INDIA'S INABILITY TO BUILD UAVS rues former DRDO chief

[Xenophon]

Now indians here are a pretending as they know more then their former drdo chief .
As they pretend to know better then their retired generals who speak in favour of PAK .

 

[gslv mk3]

Now indians here are a pretending as they know more then their former drdo chief .

No one said we knew better.He meant we are behind China in developing drones

 

[war&peace]

The Indian version of Indigenous Dhruv.

You really stripped indians naked in the street. Keep the good work up bro....jealous pathetic indians

 

[gslv mk3]

You really stripped indians naked in the street. Keep the good work up bro....jealous pathetic indians

What ? Develop a scooter engine in your country first dude

 

[Maarkhoor]

Bhai inki Aukaat se bhaar ki cheez he RUSTAM -2

Ye sala Rustam-1 kab bana jo Rustam-ii market mien agya lolsssssss

What ? Develop a scooter engine in your country first dude

Bhonkany se pehley do some research

 

[gslv mk3]

Bhonkany se pehley do some research

What ?

 

[Windjammer]

You really stripped indians naked in the street. Keep the good work up bro....jealous pathetic indians

Strip and whip.
And this is their so called indigenous LCA Tejas, Just check how much foreign help has gone into it, yet still after all this input and period, it's surviving on repeated deadlines.



Admiral J G Nadkarni (retd)
The sad tale of the LCA
Last month, Indian defence authorities quietly announced that India's prestigious Light Combat Aircraft, originally to have become operational in 1995, will not achieve that status before 2015. The euphoria over the first flight of the prototype a few days later, however, helped to push that stark news off the front pages.

The LCA programme was initiated in 1983 by the Defence Research and Development Organisation, with three widely publicised assertions. One, that it would be an indigenous project catapulting India into the rarefied ranks of global aviation powers. Two, the aircraft would enter frontline squadron service by 1995. And three, the project would only cost Rs 700 crores (Rs 7 billion).

What actually happened between 1983 and 2000? First, let us take the promise of indigenous development. In 1986 an agreement was quietly signed with the United States that permitted DRDO to work with four US Air force laboratories. The to-be-indigenously-developed engine for the LCA -- Kaveri -- was forgotten and the US made General Electric F-404 engine was substituted. Radar was sourced from Erricson Ferranti, carbon-fibre composite panels for wings from Alenia and fly-by-wire controls from Lockheed Martin. Design help was sought from British Aerospace, Avion Marcel Dassault and Deutsche Aerospace. Wind tunnel testing was done in the US, Russia and France. As for armaments -- missiles, guns, rockets and bombs -- every last item was to be imported.

As for operational induction, anyone who knew anything about fighter aircraft development or the capabilities of the DRDO would have known that the envisaged 12-year time frame (1983-1995) was /pure make-believe.

Yet, as late as 1990, DRDO asserted that the 1995 target would be met. It was only when 1995 drew closer that the talk shifted from operational induction to test flights. In 1998, the defence minister stated that the first test flight would take place in 1999. The first flight finally took place a few days ago, 17 years after the project started.

As for the project cost, the original budget was Rs 700 crores. It was later revised to Rs 3,000 crores (Rs 30 billion). It would easily go past Rs 10,000 crores (Rs 100 billion) before the aircraft is inducted into operational service. And that is with DRDO incurring only about a quarter of the overall development costs. Not included are the cost of the huge amounts of foreign equipment being fitted; engine, radar, electronic warfare and communication equipment, high-stress body panels, cockpit displays and the entire range of armament.

Initially it was stated that the per copy price of an LCA would be Rs 10 crores (Rs 100 million). It would be a miracle if the LCA can ever be produced at less than Rs 150 crores (Rs 1.5 billion) a copy. And if the LCA is eventually inducted in 2015, what will the Indian Air Force get? It will get an aircraft at best comparable to first generation F-16s.

