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Indians have smaller brains, reveals study

not poor but moderate correlation of 0.3 and 0.4 between intelligence and brain size

Other studies show much lower, less than 10%.

One can simply look at the states of Tamil Nadu + Kerala and compare it to your bhaiyya expanse of UP and Bihar...and see if the correlation with "brain size" (on the colour code stronk map you posted) means anything significant on the ground. Ask people that have been to both....just ask them.

Then you can query the Vietnamese members here about the application of that to Vietnam...given the stronk colour divide in their country according to your map again. (especially funny given the dissonance with the Lynn study claimed IQ of Vietnamese)

Then query the South East Asian people in general too for their perspective. Why not do all that first?

Now the immigrant groups to Western countries are irrelavant because they are a self selected cognitive elite.

According to? Anyone done an actual breakdown of it? For sake of argument, why would it suddenly not apply to other regional groups in south asia either? given the bumps they clearly and visibly dont seem to receive?

NOTHING beats direct sampling of scale. Something Lynn and all the low-intellect people falling for his clickbait (without actually checking the sampling methodology + faulty extrapolation analysis based on complete NON-intelligence related parameters) don't ever seem to understand (given 99% of people here in this forum HATE to read at any depth, preferring blind emotional driven belief)....forget doing a cursory search of criticism of the study at large (i.e actually forming a cohesive strategy and perspective first...rather than blindly submitting to their 5HT tendencies).

If you want to form a study and analysis of some variable, pro-tip: measure it DIRECTLY (i.e sample well and at proper scale). Inferring it from weak shitty BS means you don't get science at all.

find they overwhelmingly support the fact that there is moderate positive correlation between brain size and intelligence

Again your selective quote, not the larger scientific consensus (even strictly going by the data given the body of studies show much much lower)

.I already explained small brains working at higher RPMs can have more intelligence than bigger brains running cooler..Jews are the prime example.But for that they pay the price with neurological disorders like Tay Sachs...Just like a high reving engine wears out faster than a large lazily revving engine

No one cares. You are not a neurological scientist.
 
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this really explains a lot.
I often wonder how a people can be so begaraty that even when you do something nice for them, they curse you out.

Low IQ and Low brain size..... I mean we always knew, but now we have the science behind it.
 
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indians had small hearts we all knew that and then they have smaller di**s and now study revealed that they have smaller brains as well:rofl:

seems like the study is conducted after Feb 27:D
 
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Other studies show much lower, less than 10%.

One can simply look at the states of Tamil Nadu + Kerala and compare it to your bhaiyya expanse of UP and Bihar...and see if the correlation with "brain size" (on the colour code stronk map you posted) means anything significant on the ground. Ask people that have been to both....just ask them.

Then you can query the Vietnamese members here about the application of that to Vietnam...given the stronk colour divide in their country according to your map again. (especially funny given the dissonance with the Lynn study claimed IQ of Vietnamese)

Then query the South East Asian people in general too for their perspective. Why not do all that first?



According to? Anyone done an actual breakdown of it? For sake of argument, why would it suddenly not apply to other regional groups in south asia either? given the bumps they clearly and visibly dont seem to receive?

NOTHING beats direct sampling of scale. Something Lynn and all the low-intellect people falling for his clickbait (without actually checking the sampling methodology + faulty extrapolation analysis based on complete NON-intelligence related parameters) don't ever seem to understand (given 99% of people here in this forum HATE to read at any depth, preferring blind emotional driven belief)....forget doing a cursory search of criticism of the study at large (i.e actually forming a cohesive strategy and perspective first...rather than blindly submitting to their 5HT tendencies).

If you want to form a study and analysis of some variable, pro-tip: measure it DIRECTLY (i.e sample well and at proper scale). Inferring it from weak shitty BS means you don't get science at all.



Again your selective quote, not the larger scientific consensus (even strictly going by the data given the body of studies show much much lower)



No one cares. You are not a neurological scientist.



