India’s Move in Kashmir: More Than 2,000 Rounded Up With No Recourse; NY TIMES

[Rafeh]

What aryan brotherhood lol. Seems like something we could read in Nazi manifesto lol.

Do you think you would get the same attention that I get when being in a western country. because that's may not be true. Chances of a Bengali being treated better than Pakistanis on average are not that high.

Its that what gets us more attention, is that part I was talking about. We have it and you don't. Its true and its real. its not racism. Its just the reality of this world. Western people do care how other people look. Its their "nazism" not ours. You were trying to portray as I believe treating people based on skin color. Read the whole thing in the context. Stop acting like an indian troll.

At the same time, we are what we are. People do treat us based on how we look. Not every Pakistani is "pretty or handsome" but in general its true that Pakistani facial features and skin tones does gives them advantage in front of those westerners who are very racists and looks sensitive. It just is. Its not our fault, its those racists westerners fault. We are not nazi, those westerners are, who are more drawn to those who are either closer in facial anatomy or skin tones to them (or both). When we interact with people, a lots of things draws them towards us. Acknowledging reality of those things is "being real".

I was NOT being Nazi. I personally don't believe in race, because my Allah does not.

However, same Allah in absolute clarity orders me in Quran, that:

1. If I become a personal friend or have romantic relationship then I will be treated with them on the day of judgement.


2. If I became friends with those "friends of non-muslims (e.g. indian muslims)", or have relationship of the heart (i.e. romance) with those "friends of non-muslims" then I will be treated with them along with their non-muslim friends on the day of judgment.

These are two consecutive verses in Quran along with warning in Quran that if you "dismissed" the verses of Quran you are not muslim.

That's why I strongly believe not to interact with any ethnicity that is indian centric. This is because in future when I get married, I don't want my children to be drawn to a "hindu civilizations. That includes indian muslims. An overwhelming number of them are living like brothers and sisters with their hindu countrymen. Even in this city where I live, india muslims and hindues are living in such relationships.

indiam muslims have love affairs with their Hindus (quite common in men but increasingly in girls too, I know 3 indian muslims girls student arrived recently from india in melbourne who are living with 2 Hindues and one with a christian. Many of their their parents probably don't know. The one in the melbourne uni recently broke up with her punjabi Hindu and asked me that " since her parents don't approve she is dating a hindu (they found out and she seemed to have no shame over it), do i know anyone from Pakistan who is educated, white off course (she implied) and masculine since she does not like indian muslims", I polity told her that I can't help her. The other one who works in an india-fijian movie shop in Glenroy was kissing him when I got there to get Pakistani groceries. The point is at the end they marry muslims for social safety but secretly all goes on. its very rare in pakistan if at all, I never met any like that from Pakistan. But If I did, I will throw them out of my life the same way. If my own family becomes like that, I will cut "my own ethnicity out of my life too". its as simple. My true source of existence Allah matters to me than anything else in my life.

Indian muslims men consider it normal to have such relationship with hindus. Indian muslims fight war along side with their hindu brothers, they fill internet forums with Pakistan hatred filled slurs yet we say arabs are racist but indians muslims are not. Why that's not nazism of indian sort. Its still leaving islam for the race at the end. 6 million Kashmir can do what 200 million indian muslim don't want to do.

Indian muslims show just as much racism as much some arabs (very few arabs not all, gulf arabs do not treat worse than we treat Pakistani servants in Pakistan) yet we are told indians are helpless beings forced to behave this way when in truth they are just racist, they just they love their india, their indian races, their individual ethnicity.

Arabs leaders may be corrupt but average arab girl does not starts staring at every indian hindu that passes by. They ignore them and stay away from them and hence makes a much safer choice as wife as far as islam is concerned for my future generation than indian ever would.

So yes I stay away from those ethnicities who bring us closer to hindues due to their own cultural, emotional and social closeness to them. Indian men or women, regardless of religion are deeply attracted to each other. They start staring, showing interest, and feel attraction the moment the other indian turns up. That's contradicts my values and values of majority of Pakisanis.

