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India's Nuclear Agreement

Pakistan should urge china & frnace to co operate with it. But i'm pleased with the statement of Dr. Samar Mubarakmand that we have the atomic technology for which india is trying now.
My question to all the world is that where is CTBT & NPT...




:pakistan:PAKISTAN ZINDA BAAD
 
India is desperate for Uranium Enrichment Technology. It has tried and failed miserably to set up viable enrichment facilities, so much so that at one point the Indian Nuclear Scientists alleged that Pakistan was bluffing about its Nuclear Capabalities, because they said Uranium Enrichment is so intricate, complicated and difficult, that if the Indian Scientists couldn't do it, the Pakistanis definitely couldn't. It was along with this advice that India conducted its test at pokharan, assuming that Pakistan had not advanced to a stage of getting uranium highly enriched. Thats when they got "Munh ki khai", so to speak.

India desperately needs it, to counter the thermonuclear threat posed by Pakistan, as it is lagging behind in the said technology, with Pakistan quickly improving the Qaulity of its Nuclear Arsenal.

Now with this deal, India will openly be able to get such technlogies under civilian use, which will then be cleverly diverted to military use, as has happened with India's other civilian Nuclear infrastructure.

Pakistan is much further ahead, with now its Plutonium technology also going paces, and would very soon be if not on a par with INdia's but at least bring more equlibrium. As mentioned above, Pakistan's Uranium enrichment technology is years ahead of India's and will remain so in the forseeable future.

Digvijaya
 
India is desperate for Uranium Enrichment Technology. It has tried and failed miserably to set up viable enrichment facilities, so much so that at one point the Indian Nuclear Scientists alleged that Pakistan was bluffing about its Nuclear Capabalities, because they said Uranium Enrichment is so intricate, complicated and difficult, that if the Indian Scientists couldn't do it, the Pakistanis definitely couldn't. It was along with this advice that India conducted its test at pokharan, assuming that Pakistan had not advanced to a stage of getting uranium highly enriched. Thats when they got "Munh ki khai", so to speak.

India desperately needs it, to counter the thermonuclear threat posed by Pakistan, as it is lagging behind in the said technology, with Pakistan quickly improving the Qaulity of its Nuclear Arsenal.

Now with this deal, India will openly be able to get such technlogies under civilian use, which will then be cleverly diverted to military use, as has happened with India's other civilian Nuclear infrastructure.

Pakistan is much further ahead, with now its Plutonium technology also going paces, and would very soon be if not on a par with INdia's but at least bring more equlibrium. As mentioned above, Pakistan's Uranium enrichment technology is years ahead of India's and will remain so in the forseeable future.

Digvijaya

I do not think you really understand the meaning of this nuckear deal for India. Its not at all 100% targeted for nuclear technology or immediate energy solution, the biggest problem is solves that India is out of denial regime.

Another point -- What do you think, Pakistan has developed the enrichment technology? Its available in black market, if Pakistan can get this, then any country can get it including India.
 
It's not about getting the technology, it is about implementing it. You can get the blue prints, but you have to make the centrifuges yourselves. Indians for years have tried to make the centrifuges, with blue prints, but were not able to make them of the required standard.

It has been said copying is an art, and that statement rings true in this regard. If this had been so easy to do, India would not be lagging behind Pakistan in uranium enrichment at the moment.
 
Any credible report to support that India lags behind Pakistan in enrichment technology?
 
Any credible report to support that India lags behind Pakistan in enrichment technology?

I read it in book 'In the line of fire'. Book also says that blue prints of Pakistani centrifuges have also been bought by india and what ever technology india have is stolen from Pakistan.
Thanks to AQKhan who was supplying such classified information to a Dubai based tamil network.
 
http://isis-online.org/global_stocks/end2003/de_facto_nws.pdf

On page 2, you will find that India's uranium quantities are as low as 10 percent of pakistani stocks, and even that can be an exageration, and below that it is explained that the Indians have only been able to enrich uranium upto 20-30 percent, not enough for a nuclear weapon which needs more than 90 percent.

This uranium is needed for thermo nuclear weapons and nuclear submarines. India has a lot to do to catch up with Pakistan, and Pakistan is quickly progressing to make up the gap in plutonium production.
 
http://isis-online.org/global_stocks/end2003/de_facto_nws.pdf

On page 2, you will find that India's uranium quantities are as low as 10 percent of pakistani stocks, and even that can be an exageration, and below that it is explained that the Indians have only been able to enrich uranium upto 20-30 percent, not enough for a nuclear weapon which needs more than 90 percent.

This uranium is needed for thermo nuclear weapons and nuclear submarines. India has a lot to do to catch up with Pakistan, and Pakistan is quickly progressing to make up the gap in plutonium production.

India has the capability to use thorium cycle based processes to extract nuclear fuel. This is of special significance to the Indian nuclear power generation strategy as India has large reserves of thorium — about 360,000 tonnes — that can fuel nuclear projects for an estimated 2,500 years. The higher construction expense of the Fast Breeder Reactor in comparison with the Pressurised Heavy Water Reactors (PHWR) in use is one of the main reasons why India is looking at the cheaper option - uranium fuel.
 
Its difficult to prove who is more advanced however do ponder over statistics

Some Statistics
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India mines 6 times more Uranium than Pakistan as per Uranium Mining

India has 4th Largest resources of Thorium (For FBR) Thorium
 
http://isis-online.org/global_stocks/end2003/de_facto_nws.pdf

On page 2, you will find that India's uranium quantities are as low as 10 percent of pakistani stocks, and even that can be an exageration, and below that it is explained that the Indians have only been able to enrich uranium upto 20-30 percent, not enough for a nuclear weapon which needs more than 90 percent.