South India runs on steroids for one and one group only---Brahmins...In Tamil Nadu 98 percent of the population needs 70 percent reservation just to compete against 2 percent Brahmins....14 out of the 17 chief scientists in India's original nuclear tests were Tamil Brahmins...Anyways I have said what is needed to be said and one with this thread
 
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indians had small hearts we all knew that and then they have smaller di**s and now study revealed that they have smaller brains as well:rofl:

seems like the study is conducted after Feb 27:D


If not for smaller brains Indian subcontinent would not have ruled by Muslims invaders and rulers for 700-800 years and by another group of invaders the British Raj for 200 years, Indians are/were servile and docile, divisive and stingy, miser, signs of small brains.

And yes people with small brains thinks and behaves as though they are smart and are superior to others, this is like people stricken with inferiority complex will appear to be superior.

The reason sage and pragmatic people appears humble and down to earth, haven't see a single Indian. All Indians have big bloated egos(a sign of small brains).

In Tamil Nadu 98 percent of the population needs 70 percent reservation just to compete against 2 percent Brahmins....14 out of the 17 chief scientists in India's original nuclear tests were Tamil Brahmins...Anyways I have said what is needed to be said and one with this thread

Reservations for lower caste in India is an anomaly, the reason you see no level playing field there, nothing positive about positive discrimination, and it is like ending one anomaly(caste divide) with another anomaly(caste based reservations).
 
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South India runs on steroids for one and one group only---Brahmins...In Tamil Nadu 98 percent of the population needs 70 percent reservation just to compete against 2 percent Brahmins....14 out of the 17 chief scientists in India's original nuclear tests were Tamil Brahmins...Anyways I have said what is needed to be said and one with this thread
And we all know how these Tamil Brahmins runs DRDO, HAL and other insitutues, not surprised when we hear about 40 years old fighter jet program and Arjunk tanks. :lol:

Anna rascalla mind it..... :rofl:
 
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And we all know how these Tamil Brahmins runs DRDO, HAL and other insitutues, not surprised when we hear about 40 years old fighter jet program and Arjunk tanks. :lol:

Anna rascalla mind it..... :rofl:


They delivered just enough for 1971 ...ours is a deterrence force...and for that the talent we have is up for the job

If not for smaller brains Indian subcontinent would not have ruled by Muslims invaders and rulers for 700-800 years and by another group of invaders the British Raj for 200 years, Indians are/were servile and docile, divisive and stingy, miser, signs of small brains.

And yes people with small brains thinks and behaves as though they are smart and are superior to others, this is like people stricken with inferiority complex will appear to be superior.

The reason sage and pragmatic people appears humble and down to earth, haven't see a single Indian. All Indians have big bloated egos(a sign of small brains).



Reservations for lower caste in India is an anomaly, the reason you see no level playing field there, nothing positive about positive discrimination, and it is like ending one anomaly(caste divide) with another anomaly(caste based reservations).


India's hit rate against the Central Asian invaders were negative till Vijaynagara,Maratha and Sikh empires because of lack of one commodity more than anything.....abundant number of horses and good quality grazing field...we only had the band of grass lands from Haryana,Rjasthan and Gujarat to support horses...eventhough the horses were good..The enemy cavalry were almost all the times an order of magnitude higher...It took around 500 years for Indians to come up with the solution, but once they did there were no stopping back..The solution was guerilla warfare with sturdy crossbreeds...The hit rate with central Asian invaders started turning a little with the Marathas and completely with the Sikhs.....when Horses gave away to pick up trucks,lorries,light tanks and armoured personnel carriers, these same same Sikh and Maratha regiments won against Central Asian Pashtun invaders in 1947-48


The hit rate of Indians against the Central Asian Invaders has been very good between 500BC to around 150 BC....So so between 150 BC and 200 AD...Between 200 AD and 1000 AD very glorious.....Between 1000 AD to around 1700 AD again disastrous...between 1700 AD and 2019 AD again glorious.....


regarding the British...European ascendancy in Industrialization,Science,Tech,Enlightenment was a Black Swan event in History comparable to the rise of Horse stirrups and mounted archery around 400 AD...No race, no religion in the world had any answer for that except for one: The Japanese...and they did it in exactly 52 years..(from Col Percy's Gunboat diplomacy to Jap victory in the Russo-Jap war)...I am afraid regarding European colonization both HIndus and Muslims ,South Asians and Central Asians are in the same boat...Even Afghanistan was hapless in the early 20th century war when Brits used Air Force against them at will.....Now have either India or Pakistan reached First World status within 52 years of their independence? Nope...So there is really no point in flexing at each other

Other studies show much lower, less than 10%.


