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It is similar to Burma in language & culture. Not much similarity with Chinese except for Mongoloid features.
India's Manipur Freedom Fighters (UNLF) and their latest demands
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It is similar to Burma in language & culture. Not much similarity with Chinese except for Mongoloid features.
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the Meitei script is the only script in the northeastern states of India . in this script you will see the similarity between the Chinese and some of the spoken language is also similar to it !!!
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Bloody incompetent babus.
WHAT THE **** are these UNLF riff-raff still doing after 60 years? They should be hunted like animals and hanged from the lampposts.
WHAT THE **** are these UNLF riff-raff still doing after 60 years? They should be hunted like animals and hanged from the lampposts.
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What rubbish. In that case India should invade Pakistan and Iran and Burma and Thailand and Afghanistan because they are "similar" to India in terms of language.
Of course border regions of India share some similarities with border regions of Neighbouring countries. it is quite obvious.
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that doesn't mean that they should go the Chinese , they are happy and content with India . the problem comes up when they are treated second class citizen. and meitei insurgency started much after seventies .unlike other militant like the nscn or ulfa
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After they have been hunted and hanged , when their sons and daughters will still live in hunger , proverty and as second class citizens in their own country referred to as chinkis , they will come back again and hunt for hypocrats like you.
Do you want to have a peaceful and intelligent solution or be part of the problem?
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Assam rebel group lays down arms
One of the most dreaded rebel armies of India's troubled north-east has begun surrendering weapons to facilitate a final settlement, officials said.
More than 200 rebels from the Black Widows group have given in their weapons so far, police said.
The Black Widows is a breakaway faction of the Dima Halim Daogah, a group fighting for an independent homeland for the Dimasa tribe.
The rebels have regularly attacked security forces and migrant workers.
More than 200 people have died in Assam's North Cachar Hills district in attacks by Black Widows.
'Lot of ammunition'
"We are putting the weapons under double locks. They will be with us and the rebels will be kept in designated camps and will not move around with weapons," Assam's police chief Shankar Barua told the BBC.
The surrender is being led by the organisation's deputy, Daniel Dimasa. The group's chief Jewel Garlossa is in jail.
The Black Widow is a breakaway faction of the Dima Halim Daogah (DHD).
Four years ago, the DHD started negotiations with Delhi but the Black Widows continued its armed activity.
It is responsible for a spate of murders, attacks on railways and road transport and the group has ambushed patrols and convoys of security forces.
But recently the Black Widows group has been crippled by a series of reverses, including the arrest of their chief in June.
This is the first time a rebel group in the north-east has surrendered their weapons before starting negotiations.
The Assam government had said the Black Widows would have to surrender its weapons by 15 September for any "meaningful discussions" to be held.
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in india one of our issue is subject knowledge of our own history.But we still have to open our mouth, may be just for the cause of god knows what. We love videshi items and forget to read about our own history. In the history textbooks in schools in NE, you will find the whole indian history, starting from king Bharat to Cholas to Mauryas to Mughals to British, even though most of them werent even able to rull in NE. But in other states history books, how many articles do you find in NE.
How many of our literate bros know that Maitei-mayek script is derived from Brahmi script and is not the only script in NE.
OR
that major languages like assamese, meitei-lon(Manipuri), bengali and maithili of bihar are derived from Purv Nagari script which is close to Devnagri script.
Or
that Hidimbi, wife of Bhima and mother of Ghatotkacha in the Mahabharat is from the very foothills of Manipur.
Can I ask you bro, how the spoken and written langusge of Manipur is even remotely similar to Chinese ???? This is not what manipuris say .
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Dear fellow indian bros, please be part of a solution or suggestions to the govt , rather than spreading hetread and creating confusions among ourselves.
Millitancy is a grassroot problem and are always based on some ideologies and partly because of neglect, hatred , illtreatment and exploitation. Military crackdown is not the solution for this kind of ideologies. Cleaver and intelligent solutions with workable promises works.
Not the kind of politics that Nehru played. Divided assam into seven states and promised independence to some of them.