In future when I get married and have children, I don't want them to mix with such ethnicties so that they are more drawn to muslim majority countries who stay away from hindues.

Hindu present much greater risk then Christians or others since they chase us, try to make us believe that we and they are the same which is dangerous. since some of our future generation might fall for that. That's strategic risk to islam.

Any Pakistani who is attracted to india is precisely the one who still lives "indian ways" and has indian mentality. we don't want that Pakistani either. I don't talk to them even if tomorrow they turned out to my own cousins. Its not nazism, its islamism.

yes I do extend this to all people regardless of their skin color. I have a fair skin and a eupreans face but I don't go around chasing western girls either. That is I don't "love" fair skin people either. If they pose strategic threat to islam like indians do or they are at war with islam, they can go to hell too.

I an naturally attracted to scarf wearing Muslim girls of all skin tones and types. I am not romantically engaged right now but long ago the only girl I wanted to marry was from somalia. Sadly her father did not agree. She was not aryan, she was african. I am an aryan but aryans can go to hell too, if they are not muslims.

I don't have any non-muslim friend. I am temporarily here for a business just like Australians are in Pakistan doing their business. It does not means they have to fell in love with pakistanis nor do I have to fell in love with them. I am returning to Pakistan in 2022-23 to start an aerospace corporation there anyway.

I only accept muslims from muslim majority countries regardless of how they look. If you can't understand that, its your problem.

P.S. I won't reply on this topic to any. Its complex and takes time. which I don't have. i don't reply to indians they can think whatever the like. On the other hand, those indians who respect the fact that we are different from them, have our own unique sense of self, and leave us alone, I respect them. For us is our way, for them is their way.

 

[Politico]

Do you think you would get the same attention that I get when being in a western country. because that's may not be true. Chances of a Bengali being treated better than Pakistanis on average are not that high.

Its that what gets us more attention, is that part I was talking about. We have it and you don't. Its true and its real. its not racism. Its just the reality of this world. Western people do care how other people look. Its their "nazism" not ours. You were trying to portray as I believe treating people based on skin color. Read the whole thing in the context. Stop acting like an indian troll.

At the same time, we are what we are. People do treat us based on how we look. Not every Pakistani is "pretty or handsome" but in general its true that Pakistani facial features and skin tones does gives them advantage in front of those westerners who are very racists and looks sensitive. It just is. Its not our fault, its those racists westerners fault. We are not nazi, those westerners are, who are more drawn to those who are either closer in facial anatomy or skin tones to them (or both). When we interact with people, a lots of things draws them towards us. Acknowledging reality of those things is "being real".

I was NOT being Nazi. I personally don't believe in race, because my Allah does not.

However, same Allah in absolute clarity orders me in Quran, that:

1. If I become a personal friend or have romantic relationship then I will be treated with them on the day of judgement.


2. If I became friends with those "friends of non-muslims (e.g. indian muslims)", or have relationship of the heart (i.e. romance) with those "friends of non-muslims" then I will be treated with them along with their non-muslim friends on the day of judgment.

These are two consecutive verses in Quran along with warning in Quran that if you "dismissed" the verses of Quran you are not muslim.

That's why I strongly believe not to interact with any ethnicity that is indian centric. This is because in future when I get married, I don't want my children to be drawn to a "hindu civilizations. That includes indian muslims. An overwhelming number of them are living like brothers and sisters with their hindu countrymen. Even in this city where I live, india muslims and hindues are living in such relationships.

indiam muslims have love affairs with their Hindus (quite common in men but increasingly in girls too, I know 3 indian muslims girls student arrived recently from india in melbourne who are living with 2 Hindues and one with a christian. Many of their their parents probably don't know. The one in the melbourne uni recently broke up with her punjabi Hindu and asked me that " since her parents don't approve she is dating a hindu (they found out and she seemed to have no shame over it), do i know anyone from Pakistan who is educated, white off course (she implied) and masculine since she does not like indian muslims", I polity her told can't help her. The other one who works in an india-fijian movie shop in Glenroy was kissing him when I got there to get Pakistani groceries. The point is at the end they marry muslims for social safety but secretly all goes on. its very rare in pakistan if at all, I never met any like that from Pakistan. But If I did, I will throw them out of my life the same way. If my own family becomes like that, I will cut "my own ethnicity out of my life too". its as simple. My true source of existence Allah matters to me than anything else in my life.