Then you can query the Vietnamese members here about the application of that to Vietnam...given the stronk colour divide in their country according to your map again. (especially funny given the dissonance with the Lynn study claimed IQ of Vietnamese)

Then query the South East Asian people in general too for their perspective. Why not do all that first?



According to? Anyone done an actual breakdown of it? For sake of argument, why would it suddenly not apply to other regional groups in south asia either? given the bumps they clearly and visibly dont seem to receive?

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North Vietnam showed its intelligence superiority by defeating South Vietnam in the Vietnam War....Something south Vietnam could not do even with a decade of absolute support from the world's greatest superpower
 
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@Juggernaut_is_here my friend,

What is intelligence?

In which context it is relevant?

Given the overall techo-social thrust of global benchmarks, how does it affect the relevat society?

What is the per capita techo-social gap of the benchmark state and the society in question?

Great input/thesis from your end... thanks for such contributions!

Mangus

P.S. When discussing historical perspectives... you might find valuable to add overall nuteritional conditions and disease plus weather condtions, resulting yields of crops etc... to help form a proper picture... just a thought... you can do what you like!

Thank you for your kind words


For me Intelligence has a very simple definition:

The ability of an individual or a group to turnaround any given situation for one's own advantage. By Advantage I mean continued survival and continued sexual fitness. For that different groups may employ different strategies. For South Asians that strategy changed from expeditionary forces in Mauryan times to pitched Battles in Gupta times to guerilla warfare in Maratha Sikh times vis-a-vis Central Asian horselords. (horse warfare really came on to its own in greater Eurasia-N.Africa after around 3-400 AD and remained on top till 1760 AD or 1881 AD. With the peak coming in the middle of this time segment)......I would include Potohar Plateau as part of Central Asia just as the Pannonian plains of Hungary are considered part of the Eurasian Steppes even though it is disconnected from the larger body..I consider everything east of Chenab and the border of the Thar desert as South Asia/subcontinent...Just as the Pannonian steppes were used as a staging post by Attila for the invasion of Europe, same way Potohar plateau and its grasslands were used as a staging post by the White Huns for invasion of India (which was repelled back in 515 AD)


Yes nutritional conditions,disease have to be taken into account and might give us a better more granulated view of history..But lately I have also understood that there is also a huge spiritual aspect of history..That major historical events happen along some grooves of destiny to some extent (not set in stone or multiple possibilities like railway junctions)...So critical events in History may be brought forward or back or lengthened and shortened,but cannot be completely done away with. If South Asian royalty had shown supreme intelligence,they would have held out against Central Asian horselords till the 16th century...But Mughal Empire would have happened anyway, but as a corollary nothing then could have stopped the rise of Marathas and the SIkhs. Similarly if South Asian royalty had shown supreme intelligence, at least half of the subcontinent would have held out against the Europeans till mid-20th century, with occupation lasting at max a couple of years like in the case of Persia in the second world war...or alternatively a quarter of the subcontinent would have held out fiercely like Turkey did after the fall of the Ottomans and after the victory in Gallipolli ....Similiarly, Islam was inevitable because of the pent-up heavenly ambitions of the Arab race.....That why the Japanese succeeded while other races failed in going toe-to-toe with the whites has a spiritual answer that might be outside of the scope of this forum
 
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Dood different races have different brain volumes..Eskimos have the highest..Whites are at no 2 or no 3 spot..Indians will be low because

1) Indians are short..
reasons being

2) rampant vegetarianism,

3) tropical diseases(if you ever came down with a viral fever before adolescence,Boom there goes a fraction of a point of your intelligence),

4) parasitic load,

5) high allostatic load,

6) lack of iodized salt..

