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India’s first bullet train corridor may be world’s cheapest high-speed service

I think you do not have a complete understanding of Indian Railways. IR as a whole do not make a profit. There are opposition from parties to even try to make it work like a company. According to them, Railway is like a service to people.

In an IR, full AC trains are present, but very less. Lets say like some 20-25 trains in whole of India (including the luxurious ones).
Other trains contains, 2nd seating, sleeper class, 3rd AC, 2nd AC and 1st AC and even 2 unreserved coaches in every train. The second class seating for Chennai-Madurai (approximate 500 km) for non AC is just 16 RMB and Sleeper for the same is 23 RMB. For an 1st class AC it is 120 RMB something.

So the Bullet trains are targeted for those who can afford it. By 2023, when the time for the starting, air charges will have increased. I think the cost estimate of 2800 in 2023 is fair and reasonable .
A myth, a nice excuse for your hellish services and utilities, In Chinese NEWYEAR you will see the most spectacular human transition in the world, about 200million labour( some of doing drudgery-in general not wealthy) are using train HSR and plane to go back home, for those people that not rich, But CHINESE transportation systems high criteria proves every one keep warm( all lowest class train has AC) in their journey also in a affordable price, you never realize how weight the transportation need to handle when in chinese NEWYEAR transition, you are not competent to say IR is a people's service, remember, not competent.
 
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Lol you are cute
believe it or not.there would be many factors that lead to DELAY in India,especially in such a big project. you are Indian,you know how things works there.
 
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To all false flaggers, if they are western neighbours , I can understand their envy.

On the topic. Bullet trains are necessary. I don't know about others, but I have talked to many people about this(who can afford ) , they find the Railways more reliable than the Airlines.And building the HSR we will be integrating business centers thus increasing movement and growth of industries and business, it would be the worth of cost spent on building it.

On a member suggesting 250km/ hr trains instead of 300km/hr , presently a good number of Trains in India do over 110km/hr , and some 150km/hr . And recently there was talks of upgrading some sections to operate trains upto 180km/hr. Now yes it would be cost efficient method of introducing 250km/hr trains in short term than going for the bullets.

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Iss news se chiniyo ki jal gai hai.... frustration mein iss project ko apne HSR se compare kar rahe hain... enjoy this thread with a pinch of salt as we have more false flaggers posting here than the genuine members.
 
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@Echo_419 Let''s back to topic, shall we? I think you are very supportive of HSR, and I have read your comments in my HSR thread before.
Do you think 250km/h more feasible than 350km/h in India?
Pls read my post#40, prices of D train(200-250km/h) in China.

You are right let's not entertain trolls & I don't support HSR in India for the simple reason that we are to poor & cannot afford such high construction cost instead focus should me made on improving the existing services,semi high speed rail(200km/h),Freight ccorridors(1st of the many will corridors will become fully functional in 2017) & setting up dedicated R&D units(1st Indian rail university is being set up with Chinese help as we speak).we should aim to build such systems in the 2020s (mid)
 
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You seem to have consumed too much of dogs fried in Gutter oil. Take a rest eat something good. That shall help you to understand the topic and write something which may help you not to expose your idiocy.

Yhe problem with us is that we are not paying the attention to some basic thing. IIT Bombay provided a solution of high speed. They suggested a shape of train (Aerodynamic). They said that if you shape the train like this, It will become 40 KM faster and save 3.5 crore Rs of electricity. We are not paying the attention to that but we are running behind foreign technology.

Afterall what is there in high speed rail, More powerful engine and sophisticated rail. If provided some amount in R & D , we can easily get this high speed train.
 
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believe it or not.there would be many factors that lead to DELAY in India,especially in such a big project. you are Indian,you know how things works there.

Yes i know India better than a foreigner
 
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Don't you get bored with harping this rhetoric in all the threads? I don't think you have life beyond obsessing over India. Get a girlfriend buddy or a gay friend as per your preference.
@RisingShiningSuperpower is a troll. But...

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I think he's both!
 