Indian muslims men consider it normal to have such relationship with hindus. Indian muslims fight war along side with their hindu brothers, they fill internet forums with Pakistan hatred slurs yet we say arabs are racist but indians muslims are not. Why that's not nazism of indian sort. Its still leaving islam for the race at the end. 6 million Kashmir can do what 200 million indian muslim don't want to do.

Indian muslims show just as much racism as much some arabs (very few arabs not all, gulf arabs do not treat worse than we treat Pakistani servants in Pakistan) yet we are told indians are helpless beings forced to behave this way when in truth they are just racist, they just they love their india, their indian races, their individual ethnicity.

Arabs leaders may be corrupt but average arab girl does not starts staring at every indian hindu that passes by. They ignore them and stay away from them and hence makes a much safer choice as wife as far as islam is concerned for my future generation than indian ever would.

So yes I stay away from those ethnicities who bring us closer to hindues due to their own cultural, emotional and social closeness to them. Indian men or women, regardless of religion are deeply attracted to each other. They start staring, showing interest, and feel attraction the moment the other indian turns up. That's contradicts my values and values of majority of Pakisanis.

In future when I get married and have children, I don't want them to mix with such ethnicties so that they are more drawn to muslim majority countries who stay away from hindues.

Hindu present much greater risk then Christians or others since they chase us, try to make us believe that we and they are the same which is dangerous. since some of our future generation might fall for that. That's strategic risk to islam.

Any Pakistani who is attracted to india is precisely the one who still lives "indian ways" and has indian mentality. we don't want that Pakistani either. I don't talk to them even if tomorrow they turned out to my own cousins. Its not nazism, its islamism.

yes I do extend this to all people regardless of their skin color. I have a fair skin and a eupreans face but I don't go around chasing western girls either. That is I don't "love" fair skin people either. If they pose strategic threat to islam like indians do or they are at war with islam, they can go to hell too.

I an naturally attracted to scarf wearing Muslim girls of all skin tones and types. I am not romantically engaged right now but long ago the only girl I wanted to marry was from somalia. Sadly her father did not agree. She was not aryan, she was black african. I am arayn but aryans can go to hell too, if they are not muslims.

I don't have any non-muslim friend. I am temporarily here for a business just like Australians are in Pakistan doing their business. It does not means they have to fell in love with pakistanis nor do I have to fell in love with them. I am returning to Pakistan in 2022-23 to start an aerospace corporation there anyway.

I only accept muslims from muslim majority countries regardless of how they look. If you can't understand that, its your problem.

P.S. I won't reply on this topic to any. Its complex and takes time. which I don't have. i don't reply to indians they can think whatever the like. On the other hand, those indians who respect the fact that we are different from them, have our own unique sense of self, and leave us alone, I respect them. For us is our way, for them is their way.

What about the Bangladeshi? Are they "Aryan" as well ?

 

[Rafeh]

What about the Bangladeshi? Are they "Aryan" as well ?

Bangladeshis are austro-asiatic people with some other regional admixtures (e.g. Dravidian) like most indians (majoriy of remaining indians are mostly south indian or mongols along with some aryans in some high casts (some only since many high cast are "fake high casts"). Some high cast aryan priests did go to banladesh too but in very small numbers. A tiny number of pashtunes and punabis did settled there but they are not significant part of Bangladesh.


It does not matter. I don't personally care who is aryan or who is not. We must never as muslims. We all the same and equal.


I just don't want any non-muslim culture influencing affecting our future generation so much so that they may lose touch with islam.

Once again, we should not care about such things as muslims. Its not just haram in islam but also does not make sense. Because a lot of people find other ethnicities more attractive. A whole world loves latinos and finds them "hot". so European or Aryan or other people are not special in anyway.


Every ethnicity has their market, the group of people who find them attractive

 

[hoursintel]

Do you think you would get the same attention that I get when being in a western country. because that's may not be true. Chances of a Bengali being treated better than Pakistanis on average are not that high.