One of the DRDO's favourite phrases is 'state of the art,' and according to them everything of the LCA is state of the art. In the fighter aircraft field, to be state of the art, at least from 1990, an aircraft must be designed for 'stealth', that is having virtually no radar or thermal signature. Not even DRDO has so far claimed that the LCA is a stealth aircraft, or that it is capable of being made into one. Forget stealth, the LCA is incapable of any significant upgrading at all during its lifetime. It is a very small, single-engined aircraft tightly packed with equipment. It cannot be fitted with a bigger engine or expanded avionics.

What prompted the DRDO to conceive the LCA when Israel, technologically far more advanced than India, had abandoned its Lavi fighter project after spending more than $ 2 billion on it? Aircraft development costs had mounted so much by then that far richer-countries compared to India such as Britain, France and Germany had realised that unless they formed multinational consortia it would not be possible for them to develop sophisticated, modern aircraft. That is why beginning the late 1970s we have had Eurofighters and Eurocopters, where three or four countries share costs and buying commitments.

It can be said with certainty that the LCA will never become a frontline fighter with the Indian Air Force. The Mirage 2000s and the Mig-29s that the air force has been flying from the 1980s have superior capabilities to any LCA that might be inducted in 2015, 2020 or 2025. So the most prudent thing for the government would be to immediately terminate the LCA project. National and individual egos have been satisfied after the first flight.

The Rs 3,000 crores or so that have spent so far could be put down as the price of a valuable learning experience. We would have undoubtedly gained valuable knowledge in many areas of aircraft design and engineering. But of much greater value, we would have gained the understanding that defence R&D is not a make-believe game to be played by exploiting the fascination for techno-nationalism.

The LCA ranks alongside DRDO's other monumental failures such as the Arjun tank, the Trishul and the Akash missiles, and the Kaveri engine. The time and cost overruns on these projects have been enormous. The story of the Arjun is well known.

With the induction of the T-90, there is no way the Arjun is going to spearhead India's armoured divisions. In fact there are many who believe that the T-72 inducted two decades ago is a better tank than the Arjun. The reality of Arjun seems to be finally sinking in, and it would appear that it might end up not as a battle tank, but as a platform for a 155mm howitzer.

The short-range, surface-to-air-missile Trishul was to be fitted on three Indian Navy frigates in 1992. A decade later, the missile is still carrying out "successful" tests, long after the frigates have been completed. The same story goes for the medium-range, surface-to-air missile Akash and the anti-tank missile Nag.

During the last 20 years, DRDO has fine-tuned the art of selling projects. To start with, don't be timid and aim low. In true Parkinsonian style, the more ambitious the project, greater the chance of it being sanctioned. When the presentation is made to the minister, be generous with phrases such as "state-of-the art". Also mention that we will be the third country in the world to produce the equipment. (It is always the "third" as even the minister knows that the USA and Russia already produce the same).

If a service chief demurs, make snide remarks about how the services want to import everything. And keep the estimated cost of the project absurdly low. Once the project is sanctioned, feed the media with a steady stream of unverifiable tidbits. Bring out a mock-up model and show it round at the Republic Day parade and defence exhibitions.

In recent times DRDO and India's defence services have evolved a modus vivendi. No longer does DRDO oppose imports, provided they are allowed to continue with their projects. Thus, import Su-30s and develop the LCA. Import T-90 tanks and produce Arjun. Import Israeli UAV and continue with a similar indigenous project. The only victim in this you-scratch-my-back-I-scratch-yours game is the Indian taxpayer, who unfortunately does not seem to care.

And the joker in the pack will once again drag in something about Pakistan to comfort his hurt something.

 

[silent poison]

Ye sala Rustam-1 kab bana jo Rustam-ii market mien agya lolsssssss


Bhonkany se pehley do some research

Rustam - 1 and 2 are two different drones not upgrade of one .!

 

[xyxmt]

yeah that why we are making all sort of long range BMs , SLBM, SLCM, AAM, SAM, BDM, Anti-ship missile, AESA rader, AWACS, nuclear subs, Aircraft carrier, destryers, frigates,corvettes, OPVs, MCIWS which your country still think of

get happy on steel cutting of some 500 tonne patrol fishing boat

Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,
and Russia.

wait for Russia to make UAV then you can make it indigenously

 

[gslv mk3]

Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,
and Russia.