7) lack of hygiene

..But I am sure Pakistanis are within touching distance of India..Given Pakistanis are only 2 points and not even one inch taller than Indians on average

Here you go...Plenty of Indians and Pakistanis have same average brain size

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Dood different races have different brain volumes..Eskimos have the highest..Whites are at no 2 or no 3 spot..Indians will be low because

1) Indians are short..
reasons being

2) rampant vegetarianism,

3) tropical diseases(if you ever came down with a viral fever before adolescence,Boom there goes a fraction of a point of your intelligence),

4) parasitic load,

5) high allostatic load,

6) lack of iodized salt..

7) lack of hygiene

..But I am sure Pakistanis are within touching distance of India..Given Pakistanis are only 2 points and not even one inch taller than Indians on average

Here you go...Plenty of Indians and Pakistanis have same average brain size

Brain_Size_Map.png
Can't you read graphical maps. Draw the borders of indo-Pak and see the difference.
I think the report above is true.:-)
 
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Allow me to thankyou for quality post! More importantly for putting effort in creating a different perspective?

What is Meta-Material dives into Material and then desolves into Sub-Material and then....

Momentum of History
never stops. Or does it?....

However, we need to have a clear understanding of Spirituality before we attempt to add this Factor into OurModelling of the tangible... so what is it?

A maker (to foster better understanding) Afghans in the FirstAfghanWar and now in the SecondAfghanWar didn't have any airforce... kindly, do calculate the diparity between the agressor and defender ... helps to model things... in the second AfghanWar... the disparity was/is ... well... you know it too well.

Since, quantumdynamics is 'spiritual' in its nature, is it possible that socialogy/political sciene might be the same?

To interlink the above... would you agree that for understanding the present AsianDynamcis... it is valid to benchmark China with India.. from independence onwards... as both became modern nation states after that...? Both equal sized, populations and ancient.... yours have a head start as modern state and performing in GDP much better till the 80s.
Then why .... it is now what it is?

Indeed, intelligence is relevant into the context it comes into play... of course, it qoutient determines the 'survival' in that context... upward tick of it results in 'thriving'... for the rest for living... the automatism of function doesn't require intelligence... body has its own programming as you know very well. However, endocrine system... its make up... plays a critical role.... how?

In the pervailing techno-social benchmarks how do you see your country?

Momentum of History?

Spirituality? What is it?



I tackle your questions one by one:

Spirituality: Broadly it would be a acknowledgement that scientific materialism and/or daily mundane existence doesnot provide the individual soul the will to survive and continue his existence. Specifically it would be the acknowledgement of the fundamental,irreducible nature of Consciousness and the absolute magic like quality of living,breathing conscious Experience. Inevitably this acknowledgment would certainly lead a soul to some sort of Higher Insight or even may be a Higher Source.

Air Force is an outgrowth of Industry which in turn is an outgrowth of Technology which in turn is an outgrowth of Science which in turn is an outgrowth of the Scientific Revolution which in turn is really the spiritual outburst of one man--->Sir Isaac Newton

Time and again people from the non-european world cannot fathom how utterly changing and how utterly devastating the Scientific Revolution was. How the begnnings of it were completely unfathomable to the best brains of 17th-18th century Islamic world, India and China.Today's modern revisionists insist on comparing Indian mathematics and initial Islamic scientific inquiry to the full blown European scientific revolution in order to assuage hurt egos...That would be like saying that a glass container holds water and the Three Gorges Dam also holds water...but the scale makes all the difference