Its that what gets us more attention, is that part I was talking about. We have it and you don't. Its true and its real. its not racism. Its just the reality of this world. Western people do care how other people look. Its their "nazism" not ours. You were trying to portray as I believe treating people based on skin color. Read the whole thing in the context. Stop acting like an indian troll.

At the same time, we are what we are. People do treat us based on how we look. Not every Pakistani is "pretty or handsome" but in general its true that Pakistani facial features and skin tones does gives them advantage in front of those westerners who are very racists and looks sensitive. It just is. Its not our fault, its those racists westerners fault. We are not nazi, those westerners are, who are more drawn to those who are either closer in facial anatomy or skin tones to them (or both). When we interact with people, a lots of things draws them towards us. Acknowledging reality of those things is "being real".

I was NOT being Nazi. I personally don't believe in race, because my Allah does not.

However, same Allah in absolute clarity orders me in Quran, that:

1. If I become a personal friend or have romantic relationship then I will be treated with them on the day of judgement.


2. If I became friends with those "friends of non-muslims (e.g. indian muslims)", or have relationship of the heart (i.e. romance) with those "friends of non-muslims" then I will be treated with them along with their non-muslim friends on the day of judgment.

These are two consecutive verses in Quran along with warning in Quran that if you "dismissed" the verses of Quran you are not muslim.

That's why I strongly believe not to interact with any ethnicity that is indian centric. This is because in future when I get married, I don't want my children to be drawn to a "hindu civilizations. That includes indian muslims. An overwhelming number of them are living like brothers and sisters with their hindu countrymen. Even in this city where I live, india muslims and hindues are living in such relationships.

indiam muslims have love affairs with their Hindus (quite common in men but increasingly in girls too, I know 3 indian muslims girls student arrived recently from india in melbourne who are living with 2 Hindues and one with a christian. Many of their their parents probably don't know. The one in the melbourne uni recently broke up with her punjabi Hindu and asked me that " since her parents don't approve she is dating a hindu (they found out and she seemed to have no shame over it), do i know anyone from Pakistan who is educated, white off course (she implied) and masculine since she does not like indian muslims", I polity her told can't help her. The other one who works in an india-fijian movie shop in Glenroy was kissing him when I got there to get Pakistani groceries. The point is at the end they marry muslims for social safety but secretly all goes on. its very rare in pakistan if at all, I never met any like that from Pakistan. But If I did, I will throw them out of my life the same way. If my own family becomes like that, I will cut "my own ethnicity out of my life too". its as simple. My true source of existence Allah matters to me than anything else in my life.

Indian muslims men consider it normal to have such relationship with hindus. Indian muslims fight war along side with their hindu brothers, they fill internet forums with Pakistan hatred slurs yet we say arabs are racist but indians muslims are not. Why that's not nazism of indian sort. Its still leaving islam for the race at the end. 6 million Kashmir can do what 200 million indian muslim don't want to do.

Indian muslims show just as much racism as much some arabs (very few arabs not all, gulf arabs do not treat worse than we treat Pakistani servants in Pakistan) yet we are told indians are helpless beings forced to behave this way when in truth they are just racist, they just they love their india, their indian races, their individual ethnicity.

Arabs leaders may be corrupt but average arab girl does not starts staring at every indian hindu that passes by. They ignore them and stay away from them and hence makes a much safer choice as wife as far as islam is concerned for my future generation than indian ever would.

So yes I stay away from those ethnicities who bring us closer to hindues due to their own cultural, emotional and social closeness to them. Indian men or women, regardless of religion are deeply attracted to each other. They start staring, showing interest, and feel attraction the moment the other indian turns up. That's contradicts my values and values of majority of Pakisanis.

In future when I get married and have children, I don't want them to mix with such ethnicties so that they are more drawn to muslim majority countries who stay away from hindues.

Hindu present much greater risk then Christians or others since they chase us, try to make us believe that we and they are the same which is dangerous. since some of our future generation might fall for that. That's strategic risk to islam.