Instead of hetred and illtreatment , let us give them the sense of pride in representing the country and benefit of its lead in globalization.
Give them the honour to fight for the country instead of being misguided by devils from outside world. There are strong representation of people from NE in the defence forces and lets encourage them to keep doing the same.
A could logical solution can be found in the end of the next post where the Naga Millitancy case is presented.
Millitancy is a grassroot problem and are always based on some ideologies and partly because of neglect, hatred , illtreatment and exploitation. Military crackdown is not the solution for this kind of ideologies. Cleaver and intelligent solutions with workable promises works.
Not the kind of politics that Nehru played. Divided assam into seven states and promised independence to some of them.
Instead of hetred and illtreatment , let us give them the sense of pride in representing the country and benefit of its lead in globalization.
Give them the honour to fight for the country instead of being misguided by devils from outside world. There are strong representation of people from NE in the defence forces and lets encourage them to keep doing the same.
A could logical solution can be found in the end of the next post where the Naga Millitancy case is presented.
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Identity, Insurgency and Development: The Naga Case
By: Dr Sajal Nag
The Naga struggle for sovereignty has been the first and longest of the secessionist-turned-insurgency movements in South Asia which had posed the foremost challenge to the nascent Indian nation-state. At the core of the Naga self assertion was the question of its identity. Nagas defined themselves as a separate nation as opposed to the Indian nation and demanded the right to self determination. When it was not granted to them, they appropriated the politics of secessionism to achieve the goal of Naga nation-state.
What has been done: Early Modes of Negotiations
The early Indian leadership appreciated and empathized with the Naga identity crisis, their fear and apprehension of the tiny tribe amidst the multitude of other Indians. Nehru appreciated the Naga exclusivity as they were excluded from the sensation of being in the Indian national movement by the British. In his letter to T Sakhire on August 1, 1946 Nehru tried to allay the fear and apprehensions of the Nagas and envisioned a model which would perfectly suit them. In fact even before the Nagas themselves had visualized the quantum of autonomy, Nehru had promised it to them with a model which subsequently became paradigm of tribal development.
Nehru promised Nagas all the protection even before the Constituent Assembly had discussed the Indian Constitution. Mahatma Gandhi went a step further and said that Nagas have every right to be independent. On the question of being forced to join India, Gandhi said, He (Governor of Assam) cannot do that. I will come to the Naga Hills. I will ask them to shoot me first before one Naga is shot. Gopinath Bordoloi painstakingly incorporated all the principles that Nehru enunciated in constructing that hugely important piece of legislation called the Sixth Schedule which provided protection not only to the Nagas but other tribal as well. Nehru went much ahead, overruled massive opposition and granted statehood to a population of seven lakh not under home ministry as was the law but foreign affair ministry. But with the disappearance of this band of leadership such resilience also disappeared which was responsible for non-resolution of the problems which required different outlook.
Post Nationalist Phase: the disasters
In the second phase we find a series of accords between the Nagas and governments of India. Accords failed because they aimed at pacification not addressing the real problem and whenever it failed it was back to the use of army.
The army operation has disfigured the social fabric of the Naga society and economy. The coercive measures that started in 1953 with the mass arrest of NNC leaders continue to this day. There were draconian laws like the promulgation of Naga Hills Disturbed Area Ordinance and Assam Maintenance of Public Order Act of 1953. The Armed Forces Special Power Act 1958 was promulgated adding muscle to the power of the army. More brute power was added by the legislation of Nagaland Security Regulation Act of 1962 and North East Armed Forces Special Power Act was amended in 1972 to make it more brutal. The result was disastrous. Villages were uprooted and rearranged in the name of grouping, youths arrested or tortured forcing them to move underground, women targeted, economy destroyed, social life transformed. Prolonged army operation for an astonishingly long period from 1953 till this day is capable of destroying any social fabric which it did. The depression and the consequent alcoholism and drug addiction by generations of Naga youth is a major result of this non-existent socio-cultural life.
What has not been done?