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I don't support HSR in India for the simple reason that we are to poor & cannot afford such high construction cost
India is a 2 trillion economy, China started to build first 250km/h railway(Qinhuangdao-Shenyang) in 1999 and finished in 2002.

focus should me made on improving the existing services,semi high speed rail(200km/h),
If an old railway is upgraded to 200km/h, according to World Bank definition, it can be called HSR.
Btw, to achieve 200km/h as maximum speed very easy, but make a whole railway upgraded to 200km/h, even pricer than building a new one. You have to upgrade railway crossing to flyover, enlarge the distance between 2 tracks, more tunnels and bridges, etc. In China, after 6 rounds of speed-up campaign from 1997-2007, the highest speed of old railway was upgraded from 120km/h, 140km/h, 160km/h, to 200-250km/h, cost too much money!
@Bussard Ramjet your opinion?

Let's refer to World Bank's analysis on a 200-250 km/h railway in China
A Look at the Impact of China's GuiGuang and NanGuang Rail Lines
Passengers of recently opened Wuzhou-Nanning rail line describe new opportunities | Transport for Development
World Bank Sr. Infrastructure Specialist Gerald Ollivier interacts with passengers on the new Wuzhou-Nanning rail line
  • We met two farmers with their two young kids. They had been visiting their relatives for the second time using this train, travelling from Liuzhou to Zhaoqing in Guangdong. They used to meet their family, but infrequently as the bus trips were unpleasant, very long (about 8 hours from Liuzhou to Wuzhou), and dangerous particularly at night, considering the winding roads in Guangxi. They described this new line as a chance to meet their family more frequently, especially after the whole line opens, and to do so safely at a cost a bit lower than the bus (slightly below 0.05US$ per km).
  • Two middle-aged migrant workers, a man and a woman, travelling to their next job 200 km away. There, they will do some house decoration for a while, before moving to their next job. They felt the train made their access to job opportunities easier and more convenient, compared to having to take the bus. They felt the fares were reasonable.
  • A couple in their mid-30s, travelling to Guilin. The lady worked for a hospital and was a frequent business traveler. It took her four hours driving to reach her destination in Nanning before, a number that had been halved at this point. It meant for her that short and frequent trips to Nanning were now possible. She recommended increasing the number of trains each day to allow for regular day trips, as three was too little. (The number of trains is expected to grow when the full line opens.)
  • A retired man travelling from Guiping to Guilin. He owned a home in both places, and was taking this line for the first time. He used to travel by long-distance buses, sometimes with a transfer. He thought the train was more comfortable and shorter, although more expensive than the bus he used before (US$19 compared to US$12), as the train entails a transfer and the bus route is more direct for that trip.
  • In the first class cabin, we met a businessman working for a listed pharmaceutical company in Guangdong. He was already using the train more than 7 times a month. His business turnover had grown by 15 percent since the train opened, an achievement he attributed to his ability to meet more clients with the railways. He was eager to get a better connection to Guangzhou as well, since this is where the research lab for his company is located. The fare of a little over 0.06 US$ per km in first class was very reasonable in his view, as he would drive otherwise. The train ride was less tiring.
  • A couple of young fashionable ladies, involved in sales, riding the train for the first time to attend a conference in a city 150 km away. They were glad to be able to travel in comfort at a reasonable price rather than taking a bus. Of course they did take a few snapshots with the Laowai (“foreigner”) who interviewed them…
  • Last, a couple of people, well in their senior years at 73 and 81. For them, it was the joy of taking a travel to Guilin for tourism and to do so in a way that was still comfortable enough for them to enjoy. They felt that the bus, while available, was not comfortable enough at their age. They were excited to take their first ride in a fast train.

Freight ccorridors(1st of the many will corridors will become fully functional in 2017)
Freight corridor=freight-dedicated railway? Like heavy haul railway?
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India is a 2 trillion economy, China started to build first 250km/h railway(Qinhuangdao-Shenyang) in 1999 and finished in 2002.