Any Pakistani who is attracted to india is precisely the one who still lives "indian ways" and has indian mentality. we don't want that Pakistani either. I don't talk to them even if tomorrow they turned out to my own cousins. Its not nazism, its islamism.

yes I do extend this to all people regardless of their skin color. I have a fair skin and a eupreans face but I don't go around chasing western girls either. That is I don't "love" fair skin people either. If they pose strategic threat to islam like indians do or they are at war with islam, they can go to hell too.

I an naturally attracted to scarf wearing Muslim girls of all skin tones and types. I am not romantically engaged right now but long ago the only girl I wanted to marry was from somalia. Sadly her father did not agree. She was not aryan, she was black african. I am arayn but aryans can go to hell too, if they are not muslims.

I don't have any non-muslim friend. I am temporarily here for a business just like Australians are in Pakistan doing their business. It does not means they have to fell in love with pakistanis nor do I have to fell in love with them. I am returning to Pakistan in 2022-23 to start an aerospace corporation there anyway.

I only accept muslims from muslim majority countries regardless of how they look. If you can't understand that, its your problem.

P.S. I won't reply on this topic to any. Its complex and takes time. which I don't have. i don't reply to indians they can think whatever the like. On the other hand, those indians who respect the fact that we are different from them, have our own unique sense of self, and leave us alone, I respect them. For us is our way, for them is their way.

Wow you went largely off topic. It's interesting. It tells volumes about your psyche. I wonder why would you get so defensive, it wasn't a personal comment.

The word "Aryan" even comes from Sanskrit term arya (“noble” or “distinguished”), the linguistic root of the word, was actually a social rather than an ethnic epithet.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Aryan

But Aryanism was mostly popularized during Hitlers time as Nazi ideology thought it as a "Superior Race". Even though scientifically there is no genetic base for this mythical race. Read what Heinrich Himmler thought the ancient Aryan scripture was, the "Bhagavad Gita".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race#Nazism


Anyways on to the topic at hand. I don't think the seldom attention from western media means anything.

1. They do this all the time. They talked about Israeli brutality, they talked about Rohingyas, they talked about Yemenis, they publicized how bush didn't find WMD in Iraq etc etc. But people still die and no real action is taken. So whatever.

2. In west general sentiment in media is that Pakistanis are terrorist. Even though my Pakistani brothers are the worst victims of terrorism and lost 70000+ people due to this.

3. IMF has approved 6bn$ in loans to Pakistan and first batch of 1bn$ should have already arrived. IMF cares for its money.

There might be other reasons. But these are things I can think of.

 

[Rafeh]

Wow you went largely off topic. It's interesting. It tells volumes about your psyche. I wonder why would you get so defensive, it wasn't a personal comment.

The word "Aryan" even comes from Sanskrit term arya (“noble” or “distinguished”), the linguistic root of the word, was actually a social rather than an ethnic epithet.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Aryan

But Aryanism was mostly popularized during Hitlers time as Nazi ideology thought it as a "Superior Race". Even though scientifically there is no genetic base for this mythical race. Read what Heinrich Himmler thought the ancient Aryan scripture was, the "Bhagavad Gita".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race#Nazism


Anyways on to the topic at hand. I don't think the seldom attention from western media means anything.

1. They do this all the time. They talked about Israeli brutality, they talked about Rohingyas, they talked about Yemenis, they publicized how bush didn't find WMD in Iraq etc etc. But people still die and no real action is taken. So whatever.

2. In west general sentiment in media is that Pakistanis are terrorist. Even though my Pakistani brothers are the worst victims of terrorism and lost 70000+ people due to this.

3. IMF has approved 6bn$ in loans to Pakistan and first batch of 1bn$ should have already arrived. IMF cares for its money.

There might be other reasons. But these are things I can think of.

New genetic studies have ample evidence of people moving from russian steppe to moving to Pakistan who largely remained in Pakistan only and only a tiny percentage of them ever moved outside of Pakistan (i.e. india). They are referred to Aryans in literature. Later Scythian (from russian Caucasus) called indo-scynthians moved to Pakistan.