None of these are Russian - what's your point,kid ?

Radar was sourced from Erricson Ferranti, carbon-fibre composite panels for wings from Alenia and fly-by-wire controls from Lockheed Martin. Design help was sought from British Aerospace, Avion Marcel Dassault and Deutsche Aerospace. Wind tunnel testing was done in the US, Russia and France. As for armaments -- missiles, guns, rockets and bombs -- every last item was to be imported.

Wrong - wrong-wrong-wrong

I don't know where to start from

Two, the aircraft would enter frontline squadron service by 1995.

GOI approves full scale engineering development phase only in april 1993

Radar was sourced from Erricson Ferranti

It was never sourced from Erricson !!

carbon-fibre composite panels for wings from Alenia

How did you make this happen? What were the big challenges? I suppose one big challenge was that we were doing it for the first time. The design of the wing also posed difficult challenges. We were also very concerned about allowables determination. There were so many tests to be undertaken and there was so little time! There were times when we based our decisions more on reviews of published literature and the advice of our consultants: British Aerospace and Alenia. It was satisfying when subsequent test programmes validated our technical assumptions.

http://www.nal.res.in/pdf/ipmar00.pdf

fly-by-wire controls from Lockheed Martin

What ? FBW software was developed by Indians & was tested in the US,pre-pokhran !!

Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: The Iron Bird Team: A Tejas story never told before!

Wind tunnel testing was done in the US, Russia and France

Most of it was done here,in India.So what ?

 

[Chanakyaa]

Tumari backside bandh hey, tub sarey hawa tumarey moun sey nikal raye hey.
Indeed countries around the globe acquire or share technology from others even China does and even without that we both know China has made great strides in it's in-house manufacturing capability but unlike the Indians, the Chinese don't start comparing or chest thumping like some of your frivolous weekend warriors....but as the saying goes, empty vessels make more noise.

Moron, Jab ye baat pata thi.. ko India Ko Bich me Kyu laya ?.. .. It Proves.. Vakayi.. Teri Hawa band hai... aur Dimag me Bhoosa bhara Hai..

It was YOU to state that a BIG Country like india.. needs to seek help from SMALL nation like Israel.
Now look , how desperately your YOU are DEFENDING YOUR MASTER CHINA ? and Moving away from the ( mornonic ) point you made.

Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,
and Russia.

wait for Russia to make UAV then you can make it indigenously

Burn Baby Burn...... lol

 

[Thunder.Storm]

Well what i mean was Nuclear Submarine whether Tech demonstrator or not is a big milestone everyone across world should reconize . Anyway it soon going to fire its K-Series of Missiles and then probably you will stop quoting with your useless copy paste .

The sub is in India now i cant make my own info about the sub i have to search it on net so i searched and quoted to you.
and arjun tank, lca is also a big milestone you are forgetting that.

 

[ni8mare]

Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,Russia, Russia,
and Russia.

wait for Russia to make UAV then you can make it indigenously

lets say according to pakistani logic russia helped in BMs , SLBM, Anti-ship missile nuclear subs

when did russia helped in SLCM, AAM, SAM, BDM, AESA rader, AWACS, Aircraft carrier, destroyers, frigates,corvettes, OPVs, MCIWS these product are made in house

for example
destroyers 7000 tonne at Mazagon Dock
frigates 7000 tonne at Mazagon Dock
corvettes 3500 tonne at garden reach
OPV 2400 tonne at pipvav, goa shipyard

as I said get happy on steel cutting of some random 500 tonne fishing patrol boat suits you

 

[silent poison]

The sub is in India now i cant make my own info about the sub i have to search it on net so i searched and quoted to you.
and arjun tank, lca is also a big milestone you are forgetting that.

Hmm interesting indeed about your comment on submarine and then you come up with LCA and Arjun tank being first attempt i dont think its anything to be sad on ... Both Arjun tank opens gateway to Future combat tank and LCA give us a Industry background to help with FGFA .

Rest make a two stroke engine and then you are free to troll .

 

[Thorough Pro]

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@Oscar @Irfan Baloch this guy just abused your mother...........land

we buy and you beg