If an old railway is upgraded to 200km/h, according to World Bank definition, it can be called HSR.
Btw, to achieve 200km/h as maximum speed very easy, but make a whole railway upgraded to 200km/h, even pricer than building a new one. You have to upgrade railway crossing to flyover, enlarge the distance between 2 tracks, more tunnels and bridges, etc. In China, after 6 rounds of speed-up campaign from 1997-2007, the highest speed of old railway was upgraded from 120km/h, 140km/h, 160km/h, to 200-250km/h, cost too much money!
@Bussard Ramjet your opinion?

Let's refer to World Bank's analysis on a 200-250 km/h railway in China
A Look at the Impact of China's GuiGuang and NanGuang Rail Lines
Passengers of recently opened Wuzhou-Nanning rail line describe new opportunities | Transport for Development
World Bank Sr. Infrastructure Specialist Gerald Ollivier interacts with passengers on the new Wuzhou-Nanning rail line
  • We met two farmers with their two young kids. They had been visiting their relatives for the second time using this train, travelling from Liuzhou to Zhaoqing in Guangdong. They used to meet their family, but infrequently as the bus trips were unpleasant, very long (about 8 hours from Liuzhou to Wuzhou), and dangerous particularly at night, considering the winding roads in Guangxi. They described this new line as a chance to meet their family more frequently, especially after the whole line opens, and to do so safely at a cost a bit lower than the bus (slightly below 0.05US$ per km).
  • Two middle-aged migrant workers, a man and a woman, travelling to their next job 200 km away. There, they will do some house decoration for a while, before moving to their next job. They felt the train made their access to job opportunities easier and more convenient, compared to having to take the bus. They felt the fares were reasonable.
  • A couple in their mid-30s, travelling to Guilin. The lady worked for a hospital and was a frequent business traveler. It took her four hours driving to reach her destination in Nanning before, a number that had been halved at this point. It meant for her that short and frequent trips to Nanning were now possible. She recommended increasing the number of trains each day to allow for regular day trips, as three was too little. (The number of trains is expected to grow when the full line opens.)
  • A retired man travelling from Guiping to Guilin. He owned a home in both places, and was taking this line for the first time. He used to travel by long-distance buses, sometimes with a transfer. He thought the train was more comfortable and shorter, although more expensive than the bus he used before (US$19 compared to US$12), as the train entails a transfer and the bus route is more direct for that trip.
  • In the first class cabin, we met a businessman working for a listed pharmaceutical company in Guangdong. He was already using the train more than 7 times a month. His business turnover had grown by 15 percent since the train opened, an achievement he attributed to his ability to meet more clients with the railways. He was eager to get a better connection to Guangzhou as well, since this is where the research lab for his company is located. The fare of a little over 0.06 US$ per km in first class was very reasonable in his view, as he would drive otherwise. The train ride was less tiring.
  • A couple of young fashionable ladies, involved in sales, riding the train for the first time to attend a conference in a city 150 km away. They were glad to be able to travel in comfort at a reasonable price rather than taking a bus. Of course they did take a few snapshots with the Laowai (“foreigner”) who interviewed them…
  • Last, a couple of people, well in their senior years at 73 and 81. For them, it was the joy of taking a travel to Guilin for tourism and to do so in a way that was still comfortable enough for them to enjoy. They felt that the bus, while available, was not comfortable enough at their age. They were excited to take their first ride in a fast train.


Freight corridor=freight-dedicated railway? Like heavy haul railway?
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No idea dude, but India must indeed first upgrade the available Railways in my opinion, simply because you have no idea how messed up the current system is.

There should be parallel development of HSR in the next decade for main routes, which are viable, like Delhi-Mumbai, Mumbai-Pune, Mumbai-Ahmedabad, Hyderabad-Bangalore etc.

And than the normal railways should be made decent. Today most of the trains run an average of 80-90 kmph. Only very few trains are able to cross 100 kmph average speed. There is too much congestion etc.

So first all these trains must be upgraded to at least 150kmph on existing track. Than parallel track can be laid for viable high paying routes like I mentioned.


As far as I know, India doesn't have many dedicated freight lines. There are dedicated freight trains, but they run on normal track.
 
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