In fact the core issue of identity had never been addressed neither at an academic level or political level. The Indian intellectual in general showed total disdain and apathy to understand and win over the Naga. It has to be premised that Naga identity as was constructed in the 1940s was based on its primordial principles. In the context of modernity it needed to be modernized. The way despite the existence 370-A, a modern school, college, university, clinic, hospital, electricity, housing, food habit, TV, radio, telephone, mobile and such inventions of modern science and technology were acceptable to the Naga without interfering their tradition and custom, being a constituent of a multi-nationality Indian union was not antithetical to the Naga identity. This idea was not communicated to the Nagas.
Nagaland is in a pathetic state of development. The communication, level of poverty, employment, agriculture, infra structure in Naga Hills is non-existent to say the least. There is no sign of a modern state in Nagaland. Peace and submission to the will Indian state was made a prerequisite to development. It appeared that Nagaland have been punished for demanding autonomy by depriving its development. It is a mystery why peace negotiations and development could not be coeval. How will Nagaland catch up with the sixty years that it lagged behind has to be thought about now?
What should be done?
It is ironical when the rest of India is reaping the benefit of globalization and liberation the lack of basic amenities is an issue in Nagaland. The argument that pre-requisite of development is peace is untenable. Doling out cash money and abdicating responsibility thereafter would be only a continuation of the old policies. Nagaland has to be opened up to South East Asian countries like Myanmar. Chindwin River is not very far. Through it an opening to the Bay of Bengal is a possibility. The social capital of Nagaland has to be nurtured. Nagaland had been granted an Institute of Mass Communication, Centre for Culture etc which are misplaced. What Nagaland needs a Medical College, and Engineering College, regional offices of Sports authority of India and centres of Information Technology. Medical Colleges would improve the abysmal health facilities in the region by training their own manpower. The Engineering College similarly can produce graduates who would have the skill to exploit the huge mineral wealth of the hills. It has been granted a Central University but it has been negligent in appointing its Vice Chancellors. Nagas have produced world class footballers like T AO and Basant Kabui who led Indian football team in the Olympics. Even now individual Naga players are paid players in Bengal Football League. But neither fields nor coaching facilities are available to the Naga youth. It is an established fact that Naga are naturally endowed with special skill in sports like Table Tennis and Badminton but the political climate or the physical amenities are absent to nurture these talents. Promotion of sports culture and amenities is absolutely essential as a part of development package. Nagaland is naturally endowed with geographical features which would allow trekking, rock climbing, river rafting and such adventure sports. Nagaland has the unique monument of War Cemetery where the remains of the European soldiers of the Second World War are preserved. This pilgrimage to this war cemetery should not be confined to only relative of the war victims but general European tourists. Like the Khonoma village more and more model villages should be developed. It would encourage ethno-tourism through which foreign tourist could get a glimpse of traditional Naga life and tradition. Naga handicrafts, ethnic garments and artifacts symbolizing Naga identity can reach world market through the tourists. Army can clear their tarnished name to some extent by adopting village and see their growth and transition to twenty-first century.
The writer is Professor of History, Assam Central University, Silchar
Courtesy: www.cdpsindia.com)
By: Dr Sajal Nag
The Naga struggle for sovereignty has been the first and longest of the secessionist-turned-insurgency movements in South Asia which had posed the foremost challenge to the nascent Indian nation-state. At the core of the Naga self assertion was the question of its identity. Nagas defined themselves as a separate nation as opposed to the Indian nation and demanded the right to self determination. When it was not granted to them, they appropriated the politics of secessionism to achieve the goal of Naga nation-state.
What has been done: Early Modes of Negotiations
The early Indian leadership appreciated and empathized with the Naga identity crisis, their fear and apprehension of the tiny tribe amidst the multitude of other Indians. Nehru appreciated the Naga exclusivity as they were excluded from the sensation of being in the Indian national movement by the British. In his letter to T Sakhire on August 1, 1946 Nehru tried to allay the fear and apprehensions of the Nagas and envisioned a model which would perfectly suit them. In fact even before the Nagas themselves had visualized the quantum of autonomy, Nehru had promised it to them with a model which subsequently became paradigm of tribal development.