For me regarding setting a benchmark in Asia, it has to be Japan. Why? Briefly there is something called too little spirituality and something called too much spirituality. Both would lead to inevitable collapse. When you pursue too much spirtuality and donot take care whether your spirituality is producing real world tangible results, you inevitably die. China and Easter Island were victims of too much spirituality. During Boxer Rebellion, disgruntled Chinese spirtual masters thought that their special life force "chi" would make them impervious to Western technological weapons. The results were disastrous. I suspect this "too much spirituality" strain always ran through the Chinese vein in history and engendered their numerous losses to the nomadic horselords to the north.Easter Island collapsed because the tribal chiefs continued to cut down trees in order to erect statues even though wood supply were running out for the construction of boats..and once boat construction stopped, the famed polynesian orally transmitted navigational skills were also lost

Contrarily,too little spirituality renders life meaningless and people start internally shattering and collapsing once faced with adversity. See the collapse of Soviet Union,The Great Leap Forward,the ongoing culture wars in the West etc...even in case of aesthetics compare the great architecture made by a relatively more religious Russian Empire to the drab buildings turned out by USSR..For aesthetics,beauty,heroism,sacrifice,greatness,immortality you need spirituality..

The Golden Mean would be something that was pursued by Middle Age Europe and Samurai Era Japan (12th to 19th century). Engage with the rational material world but still accept the Greater Spiritual Mysteries/Forces in the background. It is this life affirming engagement with Reality along with sexual continence that helped Newton,Leibniz,Kantor,Kant,Tesla and many many others to achieve immortality



India is where it is because it never had a tryst with the Science,Rationality...No just education till PhD level is not enough..There has to be a fundamental paradigm shift in the understanding of the world...This would mean chucking out a huge part of the past and accepting they were wrong..chucking out proliferation of pseudo science and proliferation of pseudo history..claiming that an entire lost civilization has been found beneath the sea on the basis of one piece of wood that has been dated 7000 BC...But then neither the Islamic world nor the Chinese are better in these..Splitting of the moon, to the Chinese state hounding one MMA fighter because he debunked ancient Chinese Martial Arts and the much vaunted spiritual energy of "chi".....But still for all its ills I expect India to achieve 10,000 euros GDP per capita or present Brazil levels somewhere before 2040-2050


But all that is really irrelevant as I expect somwhere between 2060 and 2090 (no later than 2100) this interlocked system of nation states to collapse in a quite catastrophic way...Human population then collapsing gradually to a few billion..Something much worse than the European Dark Ages from 476 AD to 1492 AD...Think more akin to Bronze Age Collapse or to behavioural sink experiments of the Rat Colonies...I expect my grand children and great grand children to completely live in War lord times...more akin to Chad,Somalia and Afghanistan rather than any semblance of a functional state...and This is regardless of which place in the world they find themselves in



As far as endocrine system goes, the male and female sex hormones play as much a role in shaping human destiny as Intelligence.


Republic of India's maximum potential is to be a middle income country with some great cities ...The Republic of India would stop growing or the world would have already started collapsing by the time Republic of India has achieved five times its current GDP
 
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If not for smaller brains Indian subcontinent would not have ruled by Muslims invaders and rulers for 700-800 years and by another group of invaders the British Raj for 200 years, Indians are/were servile and docile, divisive and stingy, miser, signs of small brains.
Small brains belong to all groups of people in the sub-continent on average, east or west of the border drawn in 1947. The way you are cursing Indians as if a special brain was added to you just after the 1947 partition of India. With the so-called smaller brain India has sent several space missions and with a larger brain, your Science Minister was jumping with joy at Indian failure at a time when he himself is unable to send a self-made mortar to the sky.
 
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Small brains belong to all groups of people in the sub-continent on average, east or west of the border drawn in 1947. The way you are cursing Indians as if a special brain was added to you just after the 1947 partition of India. With the so-called smaller brain India has sent several space missions and with a larger brain, your Science Minister was jumping with joy at Indian failure at a time when he himself is unable to send a self-made mortar to the sky.

How did that mission go?
Their greatest claim to fame is that they can do the work for cheap.... well when you pay peanuts you get monkeys.


And you have to admit that we are at least smart enough to be the only South Asian country not capitulating to India.
No other South Asian nation can give the middle finger to India like we can.
 
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