Scythian (a mix of Eurasian people with Germanic, Greek and Caucasus components) only settled in Pakistan and never left Pakistan, never leaving the boundary of Punjab. They created the largest and the only Pakistani empire called Gandhara. These scythians tribes who settled down in Pakistan are called indo-scythians.

Thanks to these indo-scythians, Pakistanis are related to russian muslims in Caucasus region today.

Then Kurdish tribes moved to Pakistan (also referred to Aryan related) and created Parthian empire. They too never left pakistan.

Whether you call these people aryans, emma watson, or "tish tish tans" it does not matter.

For us its just name tag to refer to these kind of people. You can call them "just Pakistani". That's actually what we call them now. Which we love more than another.

I was just trying why the hell someone cares about muslims of Kashmir. it was like brain storming and not meant to be a real reason.

No they did not care about Pakistan before. rohingya were supported because they western wanted to punish burma for their pro chinese stance. Palestine is supported because they is resentment with jews too. Otherwise Muslims are genuinely hated.

coming back to people from russian called aryans. They largely settled in Pakistan, since two third of Pakistan was part of aryana, their strong hold from which the word aryan came from.

A tiny percentage of aryans did go to india from what is now called Pakistan as priest to convert them in to various types of Hinduism (its not a unified religion as many think).

They wrote those religious books you are talking about and had references to aryan

Overwhelming majority of indians are not aryans (only some high cast have 60% or so aryan ancestral component but only some high cast not all, they were those priests, many high casts are “fake high casts”).

Pakistan is a place where overwhelming of majority of Aryan and Scythians settled, a group of euroasian people.

Two third of Pakistan including parts of western punjab and sindh was integral part of region called Arayna from which aryan word came from. For 300 years whole of punjab was part of that aryana when they crossed over and settled in the remaining part of punjab.

Most punjabi clans are aryan tribes who settled here and over time due to hot weather and less meat consumption developed varying skin tones from brown to white (meat is required to increase pheomelanin that gives white skin tones over few generation but only if you have at least some Aryan genes). Also climate change your face to dissipates heat better Over time. That’s effects looks. Our genome remains same. Only transcription (which genes are active and which are not at a given time) is affected. Rest of Pakistan and Kashmir is similar.

Aryans are not "German People" but Euro-asian people who are real since we, Iran, Afghanistan are real. These were mixture of various ethnicities from central asia, russia, eastern europe, middle east, and turkish like tribes. There was no pure aryan race. Still aryns is reference to all these bunch of people.

You can call us abc. I could not care about aryan. For me, aryan is just a word to keep indians away who turn up forcing themselves on us. Since majority of those "aryans" settled in Pakistan region, I can use that to tell them to leave me alone by saying we have our unique ethnic, cultural and religious identity

I don't mean to be racist. Since indian don't understand that the religion matters so much or it can matter so much, we just tell them all this, still a historic fact, to keep them away.

whatever works. otherwise, they will keep on telling us, we have Muslims too. Hence the aryan card, fair skin talk, whatever works to push them away. its puts them off more than anything else.

MY identity is muslim I do care that I am muslim. That is my sole identity. aryan is name tag meaning a just a reference to certain group of people. The Supermacy of aryans was a German idea which they pulled out of thin air. German are related to Eurasian people but no one is pure race. There is no such thing among humans as pure race. we are all mixtures of lots things.

The point is this, one last time, indians are not that attached to their religious identity specially when it comes to romantic relationships. SO we can't tell them to please stop showing your affection because we have different religion. SO I tell them I am different race or ethnicity. That works. Whatever works.

With the rest of muslims brothers and sisters I don't mention the word "aryan" etc. with them I have no identity except islam. All muslims are one of my " own race" regardless of which ethnicity they belong to.

You are welcome to bring alternative theories. Theories accepted by mainstream scientists with rigorous research proves who came from where. For me I just use that tell Indians I don't want to be your friends, I am related to "iranian" which came from the word aryan. every where you go Indians are staring at you, everywhere you go, they wanna be your friends. These indian girls don't understand there is no such mixing or having love affairs with Pakistanis. They think they have birth right on us over other muslim girls. They don't.

This is my last post. Please lets ends us.