Nehru promised Nagas all the protection even before the Constituent Assembly had discussed the Indian Constitution. Mahatma Gandhi went a step further and said that Nagas have every right to be independent. On the question of being forced to join India, Gandhi said, He (Governor of Assam) cannot do that. I will come to the Naga Hills. I will ask them to shoot me first before one Naga is shot. Gopinath Bordoloi painstakingly incorporated all the principles that Nehru enunciated in constructing that hugely important piece of legislation called the Sixth Schedule which provided protection not only to the Nagas but other tribal as well. Nehru went much ahead, overruled massive opposition and granted statehood to a population of seven lakh not under home ministry as was the law but foreign affair ministry. But with the disappearance of this band of leadership such resilience also disappeared which was responsible for non-resolution of the problems which required different outlook.
Post Nationalist Phase: the disasters
In the second phase we find a series of accords between the Nagas and governments of India. Accords failed because they aimed at pacification not addressing the real problem and whenever it failed it was back to the use of army.
The army operation has disfigured the social fabric of the Naga society and economy. The coercive measures that started in 1953 with the mass arrest of NNC leaders continue to this day. There were draconian laws like the promulgation of Naga Hills Disturbed Area Ordinance and Assam Maintenance of Public Order Act of 1953. The Armed Forces Special Power Act 1958 was promulgated adding muscle to the power of the army. More brute power was added by the legislation of Nagaland Security Regulation Act of 1962 and North East Armed Forces Special Power Act was amended in 1972 to make it more brutal. The result was disastrous. Villages were uprooted and rearranged in the name of grouping, youths arrested or tortured forcing them to move underground, women targeted, economy destroyed, social life transformed. Prolonged army operation for an astonishingly long period from 1953 till this day is capable of destroying any social fabric which it did. The depression and the consequent alcoholism and drug addiction by generations of Naga youth is a major result of this non-existent socio-cultural life.
What has not been done?
In fact the core issue of identity had never been addressed neither at an academic level or political level. The Indian intellectual in general showed total disdain and apathy to understand and win over the Naga. It has to be premised that Naga identity as was constructed in the 1940s was based on its primordial principles. In the context of modernity it needed to be modernized. The way despite the existence 370-A, a modern school, college, university, clinic, hospital, electricity, housing, food habit, TV, radio, telephone, mobile and such inventions of modern science and technology were acceptable to the Naga without interfering their tradition and custom, being a constituent of a multi-nationality Indian union was not antithetical to the Naga identity. This idea was not communicated to the Nagas.
Nagaland is in a pathetic state of development. The communication, level of poverty, employment, agriculture, infra structure in Naga Hills is non-existent to say the least. There is no sign of a modern state in Nagaland. Peace and submission to the will Indian state was made a prerequisite to development. It appeared that Nagaland have been punished for demanding autonomy by depriving its development. It is a mystery why peace negotiations and development could not be coeval. How will Nagaland catch up with the sixty years that it lagged behind has to be thought about now?
What should be done?
