to bring back Mathur who had been kept in Tehran’s notorious prison with other criminals and was tortured. Later Mathur was made a scapegoat and asked to leave Tehran within 72 hrs. After this incident, Mission staff became very insecure due to callous attitude of Ansari. A former Indian diplomat working in foreign press at Bahrain wrote in this regard to which Ansari blamed RAW.
iii. Mohammad Umar another employee was picked up by the Iranian intelligence and was lured to work for them. Umar was working at the residence of Ansari at that time. Somehow, Umar freed himself from the clutches of Iranians and informed Ansari of this incident. Ansari instead of raking up this matter with Iran govt. put blame on Umar and tried to implicate Mohammad Umar for his connivance with the Iranian intelligence.

  1. Some local Indians working in the Mission were given work permits every year by the Home Deptt. of Iran. While renewing these permits, they were asked to work as their agents. When they made complaints to Ansari in this regard, he did not take any corrective action but left them to defend themselves.
  2. Even Indians working in Iran for various companies were harassed by the Iranian authorities and subjected to various hardship. But Ansari did not care about them also.
After these incidents, Ansari sent a fake report to Govt. of India suggesting to shut down the RAW unit in Indian Embassy at Iran due to their exposure with the Iranian intelligence. He cited their presence as detrimental to improving relations with Iran. He found this cue to write his suggestion because RAW Station Chief, a known womanizer, was repatriated for his illicit relation with an Iranian lady.

However, I was asked by RAW hqrs. to come on annual leave early to give correct picture of all the incidents. I gave following details of harassment of Indian staff at Tehran Embassy to the RAW hqrs.:

  1. Incidents of Sandip Kappor and D.B.Mathur and callous attitude of Ambassador Hamid Ansari in this regard.
  2. Womanizing activities of PK Venugopal, station RAW head.
iii. Harassment of T.Ashok, HOC along with his father by Iranian intelligence.

  1. Frisking of S.C.Sharma, Second Secretary while going for shopping in Tehran and impounding of his bag.
  2. Harassment of Naval Attache Capt. Seth.
  3. Trackers planted by Iranian Intelligence in Embassy vehicles.
vii. Son of Hamid Ansari was caught in inappropriate condition with ladies on 2 different occasions by the Iranian intelligence whom he personally got released.

viii. Incident of harassment of Mohammad Umar.

Among these incidents, two were only related to RAW and rest were concerned with other staff members of the Embassy. It is pertinent to mention that prior to Ansari no such incidents of harassment of Indian Embassy officials and Diplomats had taken place in Iran Even after Ansari’s departure from Tehran, no harassment of Indian Diplomat/Staff took place in Tehran.

U.A.Usmani, First Secretary (Protocol) who was working for 10 years in this position used to regularly recommend Student Visas to number of Iranian students for study in Indian Universities. These recommendations were scrutinized by Counselor Section which was under RAW officials. There were reports that Usmani was taking bribe to recommend these Visas. When this was brought to Ansari’s notice he instead of taking action against Usmani rebuked RAW head in this regard. Subsequently, RAW got these recommendations verified from the concerned Universities and detected that Usmani was using fake letters to get these Visas by taking bribe from Iranian students. Despite these concrete reports, Ansari did not take action against Usmani. What was it? A religion bias.

It was known that Hamid Ansari with the connivance of his friend Rattan Sehgal, the then JS(Pers) in MEA started campaign against RAW officers in Gulf countries citing many untoward incidents with the result many competent officers were transferred without assigning any reasons. It would be pertinent to mention here that Rattan Sehgal was asked to take retirement when he was found in company of a lady CIA official. Earlier, Rattan Sehgal who was in IB was asked by the then IB Chief, M.K. Narayanan to use his doon connections with PM Rajiv Gandhi to take the post of JS(Pers) in MEA which hitherto was with RAW. This campaign started prior to 1993 Mumbai blasts. When Mumbai bomb blast incident took place, RAW stations in Gulf were in shambles with the result such human loss took place in Mumbai. This short-sightedness and bureaucratic rivalry made this nation to pay heavy price due to such mean thinking officers.

While in Tehran, Ansari got involved with some influential families of Iran with the result his son got married in one of these families. It was highly unethical and inappropriate when he was holding such high position in that country. Had son of some RAW officers done so, there would have been a lot of hue and cry but in case of Ansari’s son, the matter was put under carpet.

There were also reports that while Ansari was serving as Ambassador in Kabul and Iran, he was visiting Pakistan under the garb of fake issues. It was highly improper for an Ambassador to do so but no action was taken despite reports in this regard.

Hamid Ansari as a gentleman is highly acclaimed in the Indian political circle but his activities while serving as an IFS officers were always questionable in view of the facts narrated above. His recent bias for Affirmative Action for Muslims is nothing new but inherent quality which he cherished long back.

(Naresh Sood)

Chairman
 
looks like the VICE PRESIDENT of india is correct:coffee::lol:

looking at the hindutva replies from his nation:agree:

Being Pakistani we couldn't give a hoot, we hated and distrusted hindus from the beginning we created two whole new regions so we didn't have live with them

Muhammed Ali Jinnah said 75 years ago what Ansari and the indian muslims are coming to understand today, now what are you going to do about it Indian muslims?
 

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