This uranium is needed for thermo nuclear weapons and nuclear submarines. India has a lot to do to catch up with Pakistan, and Pakistan is quickly progressing to make up the gap in plutonium production.


India's enriched Uranium quantities are as low as 10% to Pakistan...... thats true but it is not because India doesnt have technology or Indian doesnt know anything about it.......It is because India has chossen different path to develope its nuclear weapon program....India's Nuclear weapon program is based upon the plutonium........ The normal reactors produces Plutonium as a spent fuel but It is not suitable for weapon program. To produce the weapon grade plutonium it requires special type of reactor. there are two reactors in India, cyrus and dhruva which are producing weapon grade plutonium at the moment.

The other point you have bought up is that Indians have only been able to enriched the Uranium about 30%........In India only one known urenium enrichment plant is there near Maysur in south India, and that could be for the nuclear submarine program....... US nuclear submarine uses about 60% enriched uranium for reactors....Russian uses about 30 to 40% of the enriched Uranium for submarine reactors since our nuclear submarine program is based upon the Russian nuclear submarine program ..... I belive our requirement is only for 30 to 40% of the enriched urenium.....which means the Indian establishment doesnt fill the need for produsing highly enriched urenium.

as far as this deal is concerned it is specificaly for the Urenium as we dont have enough urenium reserves.......and our FBR will take atleast a decade to fully develope, the 500Mv prototype will be ready in 2010...
This deal will do two things for India
1) It will be used as stop gap measure for India to produce clean energy to fullfil the high demand of energy in the country in the era of global warming and High crued price as I said the FBR will take atleast 10 to 15 years after that we wont need the deal.
2) It will take the pressure off from the weapon program as the local uranium will be used for the weaponisation and for civilian reactors we can now import uranium. India has as many as 6 active reactor which are build for the civilian purpose and they are consuming local uranium at the cost of weapon program but now because of the N deal we wont have to use the local uranium and can concentrate fully on the weapon program.
 
That is good in that case Pakistan may not even require NSG approval. But it would need it for further investments and latest technologies.

NSG approval is a must to attract FDI in future but for the time being its just China and Pakistan and our money. Latest technologies are out of question as China only has one export design, the one installed in Chasnupp.
 
Pakistan's EPR is not even close to the research India has done in EPR and FBR, yet India lags behind in EPR technologies and would buy them along with the reactors.

You can't compare India with Pakistan as we both have different nuclear doctrine and requirement and unlike India our nuclear programme is less or almost non transparant.
US analysts believe that Pakistani programme is much more advanced than known.
 
Neo what confuses me is India still mines 6 times of Uranium than Pakistan as per Uranium Mining

Transparancy issues mate, do you expect us to publish full details of our resources or capabilities? A decade ago the whole nuclear industry was a mystery, whatever info we thought was right to leak we leaked to the media from time to time. Correct figuers about produced Uranium ore or yello cake would only result into more pressure and questions.
 
No India-like nuclear deal for Pak, says US

Washington: The US has ruled out an India like civil nuclear deal with Pakistan for the present, saying India's case "was unique in the respect of a long history of Indian behaviour".

"At the moment, I'm not aware of a contemplation of a similar such deal at this time with Pakistan," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said on Thursday when asked about Islamabad's demand for such a deal.

Asked if Pakistan's call did not seem to vindicate the concern of non-proliferation advocates, he said: "Well, of course, some may ask for similar such treatment. The India case, however, we believed was unique and was unique in the respect of a long history of Indian behaviour that was there for all to see."

When asked if the Pakistanis had raised this issue recently, McCormack said: "In the most recent meeting with the Secretary (of State Condoleeza Rice), that's the only one I can personally speak to at this point. That issue did not come up."

"I know that the issue has come up periodically in public. I think I've had to answer questions about it before and our position is the same," he added.


The spokesman also ruled out a change for the present regarding US stand on a permanent seat for India in the UN Security Council.

Asked if India might play a greater role in the top UN body following the civil nuclear deal, given that the US wants to further integrate India with the rest of the world, he noted: "India has previously expressed an interest in a seat on the Security Council".

"There are a lot of questions with regard to the Security Council," he said. "And those are all issues that have had a long history of discussion, and I would expect that discussion will continue out into the future as well beyond this administration."

Asked whether Rice was going to New Delhi to sign the nuclear deal, the spokesman declined to say one way or the other.

"They're obviously going to talk about the agreement and what it means for the relationship. And just her going there, at this time, is going to be a historic agreement. If there's any further ceremonies with respect to this, we'll let you know. But I don't have anything to announce at this point," McCormack said.

The spokesman acknowledged that President George W. Bush has to still sign the approval bill passed by the US Congress. There will be a number of other administrative or bureaucratic steps along the way, but these "bureaucratic things" did not indicate any obstacles, he said.

"But make no mistake about it, the action that the House and then the Senate last night took was historic. It, in our view, will mean a different kind of relationship between the United States and India for decades to come," McCormack said.

Asked why Rice was planning to meet Indian opposition leader LK Advani during her New Delhi trip, McCormack said: "It's very typical. When she takes these trips, she meets with leaders from across the political spectrum.

"Obviously, she's going to meet with government officials, but also to meet with important opposition leaders and -- you know, she's done it in Europe, she's done it in countries all around the world, I think, in virtually every continent she's travelled to," he said.
 
No India-like nuclear deal for Pak, says US

:lol: we already know that US is going to offer us the same.

Secondly even if it offers us the same nuke deal it will harm us badly as US is not going to give us any concession rather the deal will be like a last nail in our already achieved nuclear strength.

So i believe that those who desire or wish to have similar deal with US are only fooling themselves.
It would be much better for us to workout such deals with other countries like China and France, or speed up defence pacts with other countries.
 

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