It is ironical when the rest of India is reaping the benefit of globalization and liberation the lack of basic amenities is an issue in Nagaland. The argument that pre-requisite of development is peace is untenable. Doling out cash money and abdicating responsibility thereafter would be only a continuation of the old policies. Nagaland has to be opened up to South East Asian countries like Myanmar. Chindwin River is not very far. Through it an opening to the Bay of Bengal is a possibility. The social capital of Nagaland has to be nurtured. Nagaland had been granted an Institute of Mass Communication, Centre for Culture etc which are misplaced. What Nagaland needs a Medical College, and Engineering College, regional offices of Sports authority of India and centres of Information Technology. Medical Colleges would improve the abysmal health facilities in the region by training their own manpower. The Engineering College similarly can produce graduates who would have the skill to exploit the huge mineral wealth of the hills. It has been granted a Central University but it has been negligent in appointing its Vice Chancellors. Nagas have produced world class footballers like T AO and Basant Kabui who led Indian football team in the Olympics. Even now individual Naga players are paid players in Bengal Football League. But neither fields nor coaching facilities are available to the Naga youth. It is an established fact that Naga are naturally endowed with special skill in sports like Table Tennis and Badminton but the political climate or the physical amenities are absent to nurture these talents. Promotion of sports culture and amenities is absolutely essential as a part of development package. Nagaland is naturally endowed with geographical features which would allow trekking, rock climbing, river rafting and such adventure sports. Nagaland has the unique monument of War Cemetery where the remains of the European soldiers of the Second World War are preserved. This pilgrimage to this war cemetery should not be confined to only relative of the war victims but general European tourists. Like the Khonoma village more and more model villages should be developed. It would encourage ethno-tourism through which foreign tourist could get a glimpse of traditional Naga life and tradition. Naga handicrafts, ethnic garments and artifacts symbolizing Naga identity can reach world market through the tourists. Army can clear their tarnished name to some extent by adopting village and see their growth and transition to twenty-first century.
The writer is Professor of History, Assam Central University, Silchar
Courtesy: www.cdpsindia.com)
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meitei mayek is completely different from the Devnagri script. when the Hinduism is embrace by the then king the meitei script is burned and adopted Bengal script ,which you will still find today in most of the newspaper
the history of the "that Hidimbi, wife of Bhima and mother of Ghatotkacha in the ramayana is from the very foothills of Manipur"
is the version of Hinduism after it spreads across Manipur .
In any time did it mention of the connectivity of Mahabharata or Ramayana in the history of Meitei ,they are just culmination of Hinduism during the reign of king converted to Hinduism
THE MANIPUR PAGE:ARTS CULTURE HISTORY PEOPLE MEITEI and MORE
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Read the above post. Where does it mention it is Devnagri? it is a Brahmi script. The one u posted is Brahmi script.
What is Bengal Script?? There is no such Script. Read the post again. Bengali, Assamese, Manipuri(Meitei-lon) are derived from PurvNagri (Eastern Nagri Script). An online search will help you get some info.
Read the post. It doesn't say she was Meitei. She was an Asur .
Ashuras were in plenty in Assam and in foothills of Manipur before Lord Krishna killed the most prominent of their King , Narkasura .( Narakasura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) . Before, dying, the Asura requested a boon that his death anniversary should be celebrated by all people on earth. This day is celebrated as 'Naraka Chaturdashi' - the first day of Diwali . There are two reasonf for which Diwali is celebrated (Return of Rama to Ayodhya and The Killing of Narakasura )
Diwali - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Some also believe that Hidimba and Hidimbi were in Manali in himachal pradesh where Bhim encoubtered them . There is a Hidimbi Devi temple in Manali presently. This is more unlikely as she was first not a Devi. She was an Ashur who along with her brother actually planned to kill Bhim but later fell in love after seeing him. Considering the solid history of ashuras in assam which also finds mention of Narkashura in Kalika Puran, the other story holds more valid.
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I said it not Devanagari .and even brahmi is not uncertain cause of uncertain history but definitely not Devanagari
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Meitei was forced to used the eastern nagri script by the then king when he embrace the Hinduism
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In yours previous post you mention
in any way did in the history of Manipur there is nothing connection of Mahabharata or Ramayana .this story born of the Hinduism embrace by the then king during 17 to 18 century and enforced to the Meitei people
THE MANIPUR PAGE:ARTS CULTURE HISTORY PEOPLE MEITEI and MORE
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Too much information going on here.. whther they look like.. or have a close relation to any cultures across the world... they are in india, and indians should consider them as indians. The military act was a neccessity due the insurgency. but it has to be periodically reviewed. Else it will create a frustration among locals just like in kashmir. The issue is not how pakistanis are highlighitng this issue, the issue is how well indians are ready to consider manipuris as indias, i am sure that majority of indians know manipuris as india from the map and know nothing about their unique culture.
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