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India’s Quest for American Avenger Drones

firstly indian has NOT joined yet loo at the officail mtcr website.
http://www.mtcr.info/english/partners.html

http://www.mtcr.info/english/objectives.html
Objectives of the MTCR
The aim of the MTCR is to restrict the proliferation of missiles, complete rocket systems, unmanned air vehicles, and related technology for those systems capable of carrying a 500 kilogram payload at least 300 kilometres, as well as systems intended for the delivery of weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

Brother first read what you have written

remember india has joined the mtcr so that means no unmanned vechile with a range of 300km and weapons payload of 500kg.

First If India have joined the MTCR that means India can buy the weapons which can go behond 300 KM and payload above 500 KG.

Second India haven't joined MTCR yet, but it is almost close or about to get.

http://in.reuters.com/article/usa-india-mtcr-modi-nsg-idINKCN0YT1ID

http://thewire.in/2016/06/07/india-set-to-be-member-of-missile-technology-control-regime-41431/

Third, leave aside the fanboyism, though I am loving to read all BS Avenger, combat drone targeting terrorist hideout and training center in Pakistan, but in reality no one in India is seeking any combat drone from the USA, rather the surveillance long range drone Global Hawk.
 
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Which is exactly why India responded deep inside Pakistan's territory after Kargill and a dozen other incidents? Like I said, your diluted version of reality is much different than the actual reality I know and your military and civil planners know very well. So I'll check my opinion against Indian strategists, vs. a fanboy writing stuff with a sad state of blind patriotism. You are welcome to go on with your version of the reality that's stuck in your head. I think this topic is done so please don't quote me again.
The issue was international pressure on not getting inside Pakistan. I could agree that our political leadership might not approve stick for lot of reasons.
1) We have more to lose
2) Political Pressure.
3) Pakistan's bluff.

Its my view, Pakistan is getting away with its bluff. Indian's typically do not like to initiate attack its their psyche.
 
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Man the very second post by a Pakistani member and it went to NUKEs.

It was in response to your silly post.

On topic, the US won't sell these (armed version). Aside from the RAF, no one else operates them. Besides what happened to India's drone program?
 
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It was in response to your silly post.

On topic, the US won't sell these. Aside from the RAF, no one else operates them. Besides what happened to India's drone program?
we dont have the avenger we have the reaper drones only the uk france and austraila are allowed to arm them.

as for the avenger canada may get them but will be for isr only not combat. if they choose to buy it then they will get it.
 
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we dont have the avenger we have the reaper drones only the uk france and austraila are allowed to arm them.

as for the avenger canada may get them but will be for isr only not combat. if they choose to buy it then they will get it.

Yes the Reaper, what I meant was some sort of armed variant.
 
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Hell, we dont need any UAV's. The thought of some jackass civilian leader ordering a strike in Pakistan and the resulting armed conflict is enough to give nightmares. Keep those weapons yo yourself
 
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They will say no, just like the Rafale deal this one will also die.



Then we will just continue to produce our own and buy Chinese ones at the same time. Besides, drones aren't really that useful in A2A combat.
Rafale are also coming, the deal worth $8 ~ billion.

India has the money to buy whatever military wants.
 
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Rafale are also coming, the deal worth $8 ~ billion.

India has the money to buy whatever military wants.

It's been over a year, they aren't coming. Even if they do come, you will have spent billions of dollars on a measly 36 jets. You could of gotten over 100 Sukhoi's for that money.
 
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You could of gotten over 100 Sukhoi's for that money.
That's Air Forces concern not for us to decide on defence Forums.

FYI, Flankers and Rafale belong to different category with former as a true Air Superiority Fighter while Rafale a Multi Role.
 
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That's Air Forces concern not for us to decide on defence Forums.

FYI, Flankers and Rafale belong to different category with former as a true Air Superiority Fighter while Rafale a Multi Role.

I don't care what the role is, all I'm saying is that India is going to either waste its money or get nothing.
 
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On topic, the US won't sell these (armed version). Aside from the RAF, no one else operates them. Besides what happened to India's drone program?

No body in India is seeking the Armed drone from US, rather the Long range High altitude Surveillance Drone.


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This article will give you some Idea about the drones plan of India

http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...a-finalizes-3b-blueprint-uav-fleets/81637026/

NEW DELHI — Indian defense forces have finalized a blueprint to procure more than 5,000 UAVs over the next 10 years for about US $3 billion, and tenders will be restricted to domestic companies that can tie up with foreign firms, said a Ministry of Defence source.

Lack of industrial expertise, combined with delays and cost overruns, have stymied past efforts to develop and produce indigenous UAVs for tactical requirements. These efforts also were limited to state-owned companies.

"In the future, the private sector will be involved in a big way to meet all future requirements of UAVs," said an MoD official.

In the next three to five years, the Indian Army proposes to equip UAVs down to the battalion level, while the Air Force plans to have fully operational squadrons of surveillance UAVs and unmanned combat aerial vehicles (UCAV).

The plan includes the induction of many man-portable mini and micro UAVs for short-range surveillance, and nuclear, biological, chemical detection in the battlefield.

The Indian Army, Air Force and Navy propose to buy tactical UAVs, high-altitude long-endurance (HALE) UAVs, vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) UAVs, and medium-altitude, long-endurance (MALE) UAVs.

Homegrown Programs Underway

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is developing a variety of UAVs for the services, including:

• Air Force: Three Rustom UCAVs and one ground station at a cost of $60 million; two stealth UCAVs called autonomous unmanned research aircraft (AURA) and one ground station for $75 million; 30 Nirbhay UAVs and unspecified numbers of Lakshya-II remotely piloted high speed target drones at a cost of $531,687 per unit.

• Navy: Three Rustom UCAVs and one ground station for $60 million with 12 more to come; 10 MALE Rustoms at a cost of $225 million; four Pawan mini UAVs for $33.2 million; 50 air- and ship-launched Nirbhay UAVs; three rotary UAVs at a cost of $232 million; unspecified numbers of Netra micro UAVs for $50,000 per unit; and Gagan tactical UAVs at a cost of $55 million with help from Israel.

• Army:Three Rustom UCAVs and one ground station at a cost of $60 million and 12 more in the future; 10 Rustom-2 UCAVs for $342.3 million; 12 Nishant UAVs at a cost of $5 million each; and three hybrid mini-UAVs and one ground station for $350,000.

DRDO is also supplying about 25 Netra micro UAVs to Indian paramilitary forces at a cost of $50,000 per unit.

An MoD source said that in the next two years, fresh tenders will be floated for a variety of UAVs, and that a concept study has been started on development of a bomber UAV and a fighter UAV.

Major programs that have been finalized for the Army include induction of 500 mini and macro UAVs and an unspecified number of HALE UAVs; for the Air Force are an unspecified number of UCAVs, 95 micro unmanned aerial systems and an unspecified number of small VTOL and mini unmanned aerial systems; for the Navy are 95 micro unmanned aerial systems and unspecified numbers of HALE UAVs costing around $200 million.

In addition, DRDO also has an independent unmanned surveillance air vehicle on the drawing board, which is similar to the X-45 and X-47 developed in the US and is also scouting for a partner to develop a solar-powered HALE UAV.

Currently Indian defense forces are operating Israeli-made Searcher Mark I, Searcher Mark II, Heron and Herop UAVs and the Indian-made Nishant UAV.
 
